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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Restoring my 1971 Ford Pinto Trunk Model

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dick1172762

Where did you get the new looking seat covers? Been a long time since I,ve seen any that new looking. Like 1971 or so.
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larjohnson

Dwayne:  Yeah!!!!! me too!!!!!!  I still can't believe a 21 year old daughter will actually spend time with her Dad at a car show!!!!!   She loves old cars too....I guess it's a curse of our family.   She's definitely the keeper, that's for sure....lol   Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

She's definitely a looker, Larry... in fact, I think I prefer HER to the Pinto!!! :lol:

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

larjohnson

Dave:  Yes....they're beautiful...especially the brunette...lol.   Hey!!! just remember a part of this Pinto is yours....hahaha...thanks...  And by the way, when you finish yours, it'll blow mine off the road..... lol Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

smallfryefarm

That is a beautiful pair rite their larry. Man your havin so much fun your killin me i have got to get mine legal and ready.
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larjohnson

Called my daughter tonight, and she's going to attend a cruise in with me.  We have one monthly at the local McDonald's in Albany, Indiana.  A good friend of mine from High School is gonna be there.  I'm looking forward to it :D.  Here's another picture of my beautiful daughter, which I took at the Daleville, Indiana Fall Festival last Saturday.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Dave...believe me, I know I'm blessed....thanks....

Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

smallfryefarm

I really do feel great larry thanks, but glad that a couple old rims got me a good friend in indiana. Glad your daughter still hangs with the old man, she is a looker to. My youngins still hang to, makes life good!!!!
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larjohnson

Dave, Dwayne, Carolina Boy, and Pintogirl....yes, the Pinto did look good for the show.  First place went to a fully restored 1941 Ford Truck.  It looked good also, kinda made into a hot rod.  Anyway, I wasn't expecting anything, I was happy to get second place.  Yes Carolina boy, my daughter is beautiful, and I'm very fortunate she'll spend time with me.  She's busy with schooling, working full time, social engagements, yet still finds time to spend with Dad.  I'm blessed.  Dave....If I'm not mistaking, your parts were the first I received to start the restoration on my 1971, so you should feel great about the win too.  I appreciate all the support I get from my friends at fordpinto.com.  Thanks alot...have a great weekend.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

pintogirl

Congrats!! That is awesome!!  The car is looking great!!!  Congrats on taking second place!!  ;D ;D
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dga57

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Carolina Boy

The pictures were great, especially the third one and the car looked great too!! :evil:
All kidding aside, that is a very nice restoration!!!
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

smallfryefarm

CONGRATS!!!!  Man she sure looks good, not sure who got the 1st place trophy but it would have had to be unbelievable. Thanks for sharing the pics. Gonna show the wife told her some of my pinto was up in indiana in a car show she said rite.  :rolleye:
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larjohnson

Dwayne:  I remembered my camera this time.  Took my 1971 Ford Pinto to the Daleville, Indiana Fall Festival Car Show today.  My Daughter Sarah went with me.  We got second place in the "BEST FORD RESTORATION" Category.  I was excited.  I've posted some pix here as well as on my galleries. Notice the Yosemite Sam Floor Mats in the photo of my award, they are just like the ones I had in my 1971 Pinto from High School.  Thats why I love EBAY.... Hope you enjoy....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Quote from: larjohnson on October 09, 2009, 09:01:02 AM
Well...taking the 1971 Pinto to it's second car show tomorrow.  A Fall Festival at Daleville, Indiana.  I'm really looking forward to it.  It's great therapy for me to go to these car shows and look at these beautiful pieces of auto history.  I'll post some pix, hopefully, if I don't forget my camera this time.   Larry :police:

Just keep repeating, "Remember the camera, remember the camera, remember the camera..." ;D

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

larjohnson

Well...taking the 1971 Pinto to it's second car show tomorrow.  A Fall Festival at Daleville, Indiana.  I'm really looking forward to it.  It's great therapy for me to go to these car shows and look at these beautiful pieces of auto history.  I'll post some pix, hopefully, if I don't forget my camera this time.   Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

WOW!!! you guys came up with some great names.  dholvrsn I too had thought about a contraction type name, putting Sciscoe together with Pinto, but none gave me the bam I wanted.  Dwayne, really like the Pinto De Sciscoe idea, that's on my "A" list.  I truly liked Sciscoe's Honor also, so thanks blupinto....I'm gonna think on that.  I had thought about Sciscoe Kid, and I love that name too.  Thank you all so much for your help and ideas, I truly appreciated it.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dholvrsn

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blupinto

Larry, did your late friend have a nickname? Here's some ideas... Sciscoe Kid,  Sciscoe Girl, Sciscoe-A-Go-Go, Sizzlin' Sciscoe, Sciscoe's Honor... :)
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

How about Pinto de Sciscoe?

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

larjohnson

Well....gonna work all week on getting the 1971 Pinto ready for it's second car show, held this next Saturday, during festival days in Daleville, Indiana.  The car will look fantastic come Friday, can't wait for the show.  I've been working on a name for this Pinto, and have been considering something like Sciscoe Pony.  What do you think???  I had a great friend early on in my career, who died of cancer in 1993.  His last name was Sciscoe.  Thought this could be appropriate, but not sure I like the pony with it, or go something else, like Sciscoe Raider, Sciscoe Hornet, Sciscoe Trunkster, Red Hot Sciscoe (Capt. Red for short).  I don't know, what do you think????? I really want to get a name for the car, and I want to honor my buddy....I just can't come up with something that just gives me that BAMMMMMMM!!!! I want.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Dwayne:  Well...if you wanted to ship her, I'd work on her.  Yes...you're right, if I do clone a Pinto to the Sprint package, it'll all have to be original and stock.  I do love the souped up Pintos I see on this site, but my love for the Pinto includes keeping them as original as possible, even down to the fabric in the seats.  There are different varieties of Pinto lovers out there, those like me who want to keep them looking like the day they came off the assembly line, and those who wish to give them a little flair and personality.  I guess that's what makes this site so spectacular, there are just all kinds of Pinto lovers, and all kinds of Pintos.  Please, if you stop over in Indiana on your trip, let us know....I can get anywhere in the State in about 4 hours, so we could meet you all anywhere for a bite to eat.  Have a great day....if I don't see you in 2010, hope to see you in Carlisle in 2011....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Blupinto:  My bad..... I guess I was just sleeping when I read your post.  Anyway, BEACH Huh????? I love the ocean and beaches.  And I love working on Pintos.  Would be really great, but I just don't have that much vacation time hahahahaha....Good luck on Wildfire...he'll be a beauty some day....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Quote from: larjohnson on October 01, 2009, 05:17:01 AM
Dwayne:  Hey I always appreciate hearing from you in my thread.  I could only wish we lived closer together, it'd be nice to have a friend who loved Pintos as much as I.  If we were closer, you know I'd love to come over and work on your car with you, or without you, wouldn't matter, it's a nice release for me to work with my cars, and I could enjoy working on yours just as much.  You're right, what you've said in prior threads, I know we'd be great friends if we resided closer to each other.  My wish someday is to be able to attend a car show with one of my Pintos, in which you and your wife can be there also.  We'd have a great day at the show, then grab a nice supper afterwards.  Hey!!!! you have a great day, thanks....Larry :police:


Hmmm... wonder what it would cost to ship my Pinto out to you? :lol: 

Seriously, I'm counting on getting together in Carlisle in 2011 if we don't meet up somewhere beforehand.  We are tentatively planning a cross-country road trip in 2010 and a dinner stopover in Indiana certainly shouldn't be out of the question!  Food for thought, anyway! 

A true Sprint would be quite a find but creating a clone might actually make for the more interesting project.  Judging by your apparent taste in cars, whatever you do will probably be bone stock... right?  That's the way I would do it too.  The modified Pintos on this site are incredible, and the V-8's and turbos are absolutely awesome, but I like my slow little 75 hp four cylinder because it reminds me of what the Pintos were like when they were new!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

larjohnson

That'd be great to find a real sprint...but I'm just not sure there are any around.  You'e right, I'll look this winter, I don't want to start another project until spring anyway.  If you hear of any, just let me know...thanks.

Larry
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

ilvmy76

Larry maybe spend the winter looking for a real Sprint. I think Pintony that used to be on this site found one, don't know if he's willing to part with it but... If you can't find a real one I'm sure in your quest you will run across a few good candidates for a clone at that point you could decide weather to make a stock clone or make a clone with a blown 302 in it, tube chassied etc. etc. etc. I'd like to see you do a restored original if you can find one or a stock clone.     
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blupinto

Not A wildfire... THE Wildfire... that lil' copper-colored Pinto in my posts silly goose! I too am afraid of fires. Almost all of my life I've had fire dreams that terrified me. Yeah, I do cry when I see a vehicle or home engulfed in flames. I do NOT want to be cremated when I pass from this life. So yes, I understand the fear of fires. I wouldn't even burn trash, even if it was legal to do so here. The pony she (I) named Wildfire could do with an upholstery shop visit, a new paintjob, LOTS of engine work (sob) :'( , new shocks and other underside goodies...  ;D and I'm only about eight miles from the beach!
One can never have too many Pintos!

larjohnson

Dwayne:  Hey I always appreciate hearing from you in my thread.  I could only wish we lived closer together, it'd be nice to have a friend who loved Pintos as much as I.  If we were closer, you know I'd love to come over and work on your car with you, or without you, wouldn't matter, it's a nice release for me to work with my cars, and I could enjoy working on yours just as much.  You're right, what you've said in prior threads, I know we'd be great friends if we resided closer to each other.  My wish someday is to be able to attend a car show with one of my Pintos, in which you and your wife can be there also.  We'd have a great day at the show, then grab a nice supper afterwards.  Hey!!!! you have a great day, thanks....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Blupinto:  Hey!!!!! Wildfires????? I'm a little afraid of fires myself, I get nervous when I burn trash...lol :lol:  I've been in Law Enforcement over 30 years, and there's always been a little competition with Firefighters as to whom are the most important.  I can tell you from experience, when my house caught fire 4 years ago, Firefighters were there within 9 minutes of making our 911 call.  They saved the house in just a few minutes, at that time I thought they were the most important, and I appreciated their help so much. We were able to move back into our home in just 24 hours.  So I'll leave the firefighting to those that know what they're doing, I appreciate our emergency workers....  But why don't I come to California and visit your beautiful beaches?????  I appreciate you all responding to my threads, I really enjoy my friends at fordpinto.com...thanks for the input....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Quote from: blupinto on September 30, 2009, 08:43:24 PM
Larry, you could always come out west and tackle Wildfire... for practice you know... ::) lol.

Or... if you prefer the east coast, you are more than welcome to invest some time in mine!  I sure can't seem to find any time to work on it :lol:

Dwayne ;D
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