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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Srt

Quote from: HighHooder on February 08, 2010, 03:13:01 PM
yes Possum, I do still have this, in fact I'm probably going to sell off all my pinto stuff.. not reasonable offer turned down.

is the equipment as shown in your original posts so long ago?

what do you consider a reasonable offer?  i may be interested in some of the pieces (exhaust manifold only to be truthful).
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

HighHooder

yes Possum, I do still have this, in fact I'm probably going to sell off all my pinto stuff.. not reasonable offer turned down.
Proud owner of a 1972 Ford Exploder

volksnut

Ain't nothing wrong with a draw through set-up...I would change the progressive stock carb though to a Holley 350(2 barrel) or a SU carb. I ran easy 13.8's with only 5 psi in my VW and it ran like a stocker til on boost.
Here's my old set-up (vintage Rajay turbo kit) with a 2" SU carb

And a Holley 350 cfm 2 barrel

possum

Hey high hooder, I was wondering what happened to that turbo exhaust manold you have pictured? I would like to purchase it if you still have it. possum43@suddenlink.net let me know thanks.

WVBobcat77

on a 2.3 you can pull the came out the front all you have to do is jack the front of the motor up to clear the radiator.
Bill in WV

1977 Bobcat
1978 Pinto - V6 Sedan

crazyhorse

I think once you pull the retainer you can pull it either way. Brad? help me restore my fading memory LOL
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bricker4864

Quote from: turbopinto72 on September 08, 2004, 07:17:12 PM
You can get 130-140 hp out of a N/A motor with a few tweeks. Cam, cam pulley, jet the carb, re-work the distrubtor and add a good ignition and header. Just my 2c.

I second that. I had 119 hp at the rear wheel with a cam a fuzz bigger than stock (.484 240* I think), a cam pulley, header, gutted offy intake, msd, and a 390 carb.
Went up to 121 with fuel injection last time I made a dyno run. I think I was making more than that after we tuned it more, but those were the last numbers I got.
If you figure 20% loss from flywheel to rear wheel, that's 143hp for the carb, 145hp for the injection.

Crazyhorse, you mention changing the cam without pulling the head. Doesn't the cam come out of the back of the head? I have always pulled it.

turbopinto72

 6 lbs boost on an 8:1 motor will be worse than a banana up the tail pipe. Unless you run a VERY small turbo. Anything under 10 lbs and it will most likley be a bog fest. You can get 130-140 hp out of a N/A motor with a few tweeks. Cam, cam pulley, jet the carb, re-work the distrubtor and add a good ignition and header. Just my 2c.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

crazyhorse

Thanks for the quick reply Brad. I'm still trying to decide which route to go with my 2.3L. The long block has less than 30k mi on it so I'm thinking 6psi of boost on a 8:1 compression stock motor would be reliable. However, I'm looking to get just 130-140hp from the motor. At that level of HP I could get by with just a good carb/intake/cam/header setup on a n/a motor. A 42HP increase would be just shy of 50%. do you have any suggestions on how I can get  this without opening up my motor? I'm open to a cam change as the head doesn't really have to come off. but I'd rather not pull the head of a good running motor if I don't have to
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turbopinto72

 There are lots of blow thru set up's out there that work great. In the book " Maximum Boost" the writer swear's by the blow thru set up.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

crazyhorse

Ok Y'all have covered draw thru turbo setups (and thier lack of intercooling) how about a "Blow Thru" setup?
If I'm not mistaken this would lend itself well to intercooling as the pressurized air is forced thru the carb. BUT how do you keep the carb working? I understand Bernoulli's principle sucking fuel from the float bowl. However wouldn't boost slow the rate of fuel? To compensate you'd have to up the mixture to a point that it'd almost flood off boost.

I'm interested as I've found a cool lil IHI turbo that should make about 6psi of boost that would wake up my Lil' Horse without a major rebuild & investment in parts.
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turbopinto72

Yes, that would be a great project car. I know that that car is an original Huntington Ford Pangra Wagon ( very rare).
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

HighHooder

Quote from: turbopinto72 on August 26, 2004, 09:51:08 PM
This is a draw through set up I have on my Pangra. ...
Brad, is your exhaust manifold polished? chromed? or just brushed shiney??? ;D
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HighHooder

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turbopinto72

This is a draw through set up I have on my Pangra. The carb sits on top of a plenum which is attached onto the compressor side of the turbo. The Air/Fuel mix runs through the turbo and over the top of the valve cover into the intake manifold.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

bricker4864

I know absolutly nothing about turbos and only a little about roots blowers. Is drawthru carb on top or turbo first?

Priest

for me, i have some experience with EFI turbo setups.......tons of reading, have asked tons of questions, sat around Daves shop (I guy we call turbo Dave) and helped him out......and read even more.  all of it has been gear for EFI and the project i am working on.  I guess if i am going to say anything on carbed turbo setups, i need to stick to general engine work and wait for more experience with the carbed turbo.  At least you jumped in and pointed to where i was wrong so that he didnt start working on following my advice.  if you can point me to where i can read up on carbed turbo setups, i do need to learn them, a buddy of mine just picked up a '79 turbo cobra and i will probably end up working on it with him.

-Matt

turbopinto72

Actually, this kind of dialog helps others. Keep asking questions......... :)
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Priest

well...that shows that i dont know carbed turbo setups.......sorry for making myself look foolish.

turbopinto72

 Matt, You can not intercool a drawthru type set up. The air/fuel mixture gets sucked thru the turbo and pushed over the cross pipe into the intake manifold. A cooler ( with all the cooling fins) would condinsate the gas and turn it back into a liquid form from the mixed ( gas/air) frorm that it comes out of the turbo. As far as the stock intake, there has been a LOT of testing on it and it is widley accepted as about as good as it can get.A plenum would be great if one was going to use a EFI system. I hope this helps.
Brad F
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Priest

i do have a few possible suggestions on improving efficiency in the pictured setup.  if you have a way to intercool the charge air at all, you will be able to throw more boost at the engine before you start pinging.  with an over valve cover setup, an SVO / turbocoupe type intercooler would work well if you can provide airflow over the cooler that does not draw hot air up from the engine.  my second thought is on the plenum, from my experience, reading, and observations, having a larger plenum area than you have before the runners seemes to help more on low end torque.  thats about it for now.  so.....do your thing, get it in the car and lets see how she does.

Matt

turbopinto72

 Thanks Joel, I cound'nt have said it better. If I had more time yesterday and a way to post pictures on this new format I would have got real spacific on just how those engines work. So, now to answer the question. How fast?? well the 72 Pangra tested in the 70's ran a 15.6 ish 1/4  mile. I have not ran either of my cars but the box stock car could easly run that. My modifyed car will run in the 13's for sure. The head mods to my modified car is, a full port and polish, big stainless valves, custom crower cam with crower springs and rockers and an Esslinger cam pully. Waste Gate, good question. On ( some ) of the Pangras, they ran a type of waste gate that was basicly a restrictor, in line at the crossover tube. It worked by moving a mechancal cone shape valve that seated it self as the boost came up. It had holes in it to alow ( some ) fuel\air past it. It was about the most restricting thing you could ever do to your intake. Other units I have seen do not have any waste gate. I will not run a waste gate on my modified car becouse I have a realy cool ignition box with a 3 bar MAP sensor, boost retard, timing retard and timing lock out at start.  I will back timing out of it as the boost comes up and deal with it that way.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Poison Pinto

QuoteMy appologies to all offended.

I don't know as anyone was necessarily "offended," perhaps confused is a better description. You were going on the limited information presented on the engine (and I think you were approaching it as a stock Ford application), and others were confused as to why you would say the setup didn't work. I think it was simply a misunderstanding perpetuated by the fact the original, single, head-on photo didn't have the carb mounted and there were other changes from the stock 2.0L (ie remote oil filter application). I mean, your original assessment of the engine (an early turbo app like an MII) seems right on, but you were looking for a fuel intake source (carb or injection) and there wasn't one in the pic.


I just didn't want the discussion to escalate into something ugly and I could see where both sides of the discussion were basing their statements. Just thought I'd play impartial moderator for a sec and try to prevent hard feelings down the road.
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HighHooder

you see,  I actually, originally built this motor for a 1953 CJ3-B JEEP

and then switched horses midstream, put a 3.8L Buick v6 in the JEEP and bought a 72 1.6L Pinto...
Proud owner of a 1972 Ford Exploder

HighHooder

just some more pictures to make things REAL confusing ;D ;D ;D
Proud owner of a 1972 Ford Exploder

samgcpo

Thanks, I appreciate the clarity.

My appologies to all offended.

~Sam

Poison Pinto

Uh oh...

Someone poked the bear.

To allay some apparent confusion:

Sam~ That's a 2.0L with an aftermarket AK Miller turbo kit. Thus, your argument about when *Ford* began manufacturing its turbos is irrelevant. Not sure what you mean by "false" turbo setup. It's not factory original, that's for sure, but the term "false" implies that it's a non-working mockup primarily for looks. The carburator issue seems clarified by HighHooder's follow-up post. The question you raise about the oil filter may simply be one of having a remote filter system applied. I don't know about that for sure since this isn't my engine (although I wish it were). Certainly it's a viable explanation, though.

Also if Brad (turbopinto72) says he has 2 just like it, there's no question in my mind that it is a functional system. From the several chats I've had with him, he's not the sort to perpetuate misinformation about the mechanics of the Pinto. It would undermine his authoritative duty as Master Mechanic and it's not in his nature.

I may be wrong about this next point, and if I am, Brad (among others) will certainly set me straight. In the Pangra article in the bric-a-brac section, Pangras (an aftermarket modification of the Pinto) had turbo units applied to their engines. And Pangras were being built before the 2.3L was introduced in the car. So it is entirely accurate for 2.0L turbo engines to be in Pintos (even though these would have been Pangras [EDIT: most probably would have been Pangras, I do believe there were other homespun turbo apps to standard Pintos]). However, these would not have been *Ford* turbos. That's how Brad can have *2* 2.0L turbos with such a setup, (at least) one being in a Pangra. As he said, check out his Pangra project. He has pictures of his engine there.
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turbopinto72

Huh, you say this Ak Miller setup wont work??  Im confused, why wont it work???
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

samgcpo

Well , finally a response a previously ignored post.   This interesting engine went for quite a while with no comment.  With only one picture angle of  this mystery engine, I feel that my original assesment would be correct.

Note to future posts.....Identify what you are are talking about.  There are many transverse engines that look simular to the earlier straight- fours that Ford used,  and give a thought to when the first turbocharged  engines were introduced.

Ford did not go turbo with the four cylinder engines until the later 70's.  The 2.0 is a very capable engine, and I would love to see a tubocharged version in action.

Now with that said, this setup, as shown in the pic,  will not work with the draw-through intake system as pictured.  You just can't go top-mount with the carb system.  Injected will work with the proper intake manifold, but the pictured engine requires a fuel injected system to work.  Which precludes the mechanical fuel pump that is pictured.

Physics is physics,  and turnip blood is not  easily produced.  Convince me that this is a bonified operational engine.

~Sam


HighHooder

Quote from: turbopinto72 on July 19, 2004, 03:17:27 PM
I have two of those 2.0 set up's. look at the 73 Pangra project.

so... how fast? what kind of head mods have you made?  

also, one more thing... what about a wastegate?  my system has none, should it?
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