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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Pinto5.0

Quote from: derekrichmond15@yahoo.com on September 28, 2014, 04:10:44 PM
I'm interested in purchasing your parts I have a 77 full glass hatch car that all parts are in need please get back to me with pricing &shipping please.

Just email Mike direct at 73turbopinto@gmail.com
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

derekrichmond15@yahoo.com

I'm interested in purchasing your parts I have a 77 full glass hatch car that all parts are in need please get back to me with pricing &shipping please.
1977 408W stroked pinto

Pintosopher

Quote from: map351 on May 08, 2014, 06:56:25 AM
Your on Pintocrack like the rest of us!

Been on Pinto Crack  for 25 years, There is no 12 step, you just keep on tweaking! But suspenders do help with the Crack presence! ;D
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

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78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

map351

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on May 08, 2014, 02:24:45 AM

Anytime  ;D  I'm glad I can help out. I'll bring the fenders when I grab the wagon. I wont be ready to use them till next year anyhow. I need to start chipping away at my to-do list or I'm in deep trouble.....

Your on Pintocrack like the rest of us!
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Pinto5.0

Quote from: map351 on May 07, 2014, 06:59:21 AM
Thanks Keith for letting me use your spoilers for the mold making. I forgot you had the fender like Derrick you could have brought them too.

Mike

Anytime  ;D  I'm glad I can help out. I'll bring the fenders when I grab the wagon. I wont be ready to use them till next year anyhow. I need to start chipping away at my to-do list or I'm in deep trouble.....
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

popbumper

Vega? hadn't seen one in YEARS until about a month ago while driving towards Alamagordo NM....there was one sitting in a used car lot with a variety of other unusual cars, and it was a PANEL WAGON. Wow, that was neat to see, only because I believe they are more rare than Pintos!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

map351

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on March 10, 2014, 02:11:27 AM

I have both 77-78 & 79-80 front spoilers. If you want I can bring them to Canfield in may for you to mold from. I wont need either of them for quite awhile.

Thanks Keith for letting me use your spoilers for the mold making. I forgot you had the fender like Derrick you could have brought them too.

Mike
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Pinto5.0

Quote from: map351 on March 09, 2014, 11:32:27 AM
If you or someone sends me a good one to make a mold from.

Mike

I have both 77-78 & 79-80 front spoilers. If you want I can bring them to Canfield in may for you to mold from. I wont need either of them for quite awhile.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

map351

Quote from: dick1172762 on March 09, 2014, 10:50:46 AM
Mike! Do you ever plan on making a 79/80 Rally front spoiler. That seems to be a very rare item. Hope you do.

If you or someone sends me a good one to make a mold from.

Mike
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dick1172762

Mike! Do you ever plan on making a 79/80 Rally front spoiler. That seems to be a very rare item. Hope you do.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

map351

Quote from: Scott Hamilton on March 08, 2014, 08:06:04 AM
Brian, did your kit come from Mike?  For the many years I have seen your fantastic pinto, I did not know that... Did you lengthen the rails when you stretched it?


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Scott Brian got the Hotpants from me he's a just over a few hills, I made a long front section because of the LWB the side skirts were short. The front spoiler is the Epoxy resin experiment.

Mike
73 2.3Turbo Pinto
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Scott Hamilton

Brian, did your kit come from Mike?  For the many years I have seen your fantastic pinto, I did not know that... Did you lengthen the rails when you stretched it?


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Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

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     hot pants are SWEET

map351

Quote from: Scott Hamilton on March 06, 2014, 09:27:50 PM
I think if Mike wants to put a Vega (God forbid) on his profile pic, I would stand by him. He is very important to our little community... Map Man... :D

Vega!!!! Not a chance!

I'll stick with the Cortina Wagon 8)
73 2.3Turbo Pinto
6S1941 / 289 Slab Side
40 Ford Sedan Delivery  For Sale

Pinto FiberGlass
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Scott Hamilton

Quote from: map351 on March 06, 2014, 09:43:53 AM
I like Blue wagons..

