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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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r4pinto

Quote from: dga57 on April 28, 2017, 01:37:46 AM
Sounds like you have your weekend all planned out, Matt.  Work safe!!!

Dwayne :)
I sure will Dwayne. Four jack stands supporting the car. That way I know she won't fall.


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dga57

Sounds like you have your weekend all planned out, Matt.  Work safe!!!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Got some packages from Rockauto. Brake drums, parking brake cable, and transmission gasket with filter. Repairs to happen this weekend.
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pinto_one

Its just the arm on the motor on the motor itself , its so easy to install the arm in the wrong way .
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

r4pinto

Thanks for the tip. I'll be sure to remove the arms


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pinto_one

When you put the wiper motor back do not put the wiper arms on yet , if you put the linkage on the motor 180 degrees out the rotation of the wiper shaft will reverse and the wiper arm will scratch your cowl to hell when it swings down and not up ,  Ask me how I know  :o
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

r4pinto

Took the wiper motor off the car. Not too hard to get to. For granted if Ford had any brains back then the cowl would have been removable with the wiper motor and transmission linkage mounted outside the car but can't change the past. Took it apart and the motor smelled of burnt electrical. Bits of burned brush material. And by bits I mean chunks. I will end up ordering a new motor for the car. Was going to go after the old one on my parts car but remembered they were a bit jerky most the time so doubt it was good enough to use b


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r4pinto

Thanks I'll keep that in mind. I thought the same thing of the master cylinder which is what was puzzling. Solid pedal with no dropping which doesn't add up to a master cylinder failure. Only time will tell.


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pinto_one

Well you have a leg up on it , if the pedal goes to the floor again change the master cylinder,  got a bad one a few years ago and hit the brakes and went down to the floor , pumped a few times and the brakes cam back , after that it would slowly go to the floor , scary,and if you need any carb parts let me know , got a few cores if you want them , I went to EFI a long time ago , later Blaine
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

r4pinto

I probably could leave the parking brake cable for now, but I'm paranoid. In 2011 the 77 Pinto had a blow out on the freeway due to a failed line, and the 80 had the brake issue. I don't want to drive the car without having that fixed. What has me concerned is the dash light didn't come on. I don't know if the bulb is good and will be checking that since it should have come on when the brakes failed on the 80 in my garage. The left drum will be kept as a spare. It has a little more material but is usable in an emergency. The right is junk. The only original parts is the master cylinder and lines. Oh, and the proportioning valve. Hardware was a newer kit from the 77 parts car, wheel cylinders brand new, RF was from the 77, and LF caliper brand new. Pads came from the 77 but were installed on that car in 2006. Hopefully she will drive ok soon.
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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: pinto_one on April 23, 2017, 06:05:03 AM
Oh well, I did not know you changed the carbs , it is common they stick if they sit up for some time , great you got a hand on it running and stoping , have a good one , later Blaine

Thanks. Yeah, the original carb wouldn't even get the car started after I installed the engine from the 77, so I installed the carb from the 77. I spent money rebuilding the carb from the 80 but no luck. It ran great before the fire but after the fire the car wouldn't run when I did the engine swap. Rebuilt the carb after the fire but no go. The choke opened before so just need to adjust it some.

In other news I ordered parts for the car. A new parking brake cable, two drums, and a transmission filter kit. The car has a leaky transmission pan gasket, and while I could probably just use RTV I'm not a fan and would rather do it right. Total cost for all parts is $67 shipped from Rockauto. Love that site. It's keeping my Pinto running. And the collection of magnets I'm getting is an added bonus lol.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pinto_one

Oh well, I did not know you changed the carbs , it is common they stick if they sit up for some time , great you got a hand on it running and stoping , have a good one , later Blaine
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

r4pinto

Yeah all the hoses are newer hoses with no cracking. I ended up bleeding the entire system and its holding steady so unsure what happened. As for the choke I never adjusted it when I swapped carburetors. The one on the car was from my old 77. The coil is a different setup than what the 80 has so I need to change out coils.


