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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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johnbigman2011

1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

cabecho

i think they will look grate. and i was just reading on them i think. they are 185 cfm.
i will call one of the guys that i get the carbs from and i will fine out. i have a speed shop im sure we will fine something.
Aerodynamics is for those who can't build engines

If ford pintos are not fast then why chevy's have to use there parts to make them fast?

johnbigman2011

Might have to look at that approch for sure. I never could find out what the CFM's were on the two carbs that came with it. Again, I think they would look good on the T.
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

cabecho

i seen them on the track there is a old guy that have them on. but i dont really know him. now if you give me a few days i can probably fine you something, or some where you can get the carbs. i order 3 holly 94 for a costumer not long ago and they look pretty close to what you are looking for im sure we can fine something that will cover what you need. unless you are looking for thous specific ones.
Aerodynamics is for those who can't build engines

If ford pintos are not fast then why chevy's have to use there parts to make them fast?

johnbigman2011

Thats the one! It would look good on my T. Just cant find no one to rebuild the carbs. Heck I even have the kickdown linkage for the auto trans. I looked hi and low for it and now all it is used for is decoration.

There's a write about about it in the magazine section, here on the home page.
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

cabecho

i think i know what your talking about. the two single barrel set up right?
Aerodynamics is for those who can't build engines

If ford pintos are not fast then why chevy's have to use there parts to make them fast?

johnbigman2011

Have you guys ever new of anyone running the Pony Ram set up on the 2.0 by chance?
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

Clydesdale80

I think it would be awesome to put a holley 6895 on it but mechanical secondaries would make it near impossible to avoid bog.  From what I've read, the vacuum secondaries is what makes a four barrel carb streetable on these small engines.  I am looking at sending my roller cam out to get a custom grind but it's still gonna be more torque oriented than high rpm.  I'm not sure that with my setup the engine will draw enough air to fully utilize the secondaries.  I have a big list of stuff to do before i worry about buying a new carb but It's something that i will probably end up playing with once the project is on the road.
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

cabecho

my have some work done in the end, i didnt fine it today i have a big mess since im moving the shop but as soon as i fine it i will take some pictures and the carb specs, i also have the flow chart for it after all the work i did to it. when i put it on the car and tuned it, it was a day and night difference, but nothing like the deuces side draft webers that i have now. a pain on the butt to tune but once you get them tune. it is sweet.
Aerodynamics is for those who can't build engines

If ford pintos are not fast then why chevy's have to use there parts to make them fast?

Clydesdale80

I was looking at 390cfm Holleys to put on that intake, either the 8007 or the older one with manual choke.  From what I read people that take the time to retune everything love the offy intake but people that expect it to be a bolt on actually lose horsepower.  I read on another site that some guy was planning to use a dremel tool to make the end of the divider tapered instead of a flat square end.  I would think that would eliminate some turbulence but the guy never posted results.
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

johnbigman2011

I'm going to be running that set up on my 2.0 powered 23 T- Bucket. I also have the pony ram set up, and decided to go with the offy with the 390 cfm holley.
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

cabecho

the four barrel Offenhauser. is a grate intake i had it polish. i dont know it out of the top of my head what carb i use in it but i still have the complete set up i will look it up tomorrow when i get to the shop and i will send it to you.
Aerodynamics is for those who can't build engines

If ford pintos are not fast then why chevy's have to use there parts to make them fast?

Clydesdale80

thanks I am really enjoying the project and hate having to leave it at home when i go to ISU.  Are you talking about the four barrel Offenhauser or the Edelbrock intake? I have been looking at carbs for the offenhauser on ebay but I've decided that since i already have a carb for the other intake I should wait and spend my money on more necessary things.
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

cabecho

it looks awesome, and is a awesome project congrats. it reminds me of me 10 years ago but i when in a completely opposite direction.
btw that intake is awesome. i have one of thous that i use to run on my ministock pinto and they work grate.
good luck.
Aerodynamics is for those who can't build engines

If ford pintos are not fast then why chevy's have to use there parts to make them fast?

Clydesdale80

brought home some metal and planning on patching the floor over thanksgiving break.
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

bbobcat75

1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

Clydesdale80

I think I made a pretty good find this last weekend.  I bought a pile of pinto stuff that a guy had sitting in his shed for the last 20 years.  I bought it for the slot rims but he wanted to get rid of the whole pile.  it turns out There was some pretty good stuff.


These are the rims i bought it for, I took some time and cleaned one of them(bottom left). Once they are all cleaned and polished I think they'll look alot better than my steel rims and hubcaps.


These are the center caps that were with the rims, i guess i'll be looking for a couple more pinto caps. does anybody need one mustang cap?


I'm gonna clean these up and post them in the classifieds in the next few weeks(they arent really the look im goin for). I'll know better once they are clean but it appears that two of the rims have the webbing painted black.


six brake rotors and two drums. If anybody wants to buy some of these let me know, otherwise I guess they might save me some money someday.

Underneath all the rusty rotors i found something a little more interesting

An offenhauser 4barrel dual port intake for the 2.3l  :o .


I've done some reading about this manifold and I think I'm probly gonna keep it. I'll plan on using my esslinger manifold and holley two barrel when i get the car together but keep this just incase I get bored ::) .
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

Clydesdale80

This last week has been fairly productive, my dad helped me build a cart to support whats left of the car.  Once it was off the ground I was able to unbolt just about everything left on the car. I left the bumper mounts on because my dad and I plan on building a "cradle" or "tip-over jig" similar to the one built by spyville in this his thread- http://www.fordpinto.com/general-help/body-cart/

The car is pretty much ready for me to start bodywork but i'm heading back to college on thursday.  I will be back home for a weekend or two every month so I should be able to slowly work at it.


The cart my dad and i built


car on the cart


basically just the body
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

Clydesdale80

i was looking through all my newly organized parts and found a few things that I probly won't be needing.

Since I'll be using my holley carb and esslinger manifold(top), I dont have a use for this carb and intake(bottom) that was attached to the "ranger" engine my uncle gave me.


I'll also be using my pacesetter header(top) and wont need the ranger manifold(bottom)


i'm upgrading to a 5speed(left) and wont the the 4speed(right)


does anybody have any use for a ranger oil pan(top)? its rear sump


i've got an extra valve cover


here is the block that all the ranger parts came from, I also have the head but both are heavily rusted.


since the car is changing colors i wont be using the green side stripe trim, its in good shape and would be a shame to go to waste.


the cruisin wagon panels have been listed in the classifieds for awhile now, they were saved from my uncle's highschool car. I have no use for them but they would also be a shame to waste. the pieces below the panels are the filler pieces for both bumpers, I plan to use joebob's "simple fat bumper fix" so i wont need these pieces.


the windshield has 2 or 3 rock chips and it looks like someone ran the wipers without blades.  scratches from the wipers cover most the windshield and wake it hard to see through. none of the scratches are deep just alot of small ones making it cloudy. there might be a way to polish it out but idk, i'm just gonna order a new one.

if anyone is interested in any of these parts let me know, shipping will probly be expensive since im in Iowa and almost no one else is anywhere near me. I'd like to make a little money for my project but it'd be nice just to know these parts were being used.
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

Clydesdale80

everything is solid except the spots i posted pictures of. Thats why I decided this car was worth the 4 hour drive to pick it up, all the hard to fix steel is in good shape. there is some surface rust under where the trim was but i cleaned a couple spots up and there is solid steel underneath. All the patching should be easy to hide.
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

r4pinto

Wowsers!!!! Nice way to store the parts. I'm with 78Starsky. Good thing you can weld. There any rust in the rear quarters or anything or are they solid?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

78_starsky

i like the way you used the space saving technique!!!  Good thing you can weld.  cheers

Clydesdale80

I tore the car down a little further this week and decided that I needed to reorganize my pile of pinto parts in the corner of the garage. Dad didn't want me to use up any floor space outside my stall of the garage but i needed to spread things out so i could find everything. i think i found a pretty good solution.





shouldn't have problems finding anything now. I took the fenders off the car along with the brake lines and fuel lines. I then power washed the body to get rid of loose dirt,grease, rust,and insulation.

now that its clean i can show more clearly the rust damage that i found. luckily i'm a kirkwood certified welder ::) (the program was kind of a joke, some of my classmates couldn't even make a consistent bead on flat steel) I think i can manage to make functional patches in the fairly hidden places.

front passenger floor

rear passenger floor

rear driver floor

front floor

spare tire holder

both corners of the hatch underneath the plastic piece.

this is the reason that i'm taking the car all the way down to the body, i'd like this car to last a long time and i knew a thirtyfour year old car couldn't be perfect after how long it sat.
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

Clydesdale80

the door trim is just popped into place, start at the front of the door and slide a small flatbar under the top edge of the trim.  once you get the end popped off, hold it with one end and pull gently away from the car with one hand and slowly work the flatbar along the trim until the trim comes off. I used a small 4'' flatbar but i'm sure something else would work too.
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

Pinto5.0

I forgot about that bolt on trim, I was just thinking of the window surrounds. I still need to figure out how to remove the ones on the door window frame as well when the time comes.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Clydesdale80

i was glad i found those nuts on the inside of the quarter panel before i pried on the trim too hard. only six of the eight total studs had nuts on them. it seems to be a trend with this car that everything is missing a couple screws or nuts. this probly explains all the rattles that the car made when I did drive it.
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

Pinto5.0

I got lucky & always had pliable rubber the few times I've pulled them out. Glad to hear you got them out & how the chrome attaches. I never had to remove it until this build so I never looked.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Clydesdale80

The windows came out today just like Pinto5.0 had said except that I had to soak the rubber in wd40 for a night to make it flexible enough to pull out.  the front and top trim pieces come out after the window is out, they are in a channel in the rubber.  the bottom piece of trim is held on by four nuts inside the quarter panel.
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.

Pinto5.0

As far as the trim goes I need to remove mine to anodize it black but I haven't pulled it yet. I think it will come off with a bottle opener. Try wrapping a couple layers of duct tape over the rounded end(to prevent scratching the aluminum), not the pointy one & hook the part that pops up the cap under the edge of the trim & gently pull up & see if it starts to move.

If it does move along the edge slowly until it's loose. This is an old trick for pulling gutter trim on Mopars. It looked like the way to go when I was contemplating getting mine off. Don't force it whatever you do.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Clydesdale80

Structurally the car is great besides the holes in the floor. The car does still have alot of problems that I would like to fix before driving it daily. I am aware that there will be more expenses to come but I believe I can make something that I really enjoy driving. My friend just bought a 2009 chrysler Concorde for $4,000. The way I see it I can make a much sportier and fuel efficient car for that or less. I understand ur concern and am a little nervous myself being this deep into a project as a beginner but I have many friends and family members that are experienced with mechanics and restorations that are helping me. I hope with help from them and some pinto specific help from people on this site I can make a great car for myself.
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.