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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

My first car is a 78 Pinto

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78_starsky

Good deal  :)  i wasn't trying to beat you up,  i was just asking to caution you and your project is all.   you will learn lots  ;)    i guess i didn't fully understand the complete tear down and then rebuild part.   I was just thinking back to all the expense and time we have put into our build, then seeing your pics and your car looks in real nice shape (except the seats), this i guess is why i tossed out the caution.

cheers

Clydesdale80

I'm taking all the trim off because the car needs body work and reprinted. It doesn't really show in the pictures but the car has alot of scratches and dings, the paint has also been touched up with atleast 3 different shades of green. I'm removing the interior because all the seats were shredded and there have been mice living in the all the cars insulation. Once I took the carpet out I found that the floor has rusted through in several places. The trim I'm taking off already had dents that I plan to straighten while it's off. I'm asking specifically about the quarter window trim because I need to remove it to remove the window and I need to remove the window to replace the headliner(which has rotted seams that are falling apart). I'm planning on doing as much of this project as I can myself. The project is going to take a long time because it is a tear down and rebuild. I'm just trying to make a car I'll like to drive and learn as much as I can in the process.
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

78_starsky

 No idea how you remove trim, except that I am guessing you have to unclip it from the clips that are on the body.  but it has to to be asked... why? what is your final plan and what is your road map to get there? ripping everything out is easy, putting it all back is challenging and can become very expensive if you have to farm out the work.  You might want to start budgeting what you can do yourself and what you need to pay to get fixed.  just giving words of caution.   (from the pics you started with all the chrome on the body looks great)  why would you want to chance taking it off and getting all bent out of shape). 

cheers

Clydesdale80

sounds easy enough, how do i get the chrome trim off so i can do that?
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

Pinto5.0

By pushing the inside of the quarter windows with 1 hand as you flip up the rubber seal lip with your fingers of your other hand the windows should come right out. I can get them out in 2 minutes with no damage.
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Clydesdale80

full steam ahead is right, i feel like ive gotten alot done in the last few days. i've got the car almost emptied out. I still need to remove all the brake stuff, the headliner, the hatch and the headlights and bezels. It's gonna take me a while to finish this project but I'm still moving forward.




does anybody know how to remove the chrome trim around the quarter windows?
is it possible to remove the headliner and replace it without removing the quarter windows? if not, how do i remove the windows without damaging the gasket and glass?
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

78_starsky

seeing what you are doing has put me back to a time about 2&half years back.  full steam ahead...  same style car minus the 2.8.  Have fun, learn lots  and keep us informed.  (pics)

cheers

Clydesdale80

I have already accepted that the car is going to take longer than I had originally expected but to make this car into what I want it needs taken all the way apart and rebuilt. I would rather take the time to do it right than rush and be unhappy with the results. I have been using ziplock bags and masking tape to keep everything together and labeled. My dad is only allowing me to use one stall of the garage to hold my car and all my parts so I doubt I'll lose anything. The project is moving along faster than ever and I hope to have it painted by the end of summer.
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

78_starsky

i could be wrong but I think that those side body strips are just glued on with a small clip or 2 in a place.    one word of caution, be careful how much you are pulling apart on the car. time has a funny way of sneaking up on you and your project might turn out to not be ready for a school driver.  one other word of advice,  zip bag and write everything down what is in the bags. time plays with memory.  my project is over 2 years ago now and it is in the final body stages with many parts misplaced from a major move.

cheers

Clydesdale80

started gutting the interior today, got everything but the dash, carpet, and headliner out. then i'll move on to the outside. can anybody tell me how to remove the chrome side strip?
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

