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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

1977 Pinto- project in the works

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r4pinto

a couple more pics.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Pics of the car!!!
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Carlisle went great! The car did alright, aside from getting pulled over for a headlight that went out after I left the house, exhaust that kept falling, & a bad ball joint. I took some pics of the car & will get them posted, as well as some of her at Carlisle. As for the balljoint I had been given one by a nice guy at Carlisle & was going to install it, but found out the entire front suspension is shot. All the bushings are dry rotted & the upper ball joints are also showing age. Just to be safe I got a front suspension kit from ebay, as well as new coil springs that will be getting installed. I previously replaced the tie rod ends, so after I get these parts on she should feel good & tight up front. As for the rear I bought a pair of leaf springs from sedandelivery when at Carlisle & will be installing those, as well as a pair of nearly new rear shocks. With all those parts the car will handle fantastic! When I have the funds I will be getting the sway bar installed, since I have to get the links for it. The bar came from my 78 parts car & has been sitting since.

Pics to come soon!
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

The interior is all back together, she runs great & just needs a few mechanicals done for the trip. I did have to take the driver side mirror back off the car because for reasons not even known to Maaco for whatever reason they taped off the bottom of the mirror & it wasn't painted. The mgr felt bad about that when I went to get the car Saturday, so they told me if I bring the mirror in they will get it painted. No harm, no foul, as accidents happen from time to time. My Dad is going to drop the mirror to Maaco tomorrow after he gets off work.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: dga57 on May 28, 2011, 08:15:07 PM
PLUS it's a good excuse to visit Hooters! :surprised:   :drunk: :hypno: 

Dwayne :smile:

;)  Hehe  ;)
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on May 28, 2011, 08:00:38 PM
It will be nice to see you too Dwayne... I might be having a mini-unveiling on May 30th. There is a car show at a Hooters about 20 minutes away from me, so if I get her all back together I will be taking her to that car show. I don't care if I get any awards or not but it would be cool if she did at the first car show since the repaint.

PLUS it's a good excuse to visit Hooters! :surprised:   :drunk: :hypno: 

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

It will be nice to see you too Dwayne... I might be having a mini-unveiling on May 30th. There is a car show at a Hooters about 20 minutes away from me, so if I get her all back together I will be taking her to that car show. I don't care if I get any awards or not but it would be cool if she did at the first car show since the repaint.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on May 28, 2011, 07:40:21 PM
June 3rd. I work June 2nd, so I won't be able to leave until after I get off work then. My dad & I are going to go so far June 2nd, then finish the trip June 3rd.

I'll be there all day Friday, but have to return home Friday night because my son's high school graduation is Saturday.  Can't miss that!  I'll be back in Carlisle on Sunday morning.  Looking forward to finally meeting you!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

June 3rd. I work June 2nd, so I won't be able to leave until after I get off work then. My dad & I are going to go so far June 2nd, then finish the trip June 3rd.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

When are you planning to arrive in Carlisle?  I'm going to meet up with the Stampede at the Flight 93 Memorial on Thursday, June 2nd and follow them in.

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Oh it will be worth it! The car is oh, so shiney!! lol
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on May 27, 2011, 12:09:36 PM
Suspense until the official unveiling at Carlisle. Then I will be posting the pics on the site after Friday. I am gonna print off pics & put them on  a poster in a frame, to show the pics of when I bought the car, when I got her ready for paint, & after paint. It's all in my head, so I just gotta do it.

I'll just hold my breath until we get to Carlisle, then! :reek:

Dwayne :lol:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Suspense until the official unveiling at Carlisle. Then I will be posting the pics on the site after Friday. I am gonna print off pics & put them on  a poster in a frame, to show the pics of when I bought the car, when I got her ready for paint, & after paint. It's all in my head, so I just gotta do it.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on May 27, 2011, 06:12:40 AM
Saturday

Fantastic!  Are you going to post photos, or keep us in suspense until Carlisle?

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on May 26, 2011, 08:28:20 PM
Exciting news!!!!!

My Dad was working across the street from Maaco, so he stopped in there to see how things are coming with the car. He told me the driver door that was all dented up bigtime looks like it was never damaged at all! He told me they were sanding the car, getting ready for the color... I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Sounds great!  When is it supposed to be ready?

