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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

The Baby (aka the copper queen)

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discolives78

It's kinda like the water line from the ice maker to the wall, same concept. I thought you were going to try it without pulling the radiator? :lol:

Chuck   :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

pintogirl

Quote from: discolives78 on February 13, 2009, 07:11:08 PM
Hold the one closest to the radiator and turn the one furthest from the radiator counterclockwise. under the larger of the two is a flare fitting.






Sorry about the crude drawing, I'm a visual learner :)

LOL that is a great drawing!!!!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

discolives78

Hold the one closest to the radiator and turn the one furthest from the radiator counterclockwise. under the larger of the two is a flare fitting.






Sorry about the crude drawing, I'm a visual learner :)


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

pintogirl

Try going to an autoparts store and getting some "Nut Cracker" or penatrating oil! It works alot better and actually works it's way into the threads!!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

 >:( Grrrr. I'm now at a stalemate. The whole project seems to hang on those two cooling lines, both of which the nuts won't budge. I can't replace the timing belt or put in the new water pumpo because I can't get the fan out because the fan's bolts are too long because the radiator's close to the fan and I can't remove the radiator because those dumb nuts won'd budge!!! I soaked them in WD40 overnight andf spritzed them a couple times today and all I've managed to do was round out the short nut on one side.  >:(
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

That's a good question. Mine doesn't currently have a leak (knock on wood). I ran her a few days ago to charge her new battery before I started on this daunting journey and leak-wise she was good. My hope now is when I reassemble what I disassembled that the result is the same.  ;)
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

I wonder how much it costs to have the radiator pressure tested.

My dad and me had mine flushed, sealed and painted before i put my car back together again. I know mine had really trashed fins on it, but I don't recall any leaks. I think it was around $120 for the work done.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

I didn't have a chance to work on her today but I did spray some lubricant on the nuts in question to soak overnight. Meanwhile I'll hope for a sunny day tomorrow. I don't have power steering in her but there really is a bunch of stuff. THe 2.0 had miles of room! The lower hose is on order so sometime tomorrow I'll have that, plus I purchased some radiator flush because the fluid that came out of mine had a distinctly brownish tint.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: dave1987 on February 12, 2009, 05:51:16 PM


I also have access to ratcheting wrenches, which helped immensely when getting to the belt cover bolts around the thermostat housing, and behind the crank pulley. They are made by GearWrench and available at Sears. So far they have proved to be a very worthy investment!

Oh yah, I love those wrenches!!! I have metric and american with the standard and stubby sizes!!!!! Don't leave home with out them!! Well, ok I do, but not when going to wrecking yards!!! LOL

Well worth the money!!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dave1987

When I reset my timing belt early last year, I drained the radiator and removed the top hose. Then pulled the fan and pulley off, and then removed the timing belt covers. Once that was done, it was just a matter of loosening the idler pulley/tensioner and removing the belt. The reverse procedure to put it all back together.

I also have access to ratcheting wrenches, which helped immensely when getting to the belt cover bolts around the thermostat housing, and behind the crank pulley. They are made by GearWrench and available at Sears. So far they have proved to be a very worthy investment!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

Just went and looked at a 77 Pinto with a 2.3! I see what you mean by not much room!!!!!  :o  I would take out the radiator!!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

discolives78

I like to remove the radiator so it's easier to get the long bolts that hold the fan on out of the water pump. My car is a 2.3 4 speed, so I have no trans lines to contend with. My car also has no p/s and no a/c so my engine bay is fairly clear of clutter, however I am using a fan from an a/c car for better cooling here in the desert. If you can get to the necessary stuff to access the belt without removing the radiator, then by all means, skip this step. I just like to have a lot of elbow room.

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

blupinto

So is it the longer nut that moves and the short one stationary? I've never had to deal with cooling lines before (except to mourn the breaking of the blue Pinto's line) so I'm really dumb about this.

        Well Kim, you should've heard the muttering going on yesterday as I was trying to figure out how to get the AC belt off. the AC belt, naturally, prevents the other belts from being removed. Mine is a 2.3. As I recall my '72 2.0 had WAY more working room (believe me- i resisted the radiator drop. I'm deathly afraid I'll screw something up! lol. ) and I don't remember her having a smog pump and I know she lacked an AC unit. That alone frees up some serious space. Also, that lower hose is crappy so I need to replace it before I go any real distance, much less to Knotts! I can't access that clamp at the engine block, so it has to be done. Plus, I want to replace the water pump.
One can never have too many Pintos!

phils toys

Quote from: blupinto on February 12, 2009, 12:27:25 AM
I've taken the plunge: I've started Project Timing Belt. So far I was able to loosen the alternator and the smog pump (with a little help from the neighbor on the smog pump) and drained the radiator. I discovered the lower radiator hose looks a lot older than the upper one, so I'll be replacing that. What ground my progress to a halt was the transmission cooling lines. There are two nuts on each line (get your minds outta the gutter folks! lol!) and I want to say that I "hold" one in place while I loosen the other one. Well, it's not working, and I'm afraid to force it. Am I doing this right? I want to remove the radiator as Chuck suggested.
Get some pb blaster and squirt it in the back of the nut wnere the line goes in . Let it soak for a while then get emery cloth (fine sand paper)and sand the line  sort of polish it. Try  to losen the line again  working it  slowly  by loosen about half turn then tighen again loosen  ect... untill it moves freely.
Phil
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pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on February 12, 2009, 12:27:25 AM
I've taken the plunge: I've started Project Timing Belt. So far I was able to loosen the alternator and the smog pump (with a little help from the neighbor on the smog pump) and drained the radiator. I discovered the lower radiator hose looks a lot older than the upper one, so I'll be replacing that. What ground my progress to a halt was the transmission cooling lines. There are two nuts on each line (get your minds outta the gutter folks! lol!) and I want to say that I "hold" one in place while I loosen the other one. Well, it's not working, and I'm afraid to force it. Am I doing this right? I want to remove the radiator as Chuck suggested.


