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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

The 'Green Machine' Project! 71' Sedan

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blupinto

Tell that to the poor Astro-Safari fully engulfed on the freeway here yesterday. My co-worker and I could feel the radiant heat from it in the #3 lane (it was on the shoulder on a 4-lane highway).  Then again, I'm not in Modesto or up there. Then yet again I hear santa anas are coming to Cali for another visit.

          I hear you Kim- working in the chill is no fun. Something about stiff numb fingers and all... :lol:  But yes, I'm grateful to live where it rarely freezes and almost never EVER snows. Heaven forbid it does here... we have knuckleheads who can't navigate the roads here in sunny clear dry conditions. Can you imagine ice and snow added in the mix!?
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on December 05, 2008, 07:49:30 PM
How wierd that is.. Just out of curiosity, how cold is it out there in Cali? It's gotta be warmer out here, where the high temp was 27 degrees lol.

I'm not sure what they high was today, but currently at 5.40pm it is 48 degrees!  It is a no burn day, meaning that in Sacramento County we are not allowed to have fires in our fire places, it is the same in Modesto, but inbetween the two, Stockton is allowed to burn!!! You see the smoke doesn't go over the county lines!!!!!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

How wierd that is.. Just out of curiosity, how cold is it out there in Cali? It's gotta be warmer out here, where the high temp was 27 degrees lol.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Well, I  tried changing the color to purple, but you still can't see while  typing!! LOL

I put  a new fuel filter on and took the green machine for a test drive today!! She ran a bit better. I was able to get going ok, but  she still isn't smooth. She wants to hesitate just enough to make her not safe to drive far distances!  I am going to try to change the carb back to the one the didn't have a choke. I took the spring they had on it, off, and I will see what it does without that spring!  I am thinking it may not have let the choke off, and that is why  they put it on there! We will find out later today or tomorrow! Depends on how cold it is in the garage tonight!! LOL I don't like working in the cold!!!

On a side note. If you highlight your typing you can check to see how you are doing!! LOL  (while we are on ghost mode!! LOL)

Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dave1987

Quote from: pintogirl on December 02, 2008, 10:33:35 PM
This is a fold down seat too! Making it even neater!!!!! :) LOL

I want a fold down rear seat on MY sedan. :(  :P
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on December 02, 2008, 10:22:47 PM
:hypno: Crazy, man, crazy.

              That pattern, I'm thinking, is supposed to be like "tooled leather", like on Western saddles. I've always been intrigued by that design. I have NEVER seen that "tooled" thing on the backseat, though. I thought I'd seen some Pintos in my time. So I think you have something neat there. Well duh. Of COURSE it's neat. It's a Pinto.

This is a fold down seat too! Making it even neater!!!!! :) LOL
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

 :hypno: Crazy, man, crazy.

              That pattern, I'm thinking, is supposed to be like "tooled leather", like on Western saddles. I've always been intrigued by that design. I have NEVER seen that "tooled" thing on the backseat, though. I thought I'd seen some Pintos in my time. So I think you have something neat there. Well duh. Of COURSE it's neat. It's a Pinto.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on November 30, 2008, 03:53:26 PM
On my computer I have a different decoder that will show that information. If you want to pm me your VINs I can run them for you on it.

Ok, on there way, shortly!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

On my computer I have a different decoder that will show that information. If you want to pm me your VINs I can run them for you on it.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

LOL Matt!! Yah, I'm not normal either! Just my computer is now!! LOL

Ok, here is what I get for the green machine,

Your 1971 Pinto 2 door sedan was the 152261 unit built at the San Jose - Pinto, Bobcat, Mustang plant.
It was originally outfitted with a 1.6 L4 ohv engine from the factory.

Here is what I get for the yellow (now donor) car!

Your 1971 Pinto 2 door sedan was the 131117 unit built at the San Jose - Pinto, Bobcat, Mustang plant.
It was originally outfitted with a 2.0 I4 ohc engine from the factory.

And this is for the brown car,

Your 1971 Pinto 2 door sedan was the 26331 unit built at the San Jose - Pinto, Bobcat, Mustang plant.
It was originally outfitted with a 2.0 I4 ohc engine from the factory.

And last but not least, the grey car,

Your 1971 Pinto 2 door sedan was the 109067 unit built at the San Jose - Pinto, Bobcat, Mustang plant.
It was originally outfitted with a 1.6 L4 ohv engine from the factory.

So  basically all this tells us is, what # car it was off the line, where it was built, and the size motor it has. Nothing on the interior or paint schemes!! 


Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Normal is highly overrated lol. I have never been nor will I ever be normal lol. Come join me.. Its fun on my side of insanity lol.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Ok, I found it. It is now on all the pages I go to!

There are these tiny little arrows in the top right corner of the home page, they are just to the left of the Classified box on the right of the page and under the Pinto logo. You click on those and it makes the side bars appear and disappear. Right now in the reply box, the arrow is just above the greenish bar that has the "post reply" in it!

I am back to normal, just in different color now!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Wierd.. I just saw it & it's under the User Gallery Random Image link.  If you can't find it & you want to send me the VIN & I can enter it for you since I seem tio have it & you don't. that is wierd though
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on November 30, 2008, 01:44:12 PM
Good spotting Kim.

I noticed the same thing so I clicked on the home button & noticed it is on the left about 2/3 to 3/4 the way down the page.

HMMM??? When I hit the home button it only has the article about the Magazine, then under that it goes to previews of the current posts! ???
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Good spotting Kim.

I noticed the same thing so I clicked on the home button & noticed it is on the left about 2/3 to 3/4 the way down the page.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Quote from: 75bobcatv6 on November 30, 2008, 11:37:28 AM
if you really want to know what your car had use the Vin decoder to the left on the forum, it will tell you what came in your car.

There is nothing to the left anymore!!  

I did it once, but forgot what it said! Once I find the link to it , I will do it again!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Quote from: 75bobcatv6 on November 30, 2008, 11:37:28 AM
if you really want to know what your car had use the Vin decoder to the left on the forum, it will tell you what came in your car.

True, but that won't answer their question as to what the square thingy is or what the design is.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

75bobcatv6

if you really want to know what your car had use the Vin decoder to the left on the forum, it will tell you what came in your car.

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on November 29, 2008, 11:40:29 PM
Kim!!! Our cars are possessed by the same demon!!! lol. There's a teeny incline west of my home and I have to put the baby in 2nd gear to get her up it, or the SUV behind us will run us over.

           I'm intrigued... on the backrest of the back seat of the Green Machine there's some rectangular thingy towards the top that looks embossed with a design. What is it and what's the design? My '72 had nothing like that.

Here is a closer pic of the object in question!!!


and here is a pic of a side door panel from my "Deluxe" trim 71 Pinto!


Looks pretty darn close doesn't it??

The green machine has a normal steering wheel so I don't think is had the deluxe trim. The rear seat does fold down, so I am wondering if that is just a feature for that type of fold down seats?

I couldn't  go look at the rear seat of the deluxe trim car I have, but I think it has the standard seat but has that same plastic center at the top! I can't confirm that though, just going on what little memory I have!! LOL I will try to confirm later. The car is covered and hubby has it buried with other cars!! LOL

Hopefully someone here with more Pinto experience can shed a light on this topic!!!!! :)
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Kim!!! Our cars are possessed by the same demon!!! lol. There's a teeny incline west of my home and I have to put the baby in 2nd gear to get her up it, or the SUV behind us will run us over.

           I'm intrigued... on the backrest of the back seat of the Green Machine there's some rectangular thingy towards the top that looks embossed with a design. What is it and what's the design? My '72 had nothing like that.
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Oops.. lol.. I'll take your boo boo with the fuel filter over mine with the pilot bearing in the crankshaft that I had in the garage up until June this year anyday  :D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Today I decided to take the green machine to get some gas! We started off fairly good, but as soon as I hit the main street and wanted to get out into traffic, she decided she didn't want to move that fast. It was like she would try to go, then slack, then try, then slack, etc. I found if I feathered the throttle I could get her to go faster.  We made it back home safely with a full tank of gas, so at least she didn't strand me on the side of the road!!!!

I may have an explanation for what is going on, and don't say anything to Matt (r4pinto)!!  :D He asked me about this before!!!  I still forgot to change the filter before I went out on my gas run!!!!! Oops!!!  So I will try putting a new filter on before I go any further!!

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Starliner

Pintogirl,

Your car looks real solid.  That is good, nothing is worse than a rusty Pinto project.
You stole it for the price! 

About that stumbling...
You may need to blow out your fuel line & sock that is in the gas tank.
I had to do that to mine when I first started driving my 1600. 

I would by a few Fram G1 fuel filters.  They are really cheap too!
They G1 filter are large and you can see when the get dirty and need to be replaced.

You can disconnect the fuel line near the fuel pump and remove the gas cap.  Now lightly blow compressed air through the fuel line until you hear air in the tank.  Put the fuel line back on & the gas cap. 
Install the G1 fuel filter. 

Now watch the G1 fuel filter and change it everytime it gets dirty.   I had to change mine many times before it would stay clean. 


1973 Pinto 1600 - Sold!  
1979 Pinto 2300 - Sold!
1984 Audi 5000 Avant - 60,000 original miles
1987 Audi 5000 S Quattro - The snowmobile
1973 Volvo 1800 ES wagon -  my project car
1976 Mustang II - Wifey's new toy

r4pinto

That's great to hear! Congrats. If you end up needing the pages scanned let me know & I'll get them to ya.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Update!!

Hubby didn't find any carb dip, yet. He decided he would go ahead and pull the carb back off and blow it out with the air compressor, and re clean it with spay cleaner!

He called me on my cell phone ( he was in the garage and I was in the house, what would we do without  cell phones? LOL) and asked me how the car ran! So I went out and started it and it ran really good!!!! Yeah!!!

If it doesn't rain tomorrow, I will drive it to my Mom's for Turkey day!!!!

Now I just need the windshield rubber and I can drive it in the rain too!! LOL 

Guess what this means though!! It can come out of his garage!! LOL Guess I need to make room under the car port! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Not a problem. Your situation is very very similar to what I went through in 2006 after Carlisle when I got home on a hook. Not fun, but if it helps someone now then it works for me.

The carb dip. should definitely dissolve any dirt & varnish that can still be in there.

Keep us posted on what goes on.


Good luck & happy wrenching
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on November 25, 2008, 09:55:22 PM
Hmm... well, that's odd. I have a Holley 5200 carb on my car so I can't just go to the rebuild kit I have to take a look... lol.. All I can think is it leads to just something out of adjustment or a small piece of dirt plugging it.

If you were a few thousand miles closer I'd come over & help... lol

Lucky you to not be in cold weather at the moment.. It's around 25 to 30 right now out here in Ohio.

Thanks for your help!! I bet the way I cleaned it, didn't get the dirt out all the way, so once we get the carb dip, we will get more aggressive with it.

Guess I could put the other carb with no choke back on for now! Atleast I could drive it on my days off and non rainy days!! LOL I won't drive it to work until we get the carb fixed. I have to leave at 3 am in the morning and don't want to have to be reving the car up to keep it running while it warms up!! LOL

Yah, your right, I am still able to ride my m/c to work!!!! Although I will ride it down to 32 degrees. Anything past freezing and ice could form on the roads, and it is safer on 4 wheels then!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Yes, that would be it. The square piece with 4 holes in the picture is the accelerator pump diaphragm.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Hmm... well, that's odd. I have a Holley 5200 carb on my car so I can't just go to the rebuild kit I have to take a look... lol.. All I can think is it leads to just something out of adjustment or a small piece of dirt plugging it.

If you were a few thousand miles closer I'd come over & help... lol

Lucky you to not be in cold weather at the moment.. It's around 25 to 30 right now out here in Ohio.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress