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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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MissMarie88

it had something to do witht he starter. and as soon as i get some decent pics i will...

Pintony

Quote from: MissMarie88 on April 03, 2008, 09:50:21 PM
Well it is running great now so thank all of you so much for your help. I really appreciate it!!
Hello MissMarie88,
Did you find out what was knocking?
Post a photo of your ride if you can....
From Pintony

MissMarie88

Well it is running great now so thank all of you so much for your help. I really appreciate it!!

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: Pintony on April 02, 2008, 09:31:17 AM
Hello MissMarie88,
Is it possible that your Pinto engine is in a dune buggy?
From Pintony


Just curoius? The details are important when trying to diagnose problems.
Very few Pintos came with temp. guage.
And you stated that your car did not have a speedo or at least a odometer.
Anyway. to answer your question.
If the Temp guage is electrical then the sender may have gone bad or the guage my have a short??
From Pintony


wow... the details you pick up on sometimes...

you really are the Pinto Grand PooBAH or as lencost said... should it be the Pinto Grand Psychic?
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Pintony

Quote from: MissMarie88 on April 02, 2008, 01:08:18 PM
Well perhaps it is in a dune buggy that does not lessen the fact that I like the Pinto. My dad used to have one  so when I saw a dune buggy with that particular type of motor in it I jumped all over it. I was afraid you would judge me in a negative way and then not help me if you knew I don't have an actaul ford pinto car...I really hope that is not the case though because I have really come to liking talking to you and the other people on this site. You just about all are quite friendly...
Hello MissMarie88,
I just like the German 2.0! I do not care what it is in???
From Pintony

Pintony

Quote from: pintosopher on April 01, 2008, 12:46:46 PM
Miss Marie ,
Pintony is correct in his reponse about the complexity of my explanation, I did not know if your car had an aftermarket cam sprocket, hence the complexity of my dialogue. If it's stock , then his advice is easiest to follow.

I'll leave you to the capable , forthright , zen pintomasters...

Pintosopher

Hello Pintosopher,
Your input is most welcome.
Two minds are better than one.
I think WE are both correct!!!
From Pintony

lencost

Quote from: Pintony on April 02, 2008, 09:31:17 AM
Hello MissMarie88,
Is it possible that your Pinto engine is in a dune buggy?
From Pintony
Just curoius? The details are important when trying to diagnose problems.
Very few Pintos came with temp. guage.
And you stated that your car did not have a speedo or at least a odometer.
Anyway. to answer your question.
If the Temp guage is electrical then the sender may have gone bad or the guage my have a short??
From Pintony


Pinto Grand PooBAH or Pinto Grand Psychic?
1975 Wagon 8" C4 2.8 V6

MissMarie88

Well perhaps it is in a dune buggy that does not lessen the fact that I like the Pinto. My dad used to have one  so when I saw a dune buggy with that particular type of motor in it I jumped all over it. I was afraid you would judge me in a negative way and then not help me if you knew I don't have an actaul ford pinto car...I really hope that is not the case though because I have really come to liking talking to you and the other people on this site. You just about all are quite friendly...

turbopinto72

Or it has a bad ground wire.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Pintony

Hello MissMarie88,
Is it possible that your Pinto engine is in a dune buggy?
From Pintony

Quote from: MissMarie88 on April 02, 2008, 09:24:20 AM
What would make you ask something like that and even if that were the case what would that matter?  :lol:
Just curoius? The details are important when trying to diagnose problems.
Very few Pintos came with temp. guage.
And you stated that your car did not have a speedo or at least a odometer.
Anyway. to answer your question.
If the Temp guage is electrical then the sender may have gone bad or the guage my have a short??
From Pintony

MissMarie88

What would make you ask something like that and even if that were the case what would that matter?  :lol:

Pintony

Quote from: MissMarie88 on April 01, 2008, 07:55:29 PM
Would anyone perhaps have any idea what would cause the temperature gauge to go out?

Hello MissMarie88,
Is it possible that your Pinto engine is in a dune buggy?
From Pintony

MissMarie88

Would anyone perhaps have any idea what would cause the temperature gauge to go out?

MissMarie88

Pintosopher,

I do appreciate your help and everything very much none the less.


Have A Good Day,
Marie

Pintosopher

Miss Marie ,
Pintony is correct in his reponse about the complexity of my explanation, I did not know if your car had an aftermarket cam sprocket, hence the complexity of my dialogue. If it's stock , then his advice is easiest to follow.

I'll leave you to the capable , forthright , zen pintomasters...

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

MissMarie88

i dont know how many miles. there is no odometer...

Pintony

Quote from: MissMarie88 on April 01, 2008, 10:44:04 AM
I just got it so I don't know how long it has been sitting for. Previous owner said no rebuild and it is a 4spd
How many miles?
Has your Pinto been taken care of or abused?
What part of the country are you in?
From Pintony

MissMarie88

I just got it so I don't know how long it has been sitting for. Previous owner said no rebuild and it is a 4spd

Pintony

Quote from: MissMarie88 on April 01, 2008, 10:30:55 AM
Well the last personal message that is. About too much 'advance'?

Hello MissMarie88,
Maybe you can give me some background on your Pinto?
How long has it been sitting? is it a daily driver? how many miles are on it?
Has the engine ever been rebuilt?
If the noise goes away after starting then it is not a blown head gasket.
Auto or 4spd trans?
From Pintony

MissMarie88

Well the last personal message that is. About too much 'advance'?

MissMarie88

Okay. Thank you for the clarification. Next question. The knocking noise when i am turning over the key and then keeps doing it for just a couple of seconds after words.


Pintony, I am hoping that it is not the worst case scenerio but are there any other possibilities. I am not sure I fully understood what you meant in your last message.

Thank You Once Again,
Marie

Pintony

Hello Pintosopher,
You are over-complicating your answer.
If the belt is off and the crank pointer is at tdc.
and the cam pointer is pointing at the dot or "Straight up"  and your dist. rotor is pointing at #1 plug then everything is correct.
Your statement of "compression stroke" is un-nessissary.
From Pintony

Pintosopher

Miss Marie 88,
If you wish to make absolutely sure of the timing belt and marks, you must establish that the Engine #1 cylinder is on the Compression stroke. This can be done one of two ways, the easiest being viewing the movement of the valves through the spark plug hole on cylinder #1. You must see the intake valve closing as you turn the engine over by hand in the normal direction of rotation. Then with the distributor cap removed, the rotor should be moving towards the location of the plug wire #1 in the cap. As the crankshaft pulley mark for  TDC  (0 for 2.0L & 2.3) approaches, the distributor rotor should be pointing at the #1 location on the cap.
 NOW A CORRECTION  on my previous statement. The pointer on the Stock Camshaft sprocket will be underneath the Camshaft  sprocket bolt at 6 O' clock with the pointer aiming at the sprocket bolt and pointing straight up.
If ALL  of these marks line up at the same time with the belt adjustment snug, then your timing marks are correct, and you can accurately set the Ignition timing with a timing light.

Again I apologize for the FAUX PAUX and hope this clarifies the procedure.

To PINTONY , I'll have to eat an organic Rice Cake and Chant " I'll not think VW again "

Humbly Human ,

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Pintony

Quote from: MissMarie88 on April 01, 2008, 09:57:22 AM
I know this is going to sound like a stupid question but do you by any chance know the firing order? Is it even relevent because I have been told by three different people three different firing orders...
The fire order for the 2.0 is 1.3.4.2.
From Pintony

MissMarie88

I know this is going to sound like a stupid question but do you by any chance know the firing order? Is it even relevent because I have been told by three different people three different firing orders...

MissMarie88

Well I'm not going to lie you kinda lost me with your correction on what he said. It seems to be running far better now though from the advice he did give me. It is starting and everything at least. The only problem now is the fact that when ever you are turning the key to start it it makes almost a knocking noise.

Thanks For The Help Guys

Pintosopher

 Pintony,
 A possible correction, Both valves on cylinder  #1 should be closed on the compression stroke at TDC, the distributor rotor should be pointing at  plug wire #1 on the cap, and the crank mark for TDC should be aligned. IF the car has the original metal cam sprocket backing plate with pointer, it should point straight up.
Now I just have to ask , What is a Timming cover ?  Tim Ming design? I always default to English , but my typing skills can be challenged too :lol:

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Pintony

 :welcome: MissMarie88,
The 2.0 is a simple engine.
Do you have the timming cover off yet?
The timming dot is on the head and you have to look through the hole in the cam gear to see it the hole should be at 6:00.
The crank should be at TDC and the dist. rotor should point to the #1 plug wire.


From Pintony

MissMarie88

I have a 2.0 Ford Pinto motor I am dealing with. It seems to have jumped time and I can not get the camshaft lined back up. Anybody have any suggestions on how to do this?