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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pinto_one

Have you replaced any of your brake hoses , or looked at them , I redone my brake system when I had the engine out for overhaul three years ago , replaced all the hoses when I found one that had cracks and was seeping , replaced everything , lubed the parking brake cable too, I do not want a future problems with brakes when I need them when towing my camper , or like a old Chevrolet when the brakes get wet , you hit the brakes and it goes faster , I also flush all of my cars brake system every four years , you would be surprised how dark the fluid gets over time , as for you choke it may just need a clen and lube on the linkage, if your choke coil does not work check the alternator for output , if it good check the wire the plug on the back of it to terminal marked STA ,  or sater , its white with a black stripe , it is hooked straight to the choke coil , that way it only heats up when the engine is running , hope this little info helps , later Blaine
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r4pinto

Well, the car is fighting me. Fires right up and runs but choke needs adjusting, as well as the choke coil installed on it. The choke doesn't open currently. I started the car and moved it but noticed the brake pedal went clear to the floor. Was solid before so gotta find out what is wrong. Pretty sure it's the front since it was the rear reservoir that was dry. Installing the new brake shoes as well as the new right rear wheel cylinder. The left rear wheel cylinder was replaced before I drove the car so it is newer. The right front caliper was swapped from the 77, left front caliper brand new, all hoses newer, and no visible leaks. Aggrivated as all
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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Brake shoes and the wheel cylinder came in today. This weekend I will install them on the car. If all goes well I will take her on a test drive. Remaining parts needed to be a good driver... Transmission pan gasket, wiper motor, door and hatch seal. Not too much.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Just went on to Rockauto.com and ordered a new wheel cylinder and set of brake shoes. Shoes are a closeout set of riveted Wagners for $6 plus shipping  and the wheel cylinder was the remaining amount. Total cost of $22 shipped versus about $32 in store. I can then take the drums and have them checked. They are probably out of specs but if they can be turned it will be $9 per drum at O'reily Auto. Next will be replacing the leaking transmission pan gasket.
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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on April 11, 2017, 07:31:42 AM


With all luck I will be getting her to many car shows this year.

I sure hope so, Matt!  Maybe we'll cross paths somewhere along the way!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

I did a little work on the car. The battery was going on 6 years old and died. So I found one that would work and installed it. Not the right one but at $20 you can't go wrong. The car fired right up with a few pumps of the pedal. Future plans include transmission pan gasket and filter, wheel cylinder for the right rear, shoes all around, parking brake cables, possibly new drums, and new weatherstripping. Found the hatch leaks water badly, and the driver door seal is shot. I also need to install the correct choke coil. The one on the carb is from a 1977 with blade terminal.

With all luck I will be getting her to many car shows this year.
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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

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r4pinto

Thanks guys. I'm going to mix some color to match the paint as closely as possible so the original blue is covered up. But that'll be in the spring lol. Mechanical issues first though so she can drive safely.


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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Cookieboystoys

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

r4pinto

I recently parked the car back in the garage. Here she sits for the winter. Insurance suspended with comprehensive put on just in case something happens while stored. I didn't disconnect the battery since it's on its way out anyways. She is hibernating until spring time. When it warms up I may go ahead & have the battery load tested to make sure my thinking is correct. At least she looks much better than when I first parked her in the garage. The winter will give me a chance to save up to replace the brake shoes, drums, RR wheel cylinder, and parking brake cables.

When spring comes I want to be able to get all that done and take her to many car shows, including one possibly in Carlisle. I am going to talk to my Dad about that one. I will also replace the front shock absorbers, springs, driver door seal, and hatch seal. I want it to be right for the big unveiling which will be Carlisle. What year is unknown but she will get there some year. At least the fuel system is good and safe after replacing rusted lines and dry rotted hoses before I even tried to start her up.
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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Reeves1

Make sure to replace the dip stick tube O ring. Seen them leak lots.....

r4pinto

Well today is the last day the Pinto registration is current so I will be putting her in the garage tonight. Not going to register the car until spring and will be suspending the coverage for now and putting comprehensive on it. Until the brake issue is fixed the car cannot be safely driven. Spring time will bring a brake repair, exhaust rework, and transmission service. The pan leaks badly.


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dga57

Well, keep in touch and we'll all look forward to a renewal of the project in Spring 2017!!!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

I've given up the battle for now. I am going to call my insurance company and have the coverage suspended. I will then put it back in storage. I have to pay bills & put money in to my Impala to drive it so the Pinto will have to wait until Spring. Parts needed for brakes:

drums, RR wheel cylinder, shoes, parking brake cables. I just don't feel like dealing with trying to fix something that doesn't want to live at the moment
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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Probably. Which is why I'm cutting the cable. Don't have the money for a new one and tired of issues with the cable.


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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Reeves1

Had a truck one time. Replaced whole brake system, including E brake cable.
Back brakes did much the same as yours.... turned out the E brake cable was the problem.

Measured up the same as the old OEM one. No idea why it caused a problem. Just put the old one on & was good to go.

May or may not be your problem ?