I'm not seeing a reason to pull the radiator!  ???  I may be wrong on this, because I'm not a mechanic, but I would think to replace the belt all you would have to do is loosen the tenstioner (sp) and R&R the belt! Hubby just "re timed" my car and had to R&R the belt to do it, and he left the radiator in place!!  I have a 2.0 though so maybe mine is different, isn't yours a 2.3? (sorry I don't recall ) I have never seen a 2.3 in person so maybe the belt is different??

I'm glad you are working on the 'copper queen'!! Can't wait to hear you say that you are driving it!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dave1987

I had to sew my headliner back together too. It isn't beautiful, but it keeps it off my head and out of my face!

My back seat is torn in the same place yours is. Mine is too brittle to attempt any repairs on though. :(

I have good rear seat vinyl from the 77bobcat I parted out last summer, I may attempt panel replacement if Chuck would like to give me some guidance though. ;) :P
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

use a 1500w heat gun or a hair dryer on high to soften the vinyl and make it more pliable. on the back seat, take it out and flip it over, use an awl or small pick to remove the staples from the backside top edge so you can hold up the material and stitch from behind. on the headliner, use a curved needle. I had to stitch a few places on mine, I just used ordinary thread. Don't pull too hard on the material, remember that it's old!

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

blupinto

While I'm here I want to ask a couple more questions:
   Is there a way a novice sewer like me can fix my back seat and headliner where the threads are actually coming apart? I have needles and thread (not upholstery thread) but do I need to soften the fabrics before I attempt this? I've kinda tried to pull the headliner pieces back together but I'm afraid I'll rip a hole in the fabric because it's so tight.
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

I've taken the plunge: I've started Project Timing Belt. So far I was able to loosen the alternator and the smog pump (with a little help from the neighbor on the smog pump) and drained the radiator. I discovered the lower radiator hose looks a lot older than the upper one, so I'll be replacing that. What ground my progress to a halt was the transmission cooling lines. There are two nuts on each line (get your minds outta the gutter folks! lol!) and I want to say that I "hold" one in place while I loosen the other one. Well, it's not working, and I'm afraid to force it. Am I doing this right? I want to remove the radiator as Chuck suggested.
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

BTW, I have to have these stores order the belt 'cause they don't keep them in stock.
One can never have too many Pintos!

discolives78

It is a good idea and a good time to replace the water pump. My water pump came from Napa the second year I had her, and has about 4 years and 12,000 miles under it's belt.

I had a dream. A friend of mine's dog was having puppies, and I was picking from the litter. I held a white puppy that glowed and that song was playing on the stereo when I woke up. Two weeks later, my friend told me his dog was pregnant, and asked if I knew anyone that wanted a puppy. The rest is history.

A good place to start with the timing belt is removing the grille, draining and removing the radiator, and removing the fan and fan belt.

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

blupinto

 ;DAs a matter of fact I saw the new pix of yours a few minutes ago. She's a dandy. Yours reminds me a little of the Pinto I Could've Got (if Mom hadn't vetoed it!) The one I could've had was a medium blue metallic with the whole glass hatch and automatic. The car lot only wanted $750 or something like that in 1989. Mom liked the Yugo there (gag!) but we settled for the '81 Capri. The one that burned up. I'll bet the '78 would still be around if Mom let me have it.

       Tell me about your boy named Sue.


       I was also advised that since I'm replacing the timing belt anyway I should also replace the water pump too.
One can never have too many Pintos!

discolives78

That's cool info. I probably won't get to the belt till next saturday, I went all out at the u-pull-it. Check out my project thread and my new Pinto pics, and let me know how my baby looks.

Thanks!
Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

blupinto

Hey Chuck! (I always wanted to say that! lol)

       Kragen and Autozone carry the belt, and it's way cheaper than a T belt for the Rodeo! The belt for the Pinto is a little over $13. I would love for you to post pix. I've replaced a starter (on an '82 Capri), an alternator and power steering pump (on Capri again) plus light bulbs, oil and filter, and other misc. stuff. I even reconnected the speedometer in the '75 Maverick I had so briefly (I never got to see if I did it right). I've never replaced a timing belt- way too major for me. I think I'll do it by myself. Well, with your help!  ;)
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

I think the lowest ones were like 108-115 or something around there, might have been lower.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Do you remember what the low compression numbers were? The lowest measured on mine was 120. I understand I want at least 120. If I could find that thread on the 2.0 I'll compare notes. Thank you. :)
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

I know we had a member here with a 2.0 motor in an early Pinto which had issues on inclines. It was due to low compression in a couple cylinders. They did a valve adjustment and it brought compression back up to acceptable ranges, letting the car climb much better.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Thank you Kim! Tomorrow I'm pricing timing belts (the Rodeo needs hers replaced soon too). I just realized... I have a two-car western event! (get it? Rodeo and Pinto) ah well, you had to be there! LOL.

      AS for the car stall issue: does what my mechanic said make sense? Lacks power when strain is on engine because of timing issue and falters and dies?
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

That sucks about the timing belt, and I am sure hoping that the noise is nothing major. I hope you can get things figured out soon. I am still at a stand still on the Green Machine too. So don't feel bad. I can't get hubby to take her for a spin and I wont drive her the way she is!! So don't feel bad that you can't drive you baby!! I can't drive mine either! They are 2 Pintos in a pod!!!! LOL   ;D

Keep us updated on the prognosis of the engine noise!!

Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Kim's right... it's all good. Now if mine ran as well as Kim's... And thank you Chuck! That would be swell!
One can never have too many Pintos!