I think if Mike wants to put a Vega (God forbid) on his profile pic, I would stand by him. He is very important to our little community... Map Man... :D
Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

dianne

Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

map351

Quote from: cannonball on January 07, 2013, 03:14:06 AM
hey buddy how come you have john atkinsons mk1 cortina estate car as your profile picture.....

I like Blue wagons..
73 2.3Turbo Pinto
6S1941 / 289 Slab Side
40 Ford Sedan Delivery  For Sale

Pinto FiberGlass
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dianne

WOW, I need those on my wagon. What's he charging for them? Sending an email :)
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

derekrichmond15@yahoo.com

My car still pushing cows lol. Next summer I will have the $$ please please don't stop!!
1977 408W stroked pinto

Pinto5.0

I wondered what was happening with the air dams. I have had the money set aside for a year.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Reeves1

He is also making the front air dam like on my car now.

I get to pick mine up in MT in a few days !

Cookieboystoys

1st kit I got from Pintony minus the rear spoiler

2nd and 3 original kits I found on Ebay (haven't seen one for sale since)

Quote from: joebob on October 06, 2013, 02:21:07 PM
Cookieboy
You may have done this already, but tell us how you found your hotpants kit


You'll have to contact Mike if you want Pinto fiberglass

contact Mike at 73turbopinto @ gmail.com for more info"   ;D
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: joebob on October 06, 2013, 02:21:07 PM
Cookieboy
You may have done this already, but tell us how you found your hotpants kit
"Mike is the one making and selling them.

I only helped to get the word out and provided the original kit for Mike to make the molds.

You'll have to contact Mike if you want Pinto fiberglass

contact Mike at 73turbopinto @ gmail.com for more info"   ;D
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

JoeBob

Cookieboy
You may have done this already, but tell us how you found your hotpants kit
77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9

Cookieboystoys

just wanted to repost this, recently a couple people have contacted "me" to get a kit....

I don't make or sell them, that is all on Mike.

Mike is the one making and selling them.

I only helped to get the word out and provided the original kit for Mike to make the molds.

You'll have to contact Mike if you want Pinto fiberglass

contact Mike at 73turbopinto @ gmail.com for more info

Quote from: Cookieboystoys on October 26, 2011, 08:31:33 AM
Mike has put a lot of time and hard work into making these for us that want a vintage body kit for our Pintos and it shows. The quality is fantastic and since I provided the original NOS kit to make the molds from and have seen and compaired the results I am really happy Mike was willing to do this for us. He's also working on fiberglass bumper replacements for the late model Pintos.

These kits or parts can be ordered as wanted...

rear spoiler for hatchback or sedan = all years

sides and rear spats for hatchback, sedan and now wagons (never before available)

and the front spoiler for 1971 - 1973 only

contact Mike at 73turbopinto @ gmail.com for more info

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGRjJONoafc

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

cannonball


hey buddy how come you have john atkinsons mk1 cortina estate car as your profile picture.....

map351

73 2.3Turbo Pinto
6S1941 / 289 Slab Side
40 Ford Sedan Delivery  For Sale

Pinto FiberGlass
https://picasaweb.google.com/73turbopinto/PintoHotpantsKitNewFrontAirdam

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: 1975PintoMPG on January 06, 2013, 09:26:36 AM
Am I right to assume that this repro kit is still available? Also, I couldn't help but notice that the front spoiler wasn't in the video. Only the rear spoiler and side pieces were shown. It's not a complete kit without the front spoiler and realistically that's the most important part.

yes it's still available, the front spoiler wasn't available when the video was made but is now... I have one. But if you have a 1975 as your name might suggest the front spoiler will only work for 1971 - 1973, this has been mentioned before, with the larger bumpers and changes made in 1974 and up the front spoiler will not work with the newer body style. However all other parts to the kit will fit and work for all years.

Mike can be reached at 73turbopinto@gmail.com or 724-845-2860
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

1975PintoMPG

Am I right to assume that this repro kit is still available? Also, I couldn't help but notice that the front spoiler wasn't in the video. Only the rear spoiler and side pieces were shown. It's not a complete kit without the front spoiler and realistically that's the most important part.