Clydesdale80

alot has happened since the last time i was on here.  I went to pick up the ranger engine and 5-speed and my uncle said it ran great 15 years ago when he took it out of a rusted out truck but it probly needs new gaskets and seals. got it home, put it on the engine stand and went to start taking things apart when i noticed that the valve cover sticker was still intact. i was curious how similiar it was to mine so i started reading. first i notice it says that it was for an automatic transmission... but the 5-speed came from the same truck hmmm... I keep reading and i notice that the bottom of the sticker says something about meeting the regulations for a new 1978 model, apperently this was not originally a ranger engine.  sure enough i take off the valve cover and find a flat tappet cam but that wasn't even the biggest disappointment. the entire cam and all its bearings were coated in thick red corrosion (I may or may not have swore and/or kicked something). Being hopeful that the rest of the engine might be good, i drained the oil. the first thing to come out the plug was about 2 tablespoons of bright green antifreeze  ??? followed by several globs of sludge.  dropped the oilpan and from underneath everything looked good. took off the head next to check the cylinders and found the #2 cylinder completely coated in rust except for a 1/2 in gap above the piston(my uncle said he had gotten the crank to turn a little). I'm considering this engine basically junk.
Atleast the 5-speed looks promising, its almost exactly the same length as my 4-speed that i took out of my car. the brackets are close enough to be able to adapt and the shift is only a few inches forward. I will have to figure out how to make it's hydraulic clutch work with my cable pedal but i think i can engineer something.
i took the engine from my car apart today to see how much damage was done my the cam grinding itself off. The oil was black(probly from the seafoam) but didnt have any noticable metal flakes in it. I dropped the pan and found the same thing, no metal shavings.  the engine looked good from underneath.  i took the head off and all four cylinders looked great,no scoring at all and 90% of the cross-hatching is still visible.(no wonder it showed 180psi of compression in each cylinder cold).
I'd say this engine might have some more life left in it if i can work out my cam issues.
I went over to the workbench to look at the head, i turned the cam and all the valves were moving so that wasnt what took out the lobes. then i watched the hydraulic lifters as i turned the cam and found a stuck lifter for every worn lobe.  I think I'll see if i can find a roller cam and a set of lifters, clean my engine out, put it back together and see how it runs. I'm hoping it'll run even stronger once all four cylinders are getting air.


the engine from my pinto on the right and the "ranger" engine from my uncle
(you can kinda see the rust covering the cam shaft in this picture)


the original 4-speed from my pinto on top and the new ranger 5-speed below


its pretty much empty
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

arkyt

My '78 CW came stock with an 8-track, FM/AM.  Of course I took it out for a cassette.  My Dad kept in his shop, where I did the change, for years.  He gave back to me probably ten years later.  Of course, I threw it out maybe a year before I reentered the Pinto Nation. 
78 sedan
77 V8 cruizin wagon
73 MGB
09 Challenger RT

78_starsky

Hi,  No idea how deep your pockets are or not deep, however, with your cam you might be able to give it new life with a fresh grind.  Saving you some money (maybe).

check it out,   http://www.coltcams.com/html/camshaft/index.cfm   send them a email.  had my 2.8 shaft ground along with the lifters saving me some coin as to buying a HP cam.

cheers

bbobcat75

all i can say to that last photo is WOW!!
that is crazy, well time for a rebuild bigger, better and FASTER!!

good luck!!
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

Clydesdale80


Engine is ready to pull


the front cam lobes look pretty good


farther back they are showing some wear


the very far back lobes are worn down to about half their original height
(if you look at right edge of the lobe on the right you can see how tall the lobe used to be)
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

Clydesdale80

i have nothing left in the engine compartment but the block and all the mounts look fine. i'll post picks in a bit
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

Reeves1

Quotemy header actually touches the body/frame of my car. its right before the four pipes meet the collector, they make a bend and just barely touch the metal of the car. when the car is running and the engine vibrates it rattles against the metal and causes vibration in the whole car. I'm planning on just denting the metal there a little since its not visible but it seems weird to me that a header made for the car doesn't really fit.

Look your motor & trans mounts over well. Might be the problem.

Clydesdale80

I was just surprised that the cam took that much wear in 62k miles. this must be the reason they switched to rollers.  Since I think i can get the ranger engine for less than the cost of a new cam, i think im just gonna count on it to be the engine i put in the car and i'll keep my engine to build up as a replacement later.
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

Pinto5.0

My spare engine wiped out #4 lobes as well.
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'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
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r4pinto

Honestly I'm not suprised you need a cam. Almost all 2.3s ate up the cam. If they didn't it was prolly luck. I wouldn't read too much into it because the slider cam that was in this engine was known to wear out quickly.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
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Clydesdale80

i got a lot done today but definitely not what i had planned.  I went out to the garage to take my valve cover off and replace the valve seals but when i got the cover off, i found something unexpected.  The cam lobes for the #3 cylinder were scored and worn and the #4 cylinder lobes were worn so far that their lift had been significantly decreased.  I don't know if this happened while i was running it to set the timing and tune the carb or if it was this way when i bought if.  My best guess would be clogged oil holes causing insufficient lubrication of the back half of the cam but idk.  nomatter what caused it, i now have a completely shot cam, rocker arms and lifters, not to mention metal shavings floating around in my oil causeing all kinds of havoc. I'm considering this engine in need of a complete teardown.

Luckily my great uncle has the drivetrain for an early 80's ranger.  The engine was rebuilt 30,000 miles before if was taken out of the truck and has been in a well kept, weather proof machine shed quite a few years. The transmission is a TK5 with nearly identical gearing to my four speed but with the addition of overdrive. I know other people have made the swap to TK5 so I'm gonna buy both it and the engine.

Since i would like to have this car rustproof and drivable by the time I go back to college(late august), I decided that i cant keep messing with engines and waiting for parts right now. I need to start working on the bodywork and repainting. I know it sounds weird that i need to stop working on the engine to make it drivable but my original plan was to make sure that everything mechanical worked then gut the car to do bodywork and repaint.  But i have spent two months playing with the engine and waiting for parts and other than learning alot about my engine, i havent really accomplished much. Since I also refuse to drive this car regularly until it has been painted and undercoated I decided i will start working in that direction and figure out the engine details later. Hopefully the ranger engine is go to go and i can keep my engine to build up as a spare or replacement.

Since I decided to work towards bodywork and painting, i started emptying the engine compartment. I got quite a bit done for that not being the plan for today. I've labeled and disconnected every wire under the hood. the entire wiring harness is hanging over my fender right now. I removed the battery, radiator and shroud, horn, choke cable, all vacum lines, and all coolant hoses.  I found a surprisingly large number of wires going nowhere, I'm assuming they were part of the a/c and emissions stuff that was eliminated for racing. I'm gonna finish pulling everything i can from under the hood on saturday and hopefully find a cherry picker to pull the engine before the weekend is over. then i'll drop the transmission and start on gutting the interior.

a couple quick questions to finish of with:

What do you guys think caused the cam to grind the back four lobes(the front four were shiny and smooth, good as new)?

Are there any major differences between the 78 pinto engine and the early 80's(I think 83) ranger engine and how will these affect installing it?

Thanks for any help guys and i dont think i said this before but my name is Dan
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

78squirewagon

Quote from: Back in Blue on June 25, 2012, 12:56:41 PM
Hey That's a factory am/fm 8 track in there!  8) Cool. 
Looks like an aftermarket to me. From my understanding the Pinto never came with am-fm-8-track unless you got it as a dealer option :)  Of course I had to replace a 200.oo CD player to put one in my wagon.
Didnt mean to hijack the thread. The car looks great and I know that you will enjoy it as well as being part of the Pinto family
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

mrlightrail

Best I can offer at this time is 40 plus shipping. Mine came with a AM radio,  but it died, and I want to put a 8 track in as a replacement, as I have about 50 tapes for it.

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Clydesdale80

I've had a few people comment on the radio already, what are the factory am/fm 's worth? I might keep it just cuz it is original but idk.  The gasket that got messed up the most was the exhaust manifold gasket, they can't really handle much kinking. It was folded in half so it had a thin spot and some torn edges so i didn't want to trust it. while im on the topic of exhaust, my header actually touches the body/frame of my car. its right before the four pipes meet the collector, they make a bend and just barely touch the metal of the car. when the car is running and the engine vibrates it rattles against the metal and causes vibration in the whole car. I'm planning on just denting the metal there a little since its not visible but it seems weird to me that a header made for the car doesn't really fit.
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

Pinto5.0

UPS has destroyed more than a few things I've bought & sold over the years. You would think gaskets would survive since they are flexible but leave it to them to destroy em.....
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

mrlightrail

If you want to sell that radio, Ill take it!

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Back in Blue

Hey That's a factory am/fm 8 track in there!  8) Cool. 
7 pintos and counting...

Clydesdale80

That's probly a good idea, I don't want to lose any information that might be useful later in my project.
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

dave1987

My haynes manual did the same thing, I just cut the binding and three hole punched the pages to put them in a binder.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Clydesdale80

Thanks guys, I really think I'm gonna like this car. The previous owner gave me the haynes manual when I bought the car, I've been flipping through it ever since just to see how everything works. I wish I knew where to get books fixed cuz pages are starting to try to fall out. Right now I'm just eager for my valve seals to show up. This is the second time I've ordered them, the first time the package got crushed and my gaskets got torn so I had to send it all back.(that was way too much time spent on the phone with jcwhitney and ups to decide who was gonna pay for my refund)
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.