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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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pintogirl

Maybe you can make a deal that he gets the guitar now and you will make payments on the 300, he holds the Pink till you pay it off???
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Sadly it's not looking good now. Gil just emailed me a few minutes ago and wants $300 AND the guitar. If I had it I would, but money is tight here too. Unless a small miracle happens by Friday (tax refund) Green Bean will likely go to someone who'll trash her the rest of the way before dumping her at a junkyard. Damn Arnold S!  :'( :'( :'(
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Kim is right.. Driving a stick is a piece of cake once you learn how. I learned back in 1997, and haven't driven one for a couple years, but if I were to recharge the battery of that car I could drive her with no problem.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on April 08, 2009, 09:14:07 PM
GAWD!!! I HATE THIS &^$%#@(*&! COMPUTER OR PHONE MODEM OR WHATEVER IS TIMING ME OUT WHEN I'M REPLYING!!! ARRRRGH!!!!!!!!!!!!

     That's done. No, there's nothing special about green, but I like that color.Her interior is (break out your big box of Crayolas) Spring Green. I know folks have, er, rather creative names for that shade of green that "loosely" resembles the output of a cretain mucus membrane. The Green Bean needs attention to her interior. The steering wheel is #1 on that list.  I'm hoping by Friday she'll be sittin' pretty in the driveway next to Wildfire. Now to ge the hang of the 4-speed manual gearbox. I hope I can...



You can do it Becky!!! Driving a stick can be really alot of fun!!! Specially if it is a Mazda Miata!!!!! LOL You'll get the hang of it and you will feel you are driving a sport Pinto!!!  ;D

So, who's going to Knotts now??? Wildfire or Forrest?? LOL You know, Forrest green!! LOL Ok, yah, I don't know if it is Forrest green but the name just came out!! LOL Kinda like Forrest Gump!!  ;D :D  Oops, forgot you already named her Green Bean!! I like that better!!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

GAWD!!! I HATE THIS &^$%#@(*&! COMPUTER OR PHONE MODEM OR WHATEVER IS TIMING ME OUT WHEN I'M REPLYING!!! ARRRRGH!!!!!!!!!!!!

     That's done. No, there's nothing special about green, but I like that color.Her interior is (break out your big box of Crayolas) Spring Green. I know folks have, er, rather creative names for that shade of green that "loosely" resembles the output of a cretain mucus membrane. The Green Bean needs attention to her interior. The steering wheel is #1 on that list.  I'm hoping by Friday she'll be sittin' pretty in the driveway next to Wildfire. Now to ge the hang of the 4-speed manual gearbox. I hope I can...

One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

I tell ya, you & Kim must be living in the right area to get a nice Pinto. When my brother goes out there for his job I should tell him to bring me one home lol... That is if the two of you haven't already bought them all up lol
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Ok, I went out and meditated with my Pinto to help send more "Ju Ju" to you and the soon to your green Pinto!!!

jujujujujujujuju!!!!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

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Pintosopher

Pinto Ju Ju? Is that like a Car Ma Thing? Is it important that the car is green(Envy color)? Pintosophy needs another chapter added for JuJu.

Looking for Gumby

Pokey aka :Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

r4pinto

All hail Pinto juju.. I must find a vega to sacrifice to the Pinto Gods to seal the deal.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

I can definitely understand being particular about a guitar. Mine's not a vintage model but it's a beautiful instrument to play as well as look at.


   Here's an update: Gil brought the Green Bean (see I already named her!!!) by and I got a lesson in driving stick. He said he was impressed with my enthusiasm but he still has to think about the trade. I'll know either way by Friday. The JuJu's working Kim! Keep sending it down!!!  :D
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

the last guitar i had was a 1980 fender stratocaster, with the pearl pick guard, capo and all the accesories. was a christmas present in 2000 from my first wife, had to sell it in 2003 to make a car payment. been lookin ever since for another guitar, and well.. Im really picky about those.

blupinto

It's a Rickenbacker 330 in Fireglo. Picture George Harrison's 360 12-string- except mine has 6 strings and an "R" tailpiece. It comes with hardshell case. However, the guy with the wagon is bringing the Pinto around today at 2 pm or so. He needs to lose the wagon by this weekend because he's moving. I was asking $900 for the Ricky- less than what I bought it for in 2005. It's a 2000 model. I love this guitar, but I want the little wagon more. I really can't explain. I would love for someone who loves guitars to have it. 

P.S. Kitten not included! ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

That guitar for sale? How much? I might be able to get the funds for that. It would Entertain my kids and Get me back in practice. What kind is it?

blupinto

BREAKING NEWS:

          It is rumored that a green '73 Pinto wagon will make an appearance at an Oceanside woman's house sometime tomorrow. Authorities say that jubilant screaming will be heard as far away as Riverside County and beyond. One source noted a Rickenbacker may be involved. Stay tuned...
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Some people's toes are so long they can pinch! So crossing them would be a breeze. lol. I do have a musician friend who might be interested in buying it and at least I know it will have a good home (and maybe I can buy it back someday too!) ;D  dga57, you are too funny! But thank you for your faith in me. I'm even thinking of a name for the wagon. I'd better not tell. It might jinx me getting it and render the JuJu vibes Kim sent me! I'm still feeling that car in my driveway...
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

Okay... you couldn't negotiate a trade with the guitar.  Do you have any musician friends who would be interested in buying it?  Could you sell it on CL or eBay?  I know you're dealing with a tight time frame, but you never know.  Think outside the box, girl!  That wagon is callin' your name!
Dwayne :smile:
(fingers AND toes crossed)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

