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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul

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vonkysmeed

that is the pan, I hope you have an oil pick up too.
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

oldeguy

got a front sump pick-up...here is the cut!

at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

vonkysmeed

looking at the picture, the front sump pan may still work (with mods)  The biggest issue I see is the oil pickup.  If you can move the oil pickup to the front, but that may require some fabrication for the pick up line. 
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

oldeguy

A quick up date...cleaning and painting part, welding on the frame rails...also working on getting the pull cable bell housing and front sump oil pan on the T/C motor. Ran into a few issues...the front sump oil pan wil not fit because of the main cap straps and the windage device attached to the main caps. so, need to modify the cap. the bell housing need some helicoil.
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

oldeguy

17 mar 2011...spending time in the garage...but doesn't seem that I'm making forward progress. must be...spending 3-4 hours per day!

But did get the FMIC install done.
before picture, duing, after....cutting the hole was the most difficult, but not bad.
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

oldeguy

Up date....22 feb 2011
*my Centric Master brake cylinder was not what I expected. it did not look like the pictures with the plastic reservior...it looks like a standard unit?
* got the engine bay sanded and cleaned up, how working on getting the wire harness cleaned up.
* purchased my new Turbo wiring harness...with MAF
* pulling the heater/AC out
* got the FMIC picked out and purchased...a 17 x 11 x 3 inch core size from fleabay
* reviewed the areas to weld up the cars spot weld seams
* got my 255 l/h walbro pump...think I got the fuel line/filters figured out.

at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

oldeguy

got the cars moved around....birds out in the cold, the Pinto in the heat again.

found a 8.8 3:73 geared 97 Mountaineer axle assembly. Oboy...determined that i have a standard O2 sensor, ordered master brake cylinder...a centric unit with a plastic reservoir. Hope it works

got the bird roller sold...man that took a while.

could not re-size the bird shot in the snow!
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

oldeguy

been cold here in OHIO the last couple of days...-5 F 6 AM yesterday.

the engine is out....

at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

oldeguy

Quote from: Pinturbo75 on February 04, 2011, 07:28:46 PM
you dont need to narrow the tc rear, use a set of axles and brake drums from a mustang 7.5 or 8.8 and it narrows the rear enough to fit 15x8s with 255-60-15 tires.....
I do want disc brake on the rear...do I need them? probably not, but i want them.
Did some soul searching...an d looking at it from a dose of reality. it was going to be expensive to convert this T/C 8.8. big "heavy" rotors, caliper that is complex because of e brake, ect. So, my plan has changed to an explorer 8.8, cut down the 31" axle side to match the 27 inch...two cuts on one tube, then one weld. It's got solid disc's, got drum ebrake, got standard axles. Sounds to good to be true, we'll see.  8)
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

beaner

Quote from: oldeguy on February 06, 2011, 08:57:47 PM
brad, see you also went for the mustang back up lights! i was going to do the same....
those are small rectangle fog light type lights

brad :)

oldeguy

at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar


Pinto5.0

That looks like some quick progress. I wonder if turbo Pinto's outnumber Tbirds at this point.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinturbo75

you dont need to narrow the tc rear, use a set of axles and brake drums from a mustang 7.5 or 8.8 and it narrows the rear enough to fit 15x8s with 255-60-15 tires.....
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

oldeguy

well...the engine is ready to come out of the t/c donor!!!! got almost all the underbody stuff off.
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

oldeguy

My donor engine set up. diamond pistons, crower rods, esslinger hardened crank, powerhead head with some port matching to manifolds. a237 cam with roller rocked, stock 88 T/C intercooler, turbonetics t3/t4 stage III, bailey BOV, 65 mm throttle body, 90 mm Lightning MAF, eec la3 w/eec tuner, 55# Delphi injectors, alum. Flywheel, T/C 5 speed, the 8.8 differential with 3.73 gears.