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

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It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

r4pinto

Exciting news!!!!!

My Dad was working across the street from Maaco, so he stopped in there to see how things are coming with the car. He told me the driver door that was all dented up bigtime looks like it was never damaged at all! He told me they were sanding the car, getting ready for the color... I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on May 23, 2011, 07:52:25 AM
The car went to Maaco last night. I had her all sanded down to the original colors & removed everything I could from the car. The only things that were on there were the headlights, wipers, & driver door handle. She looks very ugly right now but the end result will be worth it. I will post before & after pics, but only after I get the car back together. The mystery continues lol.

You're right, Matt... there are few things less attractive than a car that has been sanded, stripped of its trimwork, and prepped for painting!  I had my '79 Collector's Series Lincoln taken down to bare metal when we painted it and it was NOT a pretty sight.  As you predicted however, the end result was well worth it!  Can't wait to see Harold II!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

The car went to Maaco last night. I had her all sanded down to the original colors & removed everything I could from the car. The only things that were on there were the headlights, wipers, & driver door handle. She looks very ugly right now but the end result will be worth it. I will post before & after pics, but only after I get the car back together. The mystery continues lol.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Hey Matt,
They look pretty good in there!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

The front seats are all bolted in!! I made a bracket for the driver side as well, since if I moved the bolt holes on the left I woulda drilled right through a brake line & gas line. Not good. The install went alright though, & the bolster even sewed up nicely.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Literally just in time Dwayne... I am even thinking of installing speakers in the doors. I just can't stand not being able to listen to the music while driving with the window's open.  I did get the passenger seat in the car today& am going to work on modding a bracket for the driver seat tomorrow.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Sounds like you're going to have Harold II all spiffed up just in time for Carlisle.  Looking forward to seeing you there!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Got an appointment to get the car painted a week from now & got 4 tires ordered from tire discounters for $300.00! The car is going to be ready one way or another... Even if it means late nights. Currently I have half the car sanded back down to the original colors. I say colors, as I replaced the hood & RF fender at one point, so the original car color is medium saddle metallic, the RF fender is a mint green, & the hood is dark blue. Not too much sanding & filling, then the car will be ready for paint.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

I did the mod to the Tempo passenger seat & it is going according to plan. The problem I was running in to was the hump for the convertor was in the way. Rather than take a hammer to the car & make it fit as is I took a sheet of 22 gauge sheet metal & fabricated a bracket to move the passenger left bracket over about three inches on the seat. I bolted it up & it works great! I still need to trim the metal & mod the spring cover for the seat but no problem with that. Those are minor issues, as the seat will bolt right up & look great. The driver seat just needs to have one hole drilled for the floor, as the seat brackets moved over about an inch on that side.

Pics to come soon!
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thanks Dwayne! I actually made the appointment for 5/16. I will be taking her to Maaco on 5/15 & deciding on the color then. In the mean time I am doing all the body & interior work I can do. Gotta work on them doors some tonight, & get the new shocks I got off ebay on the front. Then go over the rear brakes & while I have the rear in the air I am going to fix the rear leaf & replace the rear shocks as well. She should drive a lot better then.  ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Those should make for a nice upgrade, and the gray will look just fine in a blue car, once Harold II is painted!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

I am also thinking of modding the rear seat back of the Tempo/Topaz & using the seat bottom from a set of front buckets from a Tempo/Topaz to go in the back, so I have a uniform look. We will see if my idea will work, but I think it will. It's amazing what you will think of when you have a few 16 oz beers in your system lmao.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

I finally did it!! I have been wanting to replace the front seats with some from a Tempo/Topaz & I finally got a pair for the car. While I wanted blue they were hard to come by so I settled on grey. On the Tempo/Topaz the common color is either red or grey, with Blue or tan being hard to come by. Oh well, better grey seats than the worn out seats in the car with crappy seat covers on them. The driver side bolster needs sewn up but that's not too bad, as I have done that before lol. I have to fab up a bracket to make the passenger side fit but the driver side fits with almost no issues.

Here are some pics of them as of yet.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress