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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Restoring my 1971 Ford Pinto Trunk Model

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larjohnson

Just wanted to let everyone know I'm still here and checking the site daily.  Got the new 2010 Ford Pinto calendar the other day, looks sweet.  Hope everyone had a great Christmas and New Year.  Looking forward to spending 2010 with my extended Pinto family.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

David:  Yes... I was just thinking about that the other day.  There hasn't been much to post on the Pinto, and things have been a little hectic around the house.  My new Grandbaby developed Jaundice really bad, and had to spend a couple of days in the hospital.  Then, I think I told you all my house sold, we moved 75% of our stuff out to storage, then the loan didn't go thru for the buyers.  Therefore, I had to last week move all that stuff back home, to keep from paying storage all winter.  And of course other things came up, just been a really difficult few weeks.  Things seem to becoming more normal, and you'll see me back on again. I have been checking the posts and site, just haven't been posting anything.  Thank you for caring enough to post on my site, I appreciate it.  I had the same concern a month or so back with Beegle55, hadn't heard from him for a bit, and I got worried.  It's amazing how you worry about your Pinto family also..... thanks..... You and yours all have a Happy Holiday Season.....Merry Christmas....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

smallfryefarm

Hey Larry you old fart  :lol: havnt seen you post in like a month was worried about u. Hey howz them grandbabys doin? Hope your all good and wish you and your family happy holidays. Merry Christmas
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larjohnson

pintoman2.0:  I'm glad you like the 1971 Pinto I got from Reed.  It really does look fantastic, and I love the car.  I assume maybe you seen it made the Ford Pinto 2010 calendar for the month of September.  Just look in the Cafe Press Store if you didn't know.  I appreciate the comment, and it's nice to hear from someone who knows a little history on this beautiful piece of Ford history.  It's nearly identical to the one I had in High School, way way back in 1972.  I loved the car then, and I love it now.  Again, thanks for posting, I really enjoyed hearing from someone who knew the car before, and can admire the car after. BTW, if you didn't know I have a gallery set up for the 1971, if you'd like to review it.  Have a great Holiday Season....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

pintoman2.0

Larry.

I was going thru some old posts that I had never read. I saw the one that you posted on the transaction with Reed. Then I remembered that a couple days ago I saw your name on one about that you were a Grandpa, Congrats old man, and it refered to this post. I started reading it about two hours ago. Man what a history. Reed was a great guy. Some of those parts you got came from a car that apintonut owned. Reed, Brian and I spent a great Saturday stripping that car. Somewhere I posted my experience trying to remove the windshield, unsuccessfully.

I was really bummed when Reed said he was getting rid of the car. He really loved the car but it just didn't fit him, he was so tall. I wanted the car really bad but at the time I had 14 cars in the yard, 8 Pintos, and three others at friends houses. My wife said no. Only the second time in 27 years she did so I let her win. If anyone were to tell me now that that was the same car I would not believe it. Amazing!!!! By the way, Reed didn't like the Mustang wheels either. I convinced him to leave them on. I have a set on a 78 rally wagon and they look great.

For your next project, forget the turbos, slicks and stuf, Put a 4.6 DOHC out of a Lincoln MkIII and its IRS in one. I think that is what I want to try. If you want to do the Pintero apintonut has an 80 wagon with the roof cut off that he is trying to get rid of for $500.

Again, AMAZING!!!

P

dga57

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

smallfryefarm

well congratulations you old fart. :lol: im so happy for you!!!! Glad to her the girls are doing good. and i love the name. Bailey is a lucky little girl. I know her grandparants wont spoil her.  :rolleye:  ;)
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ilvmy76

Congratulations to the Grandparents and Parents. Welcome to the world Bailey.
worry does not empty tomorrow of it's troubles, it emptys today of it's strength!

Carolina Boy

Congrats, Granpaw!!!  :happy_bday: :welcome: Bailey Marie, you have a lot of Pinto Aunts and Uncles to meet!!
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

larjohnson

Yesterday at 10:47 AM God gave my wife and I a beautiful new Granddaughter.  Her name is Bailey Marie, and she was 6lbs 6oz and 19 3/4 inches long.  She was a month early, but she's perfect in every way.  I just wanted my extended Pinto family to share this wonderful time with me....hope you all have a great day....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Glad it all worked out and you were able to go!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

larjohnson

I don't know how much they needed for their trip, or how much they made, but it looked like the car show at least was successful.  I had a fantastic day!!!!! Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

Srt

Quote from: larjohnson on October 25, 2009, 05:58:23 PM
Well...the weather held out and I went to the car show in Cowan, Indiana.  It was great, only about 60 cars there.  It was a car show to raise monies for the local High School Senior Class, to help pay for their Senior trip.  It was beautiful weather, beautiful cars, and great food.  I had a great day!!!!! Larry :police:

did they get enough for their trip?  i know how hard that can be.  my daughter & i went on a trip years back when she was in the 8th grade that started in st. louis, mo. & followed the lewis & clark expedition trail all the way back to montana/idaho to the headwaters of the missouri river for her 8th grade social studies/american history class.


BEST VACATION I EVER HAD
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

smallfryefarm

Quote from: larjohnson on October 25, 2009, 07:48:49 AM
David:  I know....anyone that knows me is sure to be in trouble if they were to leave a Mustang in my hands for any length of time.  Mustangs are my favorite all time car...I've owned 6 in my life time, inlcuding the 1968 I own with my oldest son.  My younger son has the 1966, and my oldest in his life time has owned probably 14-15, I've lost count.  Hope you had a great day with the New Stang......have a good one. Oh yeah, I guess my car show is today, rather than yesterday, I had it screwed up.  If the weather holds....I'm going........Larry :police:

Larry glad you made the show, cant wait till i can make a few drive ins myself. I to have had several mustangs, we have a 65 down to the bone rite now, its going to be my sons. Hopefully have it rolling by spring.
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pintogirl

Glad things worked out and the weather held for ya!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

larjohnson

Well...the weather held out and I went to the car show in Cowan, Indiana.  It was great, only about 60 cars there.  It was a car show to raise monies for the local High School Senior Class, to help pay for their Senior trip.  It was beautiful weather, beautiful cars, and great food.  I had a great day!!!!! Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

pintogirl

Well here's hoping the weather holds out for you today!!! Take lots of pics for us!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

larjohnson

David:  I know....anyone that knows me is sure to be in trouble if they were to leave a Mustang in my hands for any length of time.  Mustangs are my favorite all time car...I've owned 6 in my life time, inlcuding the 1968 I own with my oldest son.  My younger son has the 1966, and my oldest in his life time has owned probably 14-15, I've lost count.  Hope you had a great day with the New Stang......have a good one. Oh yeah, I guess my car show is today, rather than yesterday, I had it screwed up.  If the weather holds....I'm going........Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

smallfryefarm

Nasty here to larry. Hasnt rained today though. My brother needed my truck to haul his car to the track so he left me his new mustang. That silly boy, jumped in turned the traction lock off and took to the road for a little fun  :fastcar: all i can say is he should have known better.  ;D
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larjohnson

Well....it's a cold rainy day today, so it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to get the 71 Pinto out today for the car show.  I may go ahead and attend the show, but only to see those who have braved the weather to take their beautiful machines to it.  It doesn't start until 1pm, so maybe the weather will take a major change for the better between now and then, but I doubt it.   Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Quote from: larjohnson on October 19, 2009, 09:57:19 AM
David:  God blesses us with so much, but I think the biggest blessing he's given me is my grandchildren.  I love them so much.  Being a Grandparent is a wonderful experience.  Enjoy yours also, as I keep reminding my wife, some day they may not want to spend time with us, like they do when they're little.  A bonus for me is my 5 year old granddaughter loves my Pintos.  She comes outside with me and helps prepare them for car shows, then she goes to the shows with me...how special is that??????  Thanks for the response, have a great day....Larry :police:

Sounds like a dream come true!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

larjohnson

David:  God blesses us with so much, but I think the biggest blessing he's given me is my grandchildren.  I love them so much.  Being a Grandparent is a wonderful experience.  Enjoy yours also, as I keep reminding my wife, some day they may not want to spend time with us, like they do when they're little.  A bonus for me is my 5 year old granddaughter loves my Pintos.  She comes outside with me and helps prepare them for car shows, then she goes to the shows with me...how special is that??????  Thanks for the response, have a great day....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

smallfryefarm

Hope the little ones ok, and congrats on the new one. larry i know you dont mind a bit missing anything for the grand babys.
My youngest 6 months is staying with me now while my son and daughter inlaw are up on the hill hunting and my oldest 1 yr old this weekend is staying all night with me tonight  ;D happy happy. love to get them neck hugs!! always be another car show down the road just hit the ones you can.
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dga57

Larry,

Sorry you missed the show but at least you had a good reason!  Hang in there, and you'll make it next weekend!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

larjohnson

My Granddaughter has been sick this week :P, and her Mommy had to go to the hospital for a few hours, we're having a baby soon, thought it might be today.  Anyway, Grandpa had to stay home and couldn't go to the cruise in tonight, so I guess the 1971 Pinto is tucked away until next Saturday, which should be her last car show of the season.  One of our local High Schools is having a car show to raise money for their Senior trip.  Looking forward to it, at least if all goes well.....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

discolives78:  Yes...it was quite the transformation.  I just love the silly car...it's sitting in my garage right now all spit polished and ready for tomorrow nights cruise in, at a local McDonalds in Albany, Indiana.  I'm looking forward to it.  Thanks for the comment...Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

discolives78

Congrats Larry! Nicely done. The car sure looks different without the vinyl roof and Mustang rims!

:afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

larjohnson

Dwayne:  I'm fortunate both my boys and my daughter love old cars, and will accompany me to car shows when they can.  Now...my 5 year old Granddaughter goes to shows with me.  She'll walk around and want to see inside the cars, and she even has her favorites.  I'm assuming as long as she thinks I'm cool, she too will go to car shows with me, and love these old classics as much as I do.  Have a great day....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

dick1172762:  My 1971 Pinto came to me with 1980ish Ford Mustang seats.  I searched around and found a junked 1972 Pinto that had the proper seats in it I needed.  I was fortunate, as whomever had this junked Pinto had placed after market seat covers on it, so when I removed them, the original seats were in pretty good shape, just the wrong color and fabric.  I located the original fabric I needed from a company in Michigan, took the seats and fabric to a local upholstery shop, and presto!!!!! they recovered the seats for me, making them look like they did the day the car was made.  I repainted and dyed the rest of the interior, which included replacing the dash cap and carpet with new!!!!  The interior looks as good as the day it came off the assembly line.  My only real issue with the restoration of the interior, was replacing the headliner.  The stupid thing was only $50.00 to buy; however, it cost me nearly $650.00 to have it installed.  With the Pinto, like some other Fords, you must remove the windshield along with the rear and side windows, to install the headliner.  This means paying a glass company to both remove and replace the windows, which included a new windshield seal.  I have about $1,500.00 in the restoration of the interior, but as you can see, it was worth it.  Thanks....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Quote from: larjohnson on October 13, 2009, 06:16:26 PM
Dwayne:  Yeah!!!!! me too!!!!!!  I still can't believe a 21 year old daughter will actually spend time with her Dad at a car show!!!!!   She loves old cars too....I guess it's a curse of our family.   She's definitely the keeper, that's for sure....lol   Larry :police:

Kids can surprise you!  Both my daughters (now 30 and 32) have accompanied to car shows since they were little.  They actually share more interest in my hobby than my 16-year-old son does, although he's been to his fair share of car shows too!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.