my vision...big butt front mounted intercooler, 20 - 25+ # boost, alki/water injection, 11 inch front disc's with GM metric calipers, 5 bolt wheels, 15 x 7 up front, 15 X 8 rears looking at billet street wheels, tires...50 series on front, maybe 60 on the rear. getting the front air spoiler back on. the chassis up dates...6 point roll cage, subframe connectors, caltrac traction bars, new shocks.
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

oldeguy

progress today....
3 inch ss exhaust almost off...man lots of clamps, but a sweet system. removing the downpipe required me to grind a socket wall really thin to get it on.
went to the parts store to look at replacement fuel connections, I think i know no how to remove.
Trans to bellhousing bolts...two were almost loose, two are really tight...so tight...have not gotten them loose yet!
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

oldeguy

Quote from: Bigtimmay on January 31, 2011, 05:54:05 PM
If you was closer id try to get that from ya i miss my tc but mine the drivers side framerail was rotted otherwise i wouldnt have pulled it apart.
bigtim...i can not believe how rust free the car is...i really don't want to se it scraped out. but...
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

oldeguy

Quote from: TIGGER on January 31, 2011, 02:35:57 PM
Thats cool....let me know if you end up parting it out.  I may be interested in the rear disc brakes for my Saleen.
tigger, the 8.8 is going in my Pinto after narrowing, and all the other mod required to get it to leaf springs.
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

Bigtimmay

If you was closer id try to get that from ya i miss my tc but mine the drivers side framerail was rotted otherwise i wouldnt have pulled it apart.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

TIGGER

Thats cool....let me know if you end up parting it out.  I may be interested in the rear disc brakes for my Saleen.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

oldeguy

Quote from: TIGGER on January 30, 2011, 10:31:14 PM
Nice car and nice project.  What are you going to do with the bird when you are done pulling the engine?
thks for the "nice project" comments!
Well I want to sell it! the body only has surface rust on the underside...wo w! it's pretty clean from a rust stand point. pictures...http://s1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/donchez22/88%20Turbo%20Coupe/
just posted it on one of the t/c sights...it would be a great start for aa race car or a resto project. I would have used this car if it was 1000 # lighter...need that 5.5 to 6 #/hp ratio!
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

Bigtimmay

Quote from: TIGGER on January 30, 2011, 10:31:14 PM
Nice car and nice project.  What are you going to do with the bird when you are done pulling the engine?

I was thinking the same thing about the bird it seems to be in alright condition
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

TIGGER

Nice car and nice project.  What are you going to do with the bird when you are done pulling the engine?
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

oldeguy

as we say in the boating community...sh e's on the hard!
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

oldeguy

Todays progress...got the donor car up on jack stands, pull driveshaft, drained the trans, remove radiator fan assy. got most of the wires disconnected from engine, pulled maf and assoc hardware off turbo, need to get fuel line off? how does one remove this type of connector? see pic below
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

oldeguy

A little history... if anyone care to read it.   
Purchased this Pinto in Englewood, CO in September1978. This was a special trip just to buy and bring back a clean rust free car to Ohio. BTW, by 1978 I logged over 150K miles on all my previous Pinto's (71 1600, which I converted to a 2.8 l v6 and my 73 2.0l wagon all 4 spd cars) This 72 Pinto is a 2 liter 4 spd car with factory air with yellow paint and white and black(?) interior. Drove it back to Ohio and started to create my hot rod Pinto.
The vision was to have a Camel GT handling turbo powered Pinto streetcar that looked cool and would kick butt. My turbo options were to do the 2.0 from scratch or the new 2.3 mustang turbo engine. I selected the 2.3 because it was a standard complete package that would bolt up the 2.0 transmission and only required new motor mounts...sounded like a no brainer to me, and that is what I did. The car has a custom, made from scratch by me, z28 style hood scoop that was functional...needed to because of the carb air cleaner mounting surface was almost flush with the hood, the hood scoop was my air cleaner. The pinto hot pants or boss pinto kit' ie the "trans am" look. Paint in metallic black Imron paint.Racer Walsh front springs with sway bar. Re-jetted carb and a cockpit adjustable boost controller. Last was a 2 ½ inch custom stainless steel exhaust. I was able to run 12 plus # of boost with leaded Sunoco 260 all the way into 4th gear to about 4k rpm's, then it got bad detonation. It surprised allot of trans am's and z28 in it's day. This was my daily summer driver for a few years, then just a now and then driver....once I purchased my new 86 Turbo Coupe., the Pinto became the garage queen and only got driven in 1987 to my new house, then back into the garage and not the "queen" any more.
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

oldeguy

Quote from: Bigtimmay on January 29, 2011, 10:58:06 PM
i want those tail lights! LOL ive been wanting to put cougar tails on my bobcat for a while now
I did want to use 69 camaro lights...it was just way to difficult, next choice was the 65 T bird lights, but could not find any in the juck yards, but i found cougar lights. The reason for the bigger lights was to be see!
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

Bigtimmay

Its so you can lock it if you want
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

oldeguy

i see a little lock on the side of my posting...what is this about?
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar