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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Souped up V-6?

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78cruisingwagon

The Mustang II used the Borg Warner SR4 transmisson. It later metamorphed into the T4 and then the T5 transmission we all know.

69GT

Did any one look a it? Or call the guy?

69GT

Thanks guys. In developing news I went and looked at and drove it today. It's rough, has a small dent on the upper passenger side fender (Hard to see) and missing some interior panels and carpeting. No radio, primer blackish, and non functional A/C. But it does have power steering and brakes both of which work (Brakes a little soggy) Lights and signals worked but inside blinker indicators did not work. OK the motor.... It ran. Had a moderate ticking sound seeming to come from the top of the motor. That might be a rocker out of adjustment since it's a solid cam. Might also have an exhaust leak. Car had some power but it was mis-firing bad even when warmed up. The A/C stuff was there but belts/hoses were gone. Needed alignment too. Had crappy rims/tires and the tranny shifted Ok. Had the 8" rear and is a hatchback. Guy wants $450 for it.  Claims it has a clear title and it has 08 stickers on the plate.

For all interested it's on Craigs list and is in Fresno "http://fresno.craigslist.org/car/502565209.html"

I'd like to see it get a home. It's CA. Smog exempt :)
A few months of TLC and about a grand and its a runner.
Good luck. If any one needs any help let me know. I live nearby.  Also keep me posted. I'll also go get it for someone it you live away from here. So it will not get sold out from under you. I can afford to risk $450 on a fellow PCCA member.

Thanks for all the help....
-Aaron

Pintosopher

 Greetings,
  In regards to the question about the V6 4 speed, I'm not sure which gearbox the Mustang II used , I only saw automatic Mustang II in my travels. The Capri V6 used a different transmission than we used in the Pinto 4 Cyl and may have had a Different Bellhousing. There was a company that was in England that made special cast bellhousings to adapt the V6 to the "Hummer " 4 speed. I'm not sure if it was the Essex V6 or the later Cologne V6 .
  Think parts availability before going to V6, Or find friends in the Capri Clubs in the US or Europe. It may be just as costly to go V6 as to build up a sweet 2.0 or 2.3L four.

Parts is parts...
Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

77turbopinto

I am interested in the car; Where are you located?

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

69GT

I thought about it but I have too many cars as is :)  89 Ranger daily driver. 72 Grabber Maverick. And the 72 2.0 Pinto. The car is for sale for $450.

Pintony

How about just using the V6 75 as a driver and do a swap later???

69GT

Suddenly down the road a V-6 75 Runabout shows up for sale... Ok questions now :)  It's a running, clean title, kinda ugly, primer 75 hatch. 1. Do the 2.0 and 2.8 share the same bell housing bolt pattern. I want a stick shift and it might be simpler to put the V-6 in my 72 4-Speed trunk model. I have plenty of Mustang IIs around here to get flywheel/clutch parts from. One of the down sides I heard is that the 74 and up cars have stronger suspension gear (Spindles, control arms, bigger brakes) and that stuff will not retro-fit to the older car :(  I also am kinda not sure I want to kill one to make the other "better" Am I sick? I'd gladly put the axe to a Mustang II to save a Pinto though. I already have a Pinto 8" in the garage so all I'm after is a running 2.8. Maybe I should look for 4-Speed Mustang IIs to kill. Still undecided here any way.

1. In your opinon what would you do? 2.0 is already there, runs good but is only 122 inches. Pros? Cons? Cheap HP Potential?
2. Opinions on my 2.3 situation? I have a 2.3 with a .420 roller cam. And happen to have a 2.3 Pinto headder never used. A little better at 140 inches. And already have a few parts. But it's not in the car and needs motor mount to frame changes. One pro is 5-Speed compatability, and easy to turbo.
3. 2.8? Ok I know the least about this motor. I have no upgrade parts for it and need to make more changes to my car. But it's got 171 inches and lots of potential if any one still has affordable parts (Cams, headders, rockers,) for it.

Pintosopher

SRT is correct, the 2.6 cologne V6 had Siamesed exhaust ports. The 2.8 and 3.0 were individual port heads. There were also restrictions in the type of heads and block if you wanted to interchange pieces.

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Srt

i think it was the 2.6's that had the siamesed ports.  IIRC the      2.8 were separate.  i put a 2.8 into a old ford courier and had to build some headers for that.  it was a b@tch
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

69GT

  Well it helps that I live in Sunny central California. I see 2.8s all the time at the bone yard. And I have a friend who has a few 4-Speed V-6 Mustang IIs in his shops yard rotting away. I know Racer Walsh has a few parts too. Oh I heard the heads off later sixes in the family like the 2.9-4.0 ports don't line up with the old aftermarket carbed intake manifold right? I know the old 2.8s have the crappy siamesed exhaust ports. Newer heads had more headder friendly exhaust ports. I also thought thy were no more heavy than the 2.3. I will go 2.3 and a 5-Speed if all else fails. I love 2.3s too. I just like the sound of the old mechanical cam V-6s. Also looked at modding a old carbed 3.8 Essex six with aluminum heads (love the cam and compression potential). But that's a real undertaking and I'm only looking for 150-200 HP with 5-Speed compatibility.

map351

Thanks.
It's a 69 Vixen with a M-2500 chassis a little stiffer up front, 67 Vette center sec 370 gear, SVO T-5 it weights 1760lb it's a handful!
73 2.3Turbo Pinto
6S1941 / 289 Slab Side
40 Ford Sedan Delivery  For Sale

Pinto FiberGlass
https://picasaweb.google.com/73turbopinto/PintoHotpantsKitNewFrontAirdam

Pintosopher

Beautiful ! The next best thing to a Griffith 200 TVR with a Hi-Po 289 V8! But I'm sure it handles much better.

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

map351

This is a 69 TVR i restored for one of my customers it's a concourse quality SVRA driver with a  2.9 stroked to 3.4 Essex Aluminum heads Rick woods T-5 bellhousing .
Last outing at the chassis Dyno 384 Hp 374 TQ @ 8700..
Album..
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/558569390gAKDHO



73 2.3Turbo Pinto
6S1941 / 289 Slab Side
40 Ford Sedan Delivery  For Sale

Pinto FiberGlass
https://picasaweb.google.com/73turbopinto/PintoHotpantsKitNewFrontAirdam

Pintosopher

Pintony,
The Capri was a much better example of Ford Eurotuning, My 1978 V6 Mustang II Cobra II was a automatic slug. I traded it in on a 1980 Monza Spyder Z24 with a Buick 3.8L V6 w 4speed, and had a ball. I know it's just a Vega underneath, but that V6 had torque and HP.
I still appreciate the Ford V6, but we don't get the Good stuff over here, like they do in Europe. Check out Capri club of Chicago for some cool pics of the RS Capri models.

I'm dreaming of a Weslake V6 tucked into my '72...

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Pintony

My 2.8 1974 Capri. "now long gone" had the smoothest powerband!
I could go up through the gears and never feel like I needed more power.
From Pintony


Pintosopher

 Greetings,
The real issues for the V6 vs L4 debate (if any) are the potential for reliable HP and the Weight issue in the stock location.
If you look at your Pinto with a four, from the exhaust side, the front axle centerline is almost dead center on cylinder #3. This is far from ideal for handling purposes for a road car. It requires stiff springs and Big sway bars to get the car to transfer weight in the corners without drama. Ideally the front axle centerline should be at Cylinder #1 or in front of it.
A V6 does move the #1 cylinder to a better location. but the engine requires a bit of modification to bring that HP to weight issue in line. Those costs aren't cheap. Pinto 2.0 & 2.3 parts are made in numbers much greater than the V6, in America and Europe, so the costs come down.
It's too bad that Emissions controls made these engines so sluggish that the cost of a V8 swap made the V6 upgrade a lesson in economics.
  Weigh in with your thoughts, and opinions , all are relevant.

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

77turbopinto

I always heard that the 2.8 was lighter than a 2.3 (?).

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Srt

Quote from: Pintony on November 19, 2007, 04:17:51 AM
Hey SRT did you ever take your Turbo Capri to National trails in OHIO???

no i never did, Tony.  it was a southern california weekend-long-distance driver.  i really liked it because it was a more comfortable and better handling (initially) than my pinto for 300-400 mile weekend trips.  my girlfriend and i used to take these trips through so-caal down into the mountains east & north of san diego and down over into the desert. 

there are some FANTASTIC roads inland down there
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Pintosopher

Howdy all,
The only down side to the 2.8 is the weight,( which places more on an already nose heavy car) . Parts, although getting rare, could be sourced through Capri club of North America, Or even MustangII.org as a contact medium. And of course, "across the pond " the V6 is alive and well, much like the 2.0l four.
 This engine has a decent HP/ weight potential, but the pieces (aside from a Turbo install) to make HP are $ xpensive.
 I still would love to have 2.8 w/ 3 Weber 44IDF and the usual mods, what a symphony that would make!
 Check out the history of the Capri in BTCC racing in the 70's , the engines will just make you drool!
 Oh the possibilities...

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Pintony

Quote from: srt on November 19, 2007, 04:15:08 AM
i used to have a 72 capri with the 2.6.  had a 4spd., a 2.5" exhaust and most important;  a turbo.  what a gas!!!
Hey SRT did you ever take your Turbo Capri to National trails in OHIO???

Srt

i used to have a 72 capri with the 2.6.  had a 4spd., a 2.5" exhaust and most important;  a turbo.  what a gas!!!
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Pintony

I think a V6 is a GREAT idea!!!
From Pintony

69GT

   Just curious. Anyone here modded or souped up their 2.8 V-6? Headders, cams, intake? What kind of performance did it get? Thought about the 2.8 and a 5-Speed as an alternative to a 2.3 with similar mods that is if it's possible to find a 5-Speed that's compatible. If not will a Mustang II 4-Speed set up cross over? I have a 72 2.0 4-Speed Pinto to work with.

I used to see a 70 something Capri tearing around here, it sounded great. My friend knew the guy and told me it was a 2.8 with a cam intake and headders.

Pretty sure it's going to be harder to find parts since the 2.8 is long out of production. Any ideas?