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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

The 'Green Machine' Project! 71' Sedan

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pintogirl

Quote from: 77turbopinto on November 25, 2008, 09:29:12 PM
I would check the accel. pump too.

Honda (motorcycle) brand carb. cleaner is GREAT (banned in CA).


Bill

Isn't the accel. pump the thing on the side of the carb?
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

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pintogirl



Yah mine came with that ruler.

In the pic you see the ruler, then in the corner of the ruler you see a gold thing that has a nut type of thing on it. My kit had one, but it didn't have the nut, it had a slot for a screw driver. Also, I don't recall having that big washer looking gasket. In the pic it has the ball inside of it. I will have to go check to see if I have it in the kit. I didn't rebuild the choke part of the carb because it was working fine and I didn't want to mess with that!! Hubby will rebuild it this time though! Everything else in the pic was in my kit!
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r4pinto

http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=GPS&MfrPartNumber=96197A&PartType=428&PTSet=A

That's the link for the kit I saw on partsamerica.com. The ruler in the picture is the one I was referring to for you to check the specs & settings for the float, etc. Also forgot to ask how is the nozzle fuel sprays out of? If it doesn't have a good spray that can cause similar symptoms. I used a small piece of wire to clean the blockage.

I used a piece of window screen & separated a few strands from it... The wire kind instead of the meshy kind.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

77turbopinto

I would check the accel. pump too.

Honda (motorcycle) brand carb. cleaner is GREAT (banned in CA).


Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on November 25, 2008, 09:12:18 PM
There isn't a way to tell the year of the carb but there is a part number that corresponds to the correct rebuild kit. There should have been a little ruler in there to check the float drop specs, as well as any other specs the instructions have. I checked partsamerica.com & it shows the carb to be a Ford 1250. That what is on there?

I went out and checked the instructions that came with the kit and it is the 1250 kit! I don't know what it say's on the carb, yet, it is on the car still. I will pull it back off tomorrow and see what kinda numbers I can find!

When I went to Napa to get the kit, they guy had to go to the back and pull out an old part book! Yes BOOK!! LOL He had the kit in stock, but it doesn't show one for a 1.6 engine in the computer!! LOL  So, I learned when you call for a part and they say they don't have it, they are not looking in a book (which I already knew that), they are going by the computer. If they would take a little more time and go look at the older books, the parts are there!!!! It was a good thing I got the manager to help me, because he was willing to go the extra mile and find my kit!!!! Just thought I'd share that, even though it doesn't really have anything to do with the problem at hand! LOL
Kim
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r4pinto

There isn't a way to tell the year of the carb but there is a part number that corresponds to the correct rebuild kit. There should have been a little ruler in there to check the float drop specs, as well as any other specs the instructions have. I checked partsamerica.com & it shows the carb to be a Ford 1250. That what is on there?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

Did you put the spring for the accelerator valve in correctly? I know that putting that spring in backwards can cause some problems.

If I try flooring my pedal after starting the car, even after a minute or two of warming up, it will try to fall on it's face. However, after letting it warm up about half way, it's fine.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on November 25, 2008, 08:38:13 PM
Well there you go. The carb spray isn't as potent to break down the dirt that can be in the carb. Sounds like he's got the right idea by getting the carb dip for it. I used that for mine & let the body soak in it over night.... With it disassembled of course. That stuff will eat any plastic & rubber but won't hurt the metal. If you didn't check the float as the directions stated it's possible there isn't enough gas getting through there. It's also possible it's got a bad float. You can check it by removing it filling a container with water & putting the float in there. If it sinks or seems to partially it's probably bad.

I will check the float when hubby pulls it apart!! Thanks for the tip!!!

Directions?? What are those?? LOL Just kidding. I did read them a bit. I noticed that it shows that there is supposedly a little washer looking like thing called a 'valve- pump check  It say's it is for 1971 carbs (atleast that is how I am reading it). This washer looking thing goes into the accelerater pump (a certan way) then the spring, then the gasket with the metal thing in the middle of it!  Well, when I took mine apart I had to use a pair of water pump pliers to twist the outer pump housing off the carb, it was stuck pretty good. By doing this, the spring did spring out like springs tend to do!! LOL It went right down below me. When I noticed in the instructions that there is this washer thing, I looked high and low for it on the ground. I didn't find it. Could I have an newer carb and this is the reason I don't have one? Or is mine missing and causing my problem??  How do you know what year carb you have?

