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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

72 Pinto "Hot Rod" OverHaul

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don33

hey there oldeguy, bout ready to start on mine too. you bought that high dollar bell I see... my fuel cell came in last week and I just brought home my Miller 140 autoset welder.  now I'm ready...

oldeguy

Just about time to start the Pinto project again. did get a quicktime bell housing to put on the engine, but that's about it.
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

oldeguy

OK...I guess i'll try welding my tubes to the housing...

one man's food is anothers poison!
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

don33

I've also heard the issue (rumor) some have about welding  cast steel / cast iron to steel tube. from what experience I have, and research I've done, its a non issue (old wives tale) which all depends on the skill/experience of the welder. I have a downpipe that has mild steel exhaust tubing welded to a Holset cast elbow. just think of all the heat cycles that goes through. some said it wouldn't work.  It works just fine, its been on my car for over two years. But hey, it's all good, theres more than one way to skin a cat...

oldeguy

i agree with the no cutting. My issue is with the welding of steel tube to a cast steel? I'm not a well versed welder. so, I've done some reading on forums about this. I've read anything from, use a 6010 rod with arc welder to preheating with TIG...this is what concerns me...just my 0.02

welding steel tube not a problem...i located my cut on the center line of the spring perch...so you also have the spring perch adding strenght to this joint.
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

don33

Yep, drill em out and pull the axle tubes out...!  install the short side in. I just think it would be cool due to the no cut nature of the procedure.      But yeah, totally agree with your comment.

oldeguy

my tubes are plug welded...a 98 explorer 8.8. and I think, but not 100% sure, all are plug welded. if you look a the stangfix link/thread, he drilled these areas out.

one more comment...if you have a good means to cut square (you can rent a tube cutter from a rental shop), and can weld this is an easy way to get a narrow 8.8 with disc brakes, 31 spline axles with 5 lugs, which really opens up the wheels that you can use in your build.
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

don33

very good,  I think my build is going to be extremely similar to yours....  have you ever heard of the method which I eluded to above ?  and quoted below.[quote


I have heard that the exploer axle housing tubes are not welded in and are just held to the center section bt a press fit pin.  I have also heard tha it is possible to just pull the long side axle and housing out and replace with a short side axle and housing.  no cutting, no welding and you end up with exactly what oldeguy has now. can anyone confirm this ?
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oldeguy

don33....cut out about 2 7/8 or 2 15/16 inches of tube, don't have my notes here. but you can just measure the short side and duplicate copy that dimention.

nice link on stangfix...that is cool and some great prices for the parts!

don't know about the axle housing and welded or not....
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

don33

Quote from: oldeguy on May 03, 2011, 07:39:23 AM
narrowing my 8.8 diff for the "hot rod"

FWIW...I'm cutting the long side down to equal the short side, then using short side axles on both sides. This will give me an axle overall width of 56.125" wide, or 0.875 inches narrower then the stock Pinto axle.

cut #1...then cut #2 notice the scribed line on axle tube, this will be used for alingment at reassembly.

Need of brake backing plate for this axle in the wanted area. need both sides.


here's  a way to accomplish the same thing with only one cut.
http://www.stangfix.com/testforum2/index.php/topic,11946.0.html


I have heard that the exploer axle housing tubes are not welded in and are just held to the center section bt a press fit pin.  I have also heard tha it is possible to just pull the long side axle and housing out and replace with a short side axle and housing.  no cutting, no welding and you end up with exactly what oldeguy has now. can anyone confirm this ?

don33

Hey oldeguy, exactly how much did you cut out of that housing,?  I see this procedure in my future.

Bigtimmay

i just thought of somthing are you gunna be welding the axle tubes to the third member?
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

oldeguy

Not much progress on the pinto the last few weeks. other project consumming to time, getting the boat ready, the garden, green stuff/yard bs......
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

T.HADLEY

Nice job on the axle, from one old guy to another... :lol:

T.

oldeguy

Got my Calvert Racing Suspension spring perches...they look good! Nice an beefey!  ;)



A picture of it sitting on the axle tube...note the small gap for better welding penetration!

at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

Bigtimmay

Looks fine shouldn't go anywhere just make sure the spring perches are on there good too I've watched those twist off. LOL
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

oldeguy

Welding up the shorted axle housing....the clamping and aligment pic....



the tack welds....I tacked at 90* intervals, let it cool,



The longer welds...then did about 3/4" to 1" long welds, let it cool, then repeated until complete....



Looks pretty good to me! what do you guys think?
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

Reeves1

Forgot to mention... when you paste the "img" code, use it's own line, or you can end up with a wide post.

oldeguy

Hey Reeves1....thk s for the tip! that sure makes a better looking posting!  ;D
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

Reeves1

Just a photo posting tip....

When using your photobucket account, copy the bottom "img" code and the picture will show here like this:


oldeguy

narrowing my 8.8 diff for the "hot rod"

FWIW...I'm cutting the long side down to equal the short side, then using short side axles on both sides. This will give me an axle overall width of 56.125" wide, or 0.875 inches narrower then the stock Pinto axle.

cut #1...then cut #2 notice the scribed line on axle tube, this will be used for alingment at reassembly.

Need of brake backing plate for this axle in the wanted area. need both sides.
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

oldeguy

Got all the bearing checked for clearances...all are good!  :) now the "not so good"   :(  the turbo shaft is almost max'ed out in axial play, end play is tight, oil pump pick up tube hitting the main stud nut, the Speedway pan kit p/n 910-15196 won't fit the stock oil pump pick up, needed to add some dimples for main and windage tray nut heads. the good is got all these issues resolved...jus t more time! a few pic's
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

oldeguy

got it back from sandblasting and primer paint...



needed a little more pan depth at cap and windage tray nuts...

http://s1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/donchez22/Turbo%20Pinto%20overhaul/?action=view&current=20110413182351.jpg#!oZZ1QQcurrentZ Zhttp%3A%2F%2Fs1139.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn547%2Fdonchez22%2FTurbo%2520Pinto%2520overhaul%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3D20110413182839.jpg
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

Bigtimmay

Actually the offset thats on them will clear in a pinto its been done already Ohsix9 has one under his CW and it still keeps the 17x9 i think they are cobra R wheels in the fender wells. Im just thinking of narrowing one so i can stuff a little extra meat on a set of 15 inch wheels.

After you get that beast drivable youll see why i want all the tire i can get under mine.  :lol:
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

oldeguy

yep...explorer.

i'm not sure you want to have the center section offset by almost three inches. may have some fit issues, but for sure a good drive shaft offset.  ;)
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

Bigtimmay

Exploder rearend?  Ive been thinking about using one just dont know if i wanna leave it stock length or cut down the drivers side axle tube and run two passenger axle to make it a lil bit narrower. But the 31 spline axles and disc brakes and 5 lug are nice plus most have trac-locs and 3.73 gears which is what i want for behind my t5.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

oldeguy

Good eye Dave...off to sand blasting on Monday!

Just layed out my drill pattern for the rotors, ordered my SS braided lines, new rotor/caiipers...

:)
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

dave1987

Is that a disc brake rear axle? I'm jealous... :P
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

oldeguy

finally got my 8.8 rear end  :surprised: 

warm enought to work outside today...disassemble of the brackets and parts...next off to sand blasting later next week.


http://s1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/donchez22/Turbo%20Pinto%20overhaul/?action=view&current=20110402131627.jpg
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar

oldeguy

up date....got pan mod's 90% done, http://s1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/donchez22/Turbo%20Pinto%20overhaul/?action=view&current=20110330104550.jpg#!oZZ1QQcurrentZ Zhttp%3A%2F%2Fs1139.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn547%2Fdonchez22%2FTurbo%2520Pinto%2520overhaul%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3D20110331172215.jpg 
still need to add the speedway sump kit.

and got some new wheels... sweet  ;D  http://s1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/donchez22/Turbo%20Pinto%20overhaul/?action=view&current=20110330104550.jpg
at some point...2.3L EFI T3/4stageIII FMIC 55#inj eecla3 90mm MAF 65mm T/B 5 spd 8.8 w/ 3:73  11" rotors, GM Metric, explorer rear disc 205 55 14 fronts 225 50 15 rears subframe connectors w/ a 6 point roll bar