Bless you Kim. You're really good at sending good vibes this way. The truth is, why am I so ga-ga about this wagon? I can't even drive it! lol. It's a stick. The guy, Gil, assures me it's a trustworthy little beast. And anybody who not only offers delivery but a quick stick lesson to boot is gold to me. He sounds like a funny guy. So yes, send plenty of JooJoo or JuJu or Mojo (oh, he's here! lol.) or just plain good ol' good vibes. I'll take all the help I can.  :smile:
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

I'm sending good Pinto joojoo to you!!! I hope things work out!! I know how you feel when you see that poor little Pinto sitting in that persons yard and they just don't love it like it should be loved. You are so wanting to rescue the poor thing!!! That is how I felt when I saw the Ghost, but luckily for me, we had the funds at the time to get her. I have since stopped looking on CL just because I really don't have the funds right now to get more, nor do I have the room, yet!! LOL Will be gaining some room here soon though!! LOL

Good luck!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

It doesn't look good. Why is it that when I can spare cash I'm either a) not interested in a car (2or 3+ years ago) or b) there's not a Pinto anywhere nearby? I realize I don't "need" yet another car but I was feeling this car. I could virtually see her in the driveway next to Wildfire. Oh well. I guess I get to keep my guitar.

     It appears the wagon has red primer(?) on the cowl and a few small dings but it wasn't going to be a show car anyway. I had such grand plans.  :'(

         Further developments may emerge. Stay tuned...
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Quote from: 78squirewagon on April 05, 2009, 11:15:47 AM
It's easier for me to call the two door hard top "the coupe" then it is just to say I am looking for another Pinto. People get confused because I have two wagons  ;D
If you look up the word coupe it means something like two door hard top and yes I know it's a hatchback but it's cooler calling it a coupe.

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I got a Malibu Maxx, and according to Chevy it is a hatchback. I do anything to avoid calling it a hatchback.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

Thank you for your faith in me. I have a peaceful feeling about this. In my heart I know she'll be mine. :)  A couple minutes ago I hit upon a plan. I don't know if he'd be willing to take payments, and he wants to be rid of the car in nine (eight now) days. But I wonder if he's a musician... it would hurt a little but if he was interested I think I would trade my 2000 Rickenbacker 330 guitar almost gladly for the green wagon. Then I wouldn't go into more debt and could actually learn more (manual tranny, 2000 cc engine...) but as I said it would hurt...

        I think there's a way. It all comes down to what do I want more... a guitar I can barely play (but love all the same) or a Pinto who's numbers get fewer and fewer...?
One can never have too many Pintos!

78squirewagon

It's easier for me to call the two door hard top "the coupe" then it is just to say I am looking for another Pinto. People get confused because I have two wagons  ;D
If you look up the word coupe it means something like two door hard top and yes I know it's a hatchback but it's cooler calling it a coupe.
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

r4pinto

Becky, I say if you really want it & it's meant to be then it will. I pulled it up & that is a nice looking wagon. One thing I noticed & gotta wonder.. Is the cowel just repainted or has it been replaced lol. I would see if he is willing to do payments, especially since he is willing to lower the price for stick shift lessons. You never know.

Mark, I know why you had given up on finding a coupe... Because they don't exist! lmao.. Seriously though, I know what you mean. You were looking for a non-wagon Pinto. I do like how that one you got looks.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

78squirewagon

GOOD LUCK!! I had given up on finding a coupe to have fun in when I finally got word on Jr. And the fact that it's a sibling to my red wagon made the wait worth it  :D  Yeah times are tough but look at it this way, if they were better, it would be harder to get the little cars cheap so .....
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

dga57

Becky,

I'm a firm believer in the old adage, "where there's a will, there's a way!"

The man selling the wagon certainly sounds like an accomodating sort...  might he be willing to let you make payments?  Maybe a lay-away-type plan where he wouldn't actually deliver the car until you've finished with the payments?  I don't know... there's bound to be a way if you think about it enough! 

I'm keeping MY fingers crossed for you... and I'll bet a lot of other folks are too.

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

Please don't mind me. I just had to pour my anguish somewhere. I'm going to see what I can do to make this dream a reality. Cross your fingers for me!  :)
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Wildfire's mom (me) wants another bouncing baby Pinto. San Diego craigslist has a dark green Pinto wagon for $950. mommy starts to dream of taking the pooches out in it- especially since it's easier for Mojo (11 years old) to get in a Pinto than a Rodeo- plus more room for three large dogs. But no mon no fun, even though the man offered a reduced price- plus delivery and a, er, crash course in driving a stick shift. I have no right to want yet another car right now in these tough times.

     Still, I dream...in green. Where's my money tree!?! :'(
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Heck yeah!....

WAIT! My words aren't invisible!!! Whoo-hoo!  BTW, the site looks great...

Anyway, that would be pretty cool, the technology through the years in my little gem... and get this: a friend at work Wednesday had his ipod not connected to his pickup (I drove the Baby to work and got a few positive comments- including one from him) and he showed me his ipod with this doodad on it that lets him play through the speakers in his truck without a port or an adapter (like my Rodeo has).
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on December 03, 2008, 09:56:30 PM
You could always do what I am gonna do with my 77... I installed an am/fm 8 track & have two adapters for it... an 8 track to cassette adapter, and the cassette adapter for the ipod. Talk aout your time travels... from the 8 track era to the digital age lol.

That is what I would like to do. Just need to find the 8 track radio and the cassette adaptor! I have the ipod!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA