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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Restoring my 1971 Ford Pinto Trunk Model

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dga57

Larry,

I scored a nice find on eBay about three hours ago... an unassembled original Pinto motorized promo car, still in the box.  I think one end of the box is torn, but I'm not too concerned about that.  Now I need to decide whether I want to leave it "as is" or go ahead and put it together for display.  The nice thing is that I bought it cheap enough that I can do whatever I wish without concern for my investment.  I'm leaning toward putting it together and displaying it with my other promo cars, but haven't decided for sure.

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dga57

Larry,
I'm sure you're on the right track! :lol:
It was definitely a '70's statement! 
One of these days I'll find one!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

larjohnson

Dwayne:  I can only imagine what the Social Statement was...... lol  I hope you find it someday, it's funny how these little silly things from our youth, are so important to us now.

Good Luck!!!!!  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Hi Larry!

Nope, that isn't the shifter knob I had... in fact, mine had nothing at all to do with Pintos or any other car... the emblem on it was more of a social statement.  Maybe I'll run across one someday.  If not, the Pinto knob I have will look terrific on my car.  I know just how addictive eBay can be!  I have made somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 purchases there.  That includes some collectible Pinto items (matchbook, drinking glass, watch, keychain, and even my 1972 Pinto, itself!) as well as flat panel TV's, DVD's and videotapes, furniture, clothing, musical instruments, and four automobiles besides my Pinto!  I don't even want to think about how many thousands of dollars I've spent on eBay... it would probably make me feel faint!!!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

larjohnson

smallfryefarms:  Yes..Ebay is very addictive, but it seems like everytime I get on there, I find something else I need for my Pinto collection.  Do you think I'll ever get it all collected, and won't need anything else????  Thanks...I need to take some pix of my collection and put it with my gallery for the Pintos I have.   I'll try to do that soon.  My collection is getting quite extensive.....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Dwayne:  Well I purchased two shifter knobs off of Ebay over the last year or so.  One I think is the walnut one you spoke of.  The other one I actually bought off a guy who had one on his Pinto in the 1970's.  He came across it recently, and decided to sell it.  Apparently he kept it all these years, and just decided to sell it.  It's in really nice shape.  I've seen a few like this one on Ebay over the last year or so.  It's a wood knob, has a red/white/blue stripe, alot like the Mustang emblem, then the Pinto Pony over it.  Could this be like the one you had?????   Let me know....  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

smallfryefarm

Ebay is great Larry but becarfull its addictive, then you end up grounded.  :lol: :lol:
Smallfryefarms Horsepower Ranch

dga57

Wow, Larry - that was a steal on that watch.  I think I paid about $180 for mine but it runs and keeps fairly decent time.  I used to have a magnetic thermometer on the dash of my Pinto too - hadn't even thought about that thing in years.  I had a custom shifter knob that I'm sort of looking for, but haven't had any luck so far.  When I traded the Pinto, I took it off and it was used on several other vehicles over the years but it eventually got away from me somehow!  In the meantime, I bought a NOS walnut shifter with the Pinto logo.  Pretty sharp.  If we ever melt out from under all the snow we've had this year, I really want to start working on my Pinto... I've waited long enough, now!  Have a great weekend!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

larjohnson

Hey Pinto Family!!!!!  I haven't posted anything for a while, thought I'd better get back on here.  I was shopping thru Ebay the other day looking for a couple of vintage magnets I kept on the dash of my 1971, just to give it the full effect of the original 1971 Pinto I drove in High School.  While looking, I came across an old dash thermometer which was just like the one I kept on the dash of my High School Pinto.  I had forgotten I even had the silly thing.  I know it's stupid, but I bid on it and got it.  It looks great on the dash of my newly acquired Pinto.  Also,  I had been wanting one of those promo watches they handed out in the early 70's for the introduction of the Pinto.  They just run too high, but I wanted one for my now extensive Pinto memorabilia collection.  So, I took the chance, placed a bid of $10.00, and actually won it.  Seems most I've bid on have went closer to $150-$175.  Guess it was just meant to be for me to have this one, huh?????  Well just wanted to say hello to my Pinto Family, everyone have a great day..... Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

discolives78

Congrats on the article, Larry! Your Pinto does look great!

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

larjohnson

Hey guys..thanks for the comments on the article.  Yes...I'm looking forward to Carlisle, and plan on going in 2011...hope to see you all there....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

Pintosopher

Great article Larry,
You and many others are laying the groundwork for a new perception of the Pinto as a collectible Classic. After we get a few meets in 2010 done , the Big one at Carlilse will really send the car media into a frenzy.
I also have it on good authority , that there will be some Vintage road racing Pintos in attendance. Should be a real extravaganza for us .

Keep up the great work,
Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

smallfryefarm

Larry just got to read the article. AWESOME.
Looks like they did a great story on you, really enjoyed reading it.  ;D
Smallfryefarms Horsepower Ranch

larjohnson

78squirewagon:  Yes...I've pretty much lived in this area all my life, and so has my wife.  It's been made famous by Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Armed and Famous (BTW I was working in Law Enforcement in the Muncie area during the taping of this show, and met most of the cast).  It's not perfect by any means, but I guess it's as good as other towns it's size.  We currently have our home for sale, and plan on moving to Anderson, Indiana, which is about 12 miles West of Muncie.  So I guess I'll still be in the area.  Thanks fo the comment, yes...I think they did a great article.   Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

78squirewagon

Pretty cool stuff. My wife was born in Muncie (Munchie  ;D ) and lived there until she was four when her family moved to WI (around 1975)  I personally liked some of the comments made
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

larjohnson

Hey guys...thanks for the comments on the Pinto article in our local paper.  I think they did a really nice job on the article.  The on line article didn't feature the photos the regular paper did.  It had a front page headline, then on the 2nd page had some really nice photos of the Pinto.  It was pretty much a 3/4 page article, they done me good....lol   Thanks again....BTW Beegle55, it was nice hearing from you, don't see you on the site much, and it's nice to know you're still around.   Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Larry,

Thanks for sharing the newspaper article AND for giving the PCCA a plug!

I know you must be proud... I'm proud of you!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

beegle55

Great write up on some great work Larry! Congratulations!  :afro:

     -beegle55
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dave1987

Congrats Larry! Good article, I'm sure it made you grin like a mad man. :D

Cool to see the reference to the car club to!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

larjohnson

The article on my 1971 Pinto came out today in the Muncie Star Press.  You can view the article by either going to www.thestarpress.com, or I think the link is as follows:

http://www.thestarpress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/201001260317/LIFESTYLE/1260301

I hope you all enjoy it, I think they did a really nice job on it.  Everyone have a great day....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

The Muncie Star Press was at the house today, a photographer and reporter.  They absolutely loved the 1971 Pinto, as the 1972 is at my Mom and Dad's about 2 hours away.  They took a lot of photos, and asked a lot of questions.  The article will be in this coming Tuesday's (01/26/2010).  I think you can just go to www.thestarpress.com, or just google the Muncie Star Press Muncie, Indiana and see the article.  It'll be great...I'm looking forward to it.....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

blupinto

Confuseus say little people have little minds.

David, is thast you?

Of course it is. You're SmallFryeFarm and you raise wee horses.  :o :lol: ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

smallfryefarm

Hey thats awesome, dont forget about us little people  :lol:
Cant wait to read it.
Smallfryefarms Horsepower Ranch

dga57

Quote from: larjohnson on January 20, 2010, 02:18:14 PM
Our local newspaper is doing an article on me in the near future, about my two fantastic Pintos.  Probably unusual to have a guy love Pintos so much, and on top of that have two of them in his garage.  Anyway, I think the article will be in the paper sometime in the next couple of weeks.  The reporter is coming to my home Friday for some pictures of the cars and and interview.  I'm a little excited about this.....wish me luck!!!!!!  Larry  :police:

Larry,

Don't forget to share the newspaper article with us or at least provide a link to the online version.  We'd all like to read about it!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pintosopher

Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

pintogirl

That's cool Larry!!! I'm excited for you!!


Welcome to 'stardom" LOL!!!!   I have been on tv and radio so far!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

larjohnson

Our local newspaper is doing an article on me in the near future, about my two fantastic Pintos.  Probably unusual to have a guy love Pintos so much, and on top of that have two of them in his garage.  Anyway, I think the article will be in the paper sometime in the next couple of weeks.  The reporter is coming to my home Friday for some pictures of the cars and and interview.  I'm a little excited about this.....wish me luck!!!!!!  Larry  :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Dwayne:  Yes...I was watching a 1972 runabout on Ebay located in Oklahoma City, but I found out it needs a new headliner.  That's just too costly a repair for me to make....lol....  Anyway, one year ago today, the 1971 Pinto I bought from Reed arrived in Muncie, Indiana, and her restoration began.  I can't believe I've had that beauty a year now....  Anyway, hope your new years is going well for you.....  I'll be posting more soon....thanks....Larry
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Hey Larry! 

We need to get busy and find you another project so you'll have something to post about! :lol:  Glad you're still here.  Hope you have a wonderful 2010!!!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.