Lots of questions huh? !! LOL 

Thanks for all the help.
Kim

PS, hubby say's he wants to get it running so he can get it out of his garage!!!! LOL Because of the leaky windshield it has to stay under cover and because it is not running right, it has to stay 'in' his garage, instead of under my carport!!! LOL  This makes him move a little faster on helping me with my projects, it is in his way!!! LOL
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

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r4pinto

Well there you go. The carb spray isn't as potent to break down the dirt that can be in the carb. Sounds like he's got the right idea by getting the carb dip for it. I used that for mine & let the body soak in it over night.... With it disassembled of course. That stuff will eat any plastic & rubber but won't hurt the metal. If you didn't check the float as the directions stated it's possible there isn't enough gas getting through there. It's also possible it's got a bad float. You can check it by removing it filling a container with water & putting the float in there. If it sinks or seems to partially it's probably bad.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on November 25, 2008, 08:09:08 PM
There might be some dirt in one of the ports or jets of the carb. You put on a new fuel filter? Also how were the internal adjustments, like float settings, so on & so forth..

Doh!!!!! Forgot to change the filter!!!

As far as the adjustments of float and all, I just put everything back the way it came out! I can take apart and clean and put back together, don't know much about adjustment parts of it!! LOL  When I had it almost put together, the float hung down nicely!! LOL So I'm pretty sure it is letting gas in the bowl!!! Couldn't tell you if it is letting enough gas in though!! LOL

Hubby is going to look at it. He say's he will probably see if  he can get some good (from another state) carb dip, and re do my efforts, but in more detail. I only sprayed everything down with carb cleaner in a spray can, and put all new carb kit stuff in it! Guess that didn't work to well!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

There might be some dirt in one of the ports or jets of the carb. You put on a new fuel filter? Also how were the internal adjustments, like float settings, so on & so forth..
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Well, it's back to the drawing board on the "fall on the face" problem!

I rebuilt the carb and put it back on the car today. It starts right up and idles perfect. Soon as I step on the gas, it falls on it's face.  When I took the carb apart I counted how many turns it took to take the idle screw out and the other screw that is to the left of the idle screw. I turned them that many times when I put them back in. I had read that you are supposed to screw the idle screw all the way in, then back it out 1 and a half times. So I did that and tried starting the car again. Again started right up and ran great, till I stepped on the gas. I then started messing with the screw to the left of the idle screw. I got it to where the car idled like crap by turning the screw into the carb. I started turning it back out and it would idle better but would still bogg when giving it the gas.

Where should that screw to the left of the idle screw be adjusted at? Like, how many turns from tight should I turn it back out?

I will probably just wait for hubby to get home and have him look at it. If all else fails, I may take the carb that doesn't choke worth a darn, but works great giving it gas, and put the good choke from the falls on your face carb on it! It's just so darn madning when you spend all that time rebuilding the carb to have it have the same problem!! Uggghhh!!! LOL  Wonder how much a new or re maned carb is? LOL

I will update when we figure out what the problem is. 

On another note, I ordered my windshield rubber and I got a reply the next day saying that it is either on back order or being drop shipped (don't know what the drop shipped means). So I guess it will be a while before it comes. Guess that is ok, since I can't get the darn car to run right!!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

TIGGER

In my opinion, you are better off putting in a new headliner if the threads are deteriorated.  Years ago, I  installed new window gaskets on my 67 Mustang without replacing the original headliner.  The threads were starting to deteriorate in some areas but I thought all would be the same with the new gaskets.  Well the new gaskets, front and rear, evendently put enough tension on the original headliner that it dropped when I rolled the window down.  I then went the cheap route and had the headliner glued in around the windows instead of pulling the glass again and lipping it over as it should be.  During the hot months, again with the windows down, the headliner would separate from around the rear glass.  Eventually I had enough of that and pulled the windows and replaced the headliner, this time lipping it over. 

Also, I think the Pinto's require some sealant to be leak free which will not make it easy to remove once installed.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

dave1987

Speaking of curved needles....

If your head liner does happen to tear at the seams, what I did was used a curved needle and heavy duty upholstery thread to sew the head liner back together, as well as a few loops around the tension bar every 3-4 inches. That way the headliner is still suspended every 8-10 inches like it was from the factory!

r4pinto gets a 1up from me for the curved needle comment! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on November 23, 2008, 08:35:43 PM
You could prolly take a curved needle & thread to patch it. I sorta did a typical guy repair with duck tape & staples. Funny thing is the thing is actually holding & doesn't look too bad after I hit it with flat black spray paint :)

Good luck.. looking forward to the next update. Gets me motivated to work on my 77 some more.

LOL, that is pretty good, duck tape!!! LOL

What I did with my VW Bus's headliner was use patches (the kind that have different designs and sayings) and spray glued them on. Bad thing is, they didn't stay up that long. I either used lousy spray glue or the 100 +- degree weather is just to much for them!! LOL  Maybe I will find a curved needle and sew the patches on the headliner!!! Thanks for the curved needle idea!!! :)
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

You could prolly take a curved needle & thread to patch it. I sorta did a typical guy repair with duck tape & staples. Funny thing is the thing is actually holding & doesn't look too bad after I hit it with flat black spray paint :)

Good luck.. looking forward to the next update. Gets me motivated to work on my 77 some more.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

Be careful with the headliner!

I let one of my ex's drive my car around before I got my license. She "scraped" the headliner with the baby seat while putting it in the back seat. Although it didn't truely damage the headliner, it put enough pressure and tension against it to tear the threads. From that point on it just kept tearing more and more each month.

I eventually used black gorilla tape to hold it up and out of my face when driving. I have since removed the tape and temporarily sewn the headliner back together at the seams so it isn't so ghetto looking. It isn't perfect, but it's better than tape! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on November 23, 2008, 08:10:44 PM
Not a problem. I saw your link on the windshield seal so I'll definitely be saving it for when I have the cash to replace my seal. It's been siliconed last year & more cracks develop. I gotta get a headliner then as well since the windshield has to be out to replace it.

I too wanted to wait to replace the rubber. I need to paint the car yet and although the headliner is in decent condition, it does have a few rips in it. So it would be nice to eventually replace it. Hubby say's that he will be able to get the windshield and rubber back out if we need to! He say's it is just like a VW bug on the way it is installed. He used to do it all the time with them!! So I decided it would be easier to solve the leaks, which go up under the dash too, by just doing the seal now! I most likely wont be putting a headliner in for a few years anyway, unless the current one gets any worse then it is now. I will take pics of it tomorrow. Maybe you all will have ideas on how to "patch" the rips for now!!!!

Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Not a problem. I saw your link on the windshield seal so I'll definitely be saving it for when I have the cash to replace my seal. It's been siliconed last year & more cracks develop. I gotta get a headliner then as well since the windshield has to be out to replace it.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on November 23, 2008, 07:49:19 PM
Looks good Kim.

For the grille you can paint it with a can of Dupli color aluminum truck paint. It won't look perfect but it will look alright. I used that color on my 77s grille since it was fading & it looked good as new.

Thanks, Yah I figured I would paint it later!! I am just being anxious to get her on the road!!!! LOL Although I do have to wait for that windshield rubber to come in before I can drive her in the rain!! LOL

Thanks for the tip on the paint!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Looks good Kim.

For the grille you can paint it with a can of Dupli color aluminum truck paint. It won't look perfect but it will look alright. I used that color on my 77s grille since it was fading & it looked good as new.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Today I didn't get much done on the green machine!  We had to get the firewood stacked and also worked on my bird's outdoor aviary. Once all that was done I went to do a few things on the green machine.

I did another water leak test and I did manage to seal the one I found yesterday, but I found a new one! LOL I decided that I will just buy a new rubber, the correct way to do it!! LOL

After that failed water test, the green machine went to the dentist!!! Check out it's grille!!!!! LOL


I am not to thrilled about the black (someone else sprayed it with black paint) but it has all of it's teeth!! I borrowed the grille from the brown car! When I find a good silver grille I will give the brown car it's black grille back!!

I also rebuilt the original carb from the green machine today! I discovered that the accelerator pump was the problem!! (some of you had mentioned that!!) It was stuck and wouldn't budge, hince making the engine fall on it's face!  It is all cleaned up and put back together, so I will hopefully put it back on the car tomorrow. If not it will be done sometime this week!! Then hopefully all will be well!!!  The borrowed carb that is on the car now has been rigged to keep the choke from choking and it is a pain in the rear to keep the car running when it is cold!

I will update when an update is available again!!! LOL

All for now!!!

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

75bobcatv6

Kim it actually looks good with the Darker green VS the other lighter almost tealish green.

r4pinto

Lookin good Kim.. Nice to see your hard work paying off.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Ok, I got some more done!

I got the door painted on the outside. It is a bit to dark, but it will do for now and it is better then yellow!!


I also got the radio installed. Because I found a bezel that was already cut up, I decided to put a regular radio in the green machine!! I will save the stock radio and bezel though!!

I still need to make a package shelf, shelf! LOL But for now I will probably just cover the speakers with a towel or small blanket!


I also added a girly touch to it!!! :)




I used clear silicone on my windshield leaks and I actually stopped 2 of them. I found one more while checking it and I have put silicone on that spot and will check it tomorrow. If it doesn't work, I will just break down and buy a new gasket. I was trying to put it off till I was ready to paint is, so I wouldn't have to worry about getting paint on the new gasket. Hubby then reminded me that we can mask off the gasket too!! LOL I had a blonde moment!!! LOL

That's all for now!!! :)

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Looks to be coming along.

A little advice... Get a can of PB Blaster from the auto parts store. That stuff will help with rusty bolts 100% better than WD40.

With these old cars you need all the help you can get & 9 times out of 10 PB Blaster has helped with rusted nuts & bolts.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Update on the Green Machine!

Well today I started out on the mission of R&Ring the driver front fender on the grey and yellow cars to do the swap. ( I will start a new project thread on that car later) Once the fender was off, I started to remove the door (yellow car). I tried to get the bolts out of the hinges at the body. After 3 broke, I gave up and went and looked at the Green Machine and realized with it's fender on, we wouldn't be able to get to the body bolts easily, so I went back to the yellow car and started removeing the door from the bolts on the door. That was working better. I started soaking the bolts in WD40 and slowly started working the bolts back and forth. I only broke one bolt!! Hubby worked on it and got the broken peice out for me!!


Hubby then took the door off of the Green Machine while I was working on putting the yellow fender on the grey car.


We switched out the door handle and lock so my key will still fit the new door (yellow door). Then we decided to pull the half way good gasket off of the green door and put it on the new yellow door, since that one was bad. Hubby then said that I should atleast paint the door jams black for now so it is not yellow on the inside. So I cleaned the door up, wire brushed the rust and then sprayed flat back on the jams and the inner part of the door!




This is where I had to stop for the day. We have to let the paint dry so we can mount the new door on the Green Machine. This will get rid of the bondo door!! 

I think I will try to find some green paint to halfway match the car, and paint the outside skin of the door. That way it won't look funny being yellow!!! LOL

I will need to do the same thing with the passenger door, but that will have to wait a bit. Hubby decided he wants to strip the yellow car of all stuff we want to keep, so we can give the body to our neighbor and get it out of our way!!! Then I can start swapping again, and when I get the things I don't want off of my Green Machine, I can give them to him!!

All for now!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Good to hear about your brakes looking good. The hoses & lines in good shape as well I take? What color is the brake fluid?

Looks like you got two spare clutch forks if I am guessing right. With these cars it's a good thing to have spare pieces. I got a full shelf of spare parts from an old parts car I used to have.  ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Quote from: Reed on November 14, 2008, 10:20:09 PM
Nice!  I always have liked green cars.

Get some Meguiar's car polish and make it shine!

I bought some light polishing compound, but haven't polished it yet. I have some people telling me I should leave it because it has good Patina (I think that is the word)!! I'm still debating on what "I" want to do!!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Ok, tonight we pulled the wheels and drums off. The brakes and brake lines look almost new!!! Even the wheel cylinders looked new. I think someone has recently put some money into the brakes!! Good for me, now I don't have too!!! LOL  We put everything back together and adjusted the brakes.

I was amazed on how nice the undercarriage looked. There was only one spot that had a little rust on it, and that was the passenger rear floor board. There is a hole that is smaller then a dime, maybe a quarter of a dime. Nothing a little fiberglass can't fix!! LOL

I was also amazed on how clean it was compared to the grey car. The grey car had a bunch of oil and grime all over the tranny, the green car is emaculate compared to it!! LOL Hubby did say that he thinks the tranny is smaller then the grey car though??? I couldn't find a number on the bottem, but then again, I didn't look to hard!  I am missing the boot that goes over the clutch thingymabob! You know what I'm talking about right? LOL It is the arm that sticks out the side of the tranny that the cable hooks to! LOL The thingymabob!!  ;D

Here is a pic of the thingymabob!  For some reason my car had 2 of them in the rear floor board when I got it. Is it common for these to go bad?


Tomorrow I need to adjust the brake light switch on the pedal and also look at the pedals better. We didn't have time to look into the reason they are both moving at the same time. Although they don't move really bad, and I don't know how bad it actually is now that we adjusted the brake up!!

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA