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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dholvrsn

Most of that stuff has been fixed and I've been driving it around Omaha and between Soldier and Omaha for the past two summers.
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dave1987

Any updates on this?

I'm considering getting the throttle body assembly from the turbocoupe at the junk yard in case I decide to go EFI some day, but, will I still have hood clearance issues?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dholvrsn

The two days that I was up in Soldier, I did two days of work on the Pinto, plus two half days of nuisance chores for my Mom. With that and a disrupted sleep pattern, no wonder it took me a little while to recuperate.

Little known fact is that the front eye bolts on the rear Pinto spring get torqued to an even 100 foot pounds. Unless the car is up on a hoist, and I don't have one, it takes a lot of grunt work in an awkward places to tighten them.

Replaced the emergency brake cable with one that didn't hang and screwed the show adjusters waaaay out. The brakes finally work. Very well too, and I'm not used to power brakes in a Pinto. The rears lock up halfway easy on gravel.

Once I got the rear buttoned in and the battery charged up, the engine started right up after sitting for the winter. The computer even kicked down the EFI idle properly.

Both the fresh engine and posi differential are still tight. The rear tires grumbled as I took a tight turn while backing up the Pinto. There isn't enough weight back there to make the differential clutches really slip.

Had fun roaring up and down the road until a lack of hood clearance knocked the throttle cable off the bell-crank and I limped back home idling in second gear. I'm going to modify that bell-crank.

Next time I'm up in Soldier, I'm going to get the turn signals to work again, change little plastic gears until the speedometer read right and other shake down things.
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'80 trunk model. '17-on
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71pintoracer

If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

dholvrsn

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'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
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'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

Pinturbo75

nice progress, wont be long now till its a dd.
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

dholvrsn

While the axle was out, I installed a Posi differential with the help of Bondo Bob. After pounding and pounding to get the final bolt out of the front spring hackle, I finally started to get it back together. I hope to button it up next time that I'm up at the farm.
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'80 trunk model. '17-on
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'47 Studebaker Champion
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dholvrsn

This project is in long digressive overtime because of a broken spring and bad brakes.

Was up at the farm on Tuesday and Wednesday, working on the Pinto and sending off der Merkurs. Merkur is rumored to be pronounced Furdt Zierrrra in its native German.  There is still spotty snow in the hills lingering after the late season dusting from a few days ago.

The guys came all the way up from Kansas City to get what's left of the Merkurs after I picked over the turbo Pinto worthy parts.

I did have daydreams of putting the biplane spoiler on the red Merkur and fixing it up with a Red Baron motif with a broad white boy-racer stripe* with "Der Iron Krosses" in them. Tiny silhouettes of Spads and Sopwiths painted on the driver's door. along with a certain beagle and his doghouse.

A  while ago, I removed the rear axle of the Pinto because of a broken spring.

* Would that be a "Krautboy" as opposed to a "Riceboy" or even "Wheatboy"?
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dholvrsn

I dialed in the TPS, spliced in some new fuse links, and put the grill and hood back on, plus some other odds and ends. At least nothing really rubs against the hood. Had to kludge the clutch cable using a hose clamp as a spacer to get the thing to shift. The brakes still aren't working right after a couple of bleeds, but I got it on the road and took a short drive down to Moore's shop, because I just had to tell somebody, and back. I even got three pounds of boost going up their hill!

I will probably replace the master cylinder next time and figure out why the gas gauge quit working for no reason. I wish that this silly crap would end and just let me drive this. This project is running too late and too long and I want to clean out the shop and other things.

At least the car has nice lines, despite being and old cheepmobile with weathered paint and spotty primer.
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dholvrsn

Youtube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nmmLfsA4Gs
The cheesy sound makes it sound more like a D-21 then it does an ex-Merkur.

WIll dial it in and get it on the road next time.
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Ironman

Ironman

dholvrsn

I got it started at around 4:15 this afternoon! Yay! Yay! Yay! :afro: :lol: :afro:

The previous problem was that the fuel pump relay wasn't plugged in right and the hot wire to the coil wasn't connected.

It's running rough as is, but I hope to dial it in and tune it up tomorrow.
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dholvrsn

Finally got the turbo EFI  2.3 buttoned in the Pinto and got it on all fours. Even inflated the tires and cleaned the windows for good effort while waiting for Bob the Mechanic to show up. He's been some expert advice and adult supervision on this project. It turns over, but the electric fuel pump doesn't switch on and there's no spark. Not looking forward to trouble shooting that on my next two days off. Will probably start with the off-brand relays where the Pinto electrics splice into the XR4Ti Electronics and then follow the Merkur Manual from there.

Any turbo Ford experts here that can help me out?
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'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
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'47 Studebaker Champion
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dholvrsn

Found part of the last impasse, some 2.3 Ford starters are longer than other 2.3 Ford starters. Installed a shorter variety of starter that's better painted than the one in this picture.

The T-5 safety and reverse light pig-tails spliced in place of the former the C3 transmission pig-tale, to mate up with the World Class T5. As an Electronic Technician by trade, I solder and heat sink as much of this stuff as I can.

The Merkur down-pipe kludged to mate with a mom&pop shop exhaust that came with the car. Will be upgraded to 2.5" or 3" pipes after I get this running and when I feel like spending the money. (Enough with spending the money, already!)

The starter is installed along with the turbo and a lot of other stuff. (Too much complexity for one stupid little Pinto!) Next time, I will cobble up a ground cable, fix a water leak, and hopefully finally start this up one year and one month after I started this swap.
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'80 trunk model. '17-on
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dholvrsn

Straightened out the transmission mount and got that bolted up, along with the driveshaft, and even got the safety switch wiring patched up. Now to find a connector to hook up to the reverse light switch.

Cut out the floor hole for the shifter, added a 2" filler in the back, and the frame from the Merkur that the shift boot clips over. Have the console temporarily removed until I figure out a solution to that.

Here's with the shifter boot installed.

Here I hit the next impasse. I removed the turbo to get to install the starter. I'm wondering if there's a way to wiggle it in without dropping the rack or unbolting the engine mount and jacking the engine up.
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Ironman

Quote from: CHEAPRACER on September 04, 2008, 11:30:03 PM
I had a guy who worked with me once that would probably think the easiest way would be to relocate the firewall and engine rearward 2 inches, shorten the drive shaft, and estimate  $68.00 labor for 3 days of work to do it.


Hmmm.
Ironman

CHEAPRACER

Quote from: dholvrsn on September 04, 2008, 05:49:34 PM


Also another dumb problem: the shifter smacks against the console and won't engage the odd numbered gears. Any cures for this?

I had a guy who worked with me once that would probably think the easiest way would be to relocate the firewall and engine rearward 2 inches, shorten the drive shaft, and estimate  $68.00 labor for 3 days of work to do it.
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

Ironman

Thaty looks like a T-5.

From looking at the photo, I would try taking the shift lever stub out of the top of the tranny, heating it to cherry (not orange),.. bending it just a little,.. maybe 1/4". I'd make the bend Imeadiately below the lower bolt hole for the shifter. From the looks of it you could lock the stub in a vice and use the shift lever itself as a fulcrum. After you get the correct bend, heat it again to make sure its cherry, then quench it in dirty oil. (dirty oil is a slower quench than clean oil for several reasons) . I think if you dont quench, it will probably aneal and be too soft.

There might be better ways to tackle the problem, thats just what comes to mind.

after closely looking at the picture, I see what looks like aluminum poured around the base of the shift lever, probably better off using something eles to do the bending. The thing that was nice about using the shifter was it would prevent any possible distortion to the bolt pattern during bending. A lot of force will be required when bending "cherry" as opposed to "orange"

Or,.. fore go all that and figure out how to move the console forward!  :smile:
Ironman

dholvrsn

Found out that there are different lengths of clutch pivot balls. Fortunately, I had a longer one in a '80s hydraulic bell. I swapped it in and apparently all the clutch stuff now fits and works.

Shimmied the transmission in. Used a 17mm 3/8" socket with a u-joint and a loooooong extension to reached the top two bolts on the bell housing. The altered rear tranny bracket got warped during all that welding, so this project is stalled again until I straighten the thing out on the hydraulic press at work.

Also another dumb problem: the shifter smacks against the console and won't engage the odd numbered gears. Any cures for this?
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'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
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dholvrsn

Well, I was buttoning up some odds and ends while I'm still waiting for the solution to my clutch problem.

Here's a close-up of the throttle bell-crank that has had the top 1/4" rounded off for hood clearance reasons.

Another look at the turbo to VAM bellows. This is before I take the turbo or manifold back out at some time in the future. Note to future turbo swappers: put the starter in first and then install the manifold and turbo.

The vacuum tree from a Merkur mounted on the driver's fender well.

Not much clearance between the water pump and electric fan.
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'80 trunk model. '17-on
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dholvrsn

Here are the numbers:
Throw-out arm: D4ZA-7515-BR
Bell Housing: D4ZA-6394-AD

I think they should be a match, circa 1984.

Pictures later today when I get down to my Big Mac in Omaha to munch them.
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dholvrsn

I'm making a WAG that there is a difference between Pinto and Fox levers and that I got a Pinto lever mixed in with a Fox bell. Parts numbers should be coming later today.
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Ironman

Well I'm definately no pro,.. but I'm thinkin it would take one heck of alota force to bend that clutch arm.
Ironman

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I could about choke my Pinto tonight! I borrow a transmission jack, spend a hour getting the T-5 transmission shimmied in, and get a bolt or two snugged up. Then I start buttoning up the clutch and find out that there's no way to adjust it to disengage. The lever hits the front of the opening before that happens. So I drop everything back out to look at it. I'm scratching my head over this. My two best guesses are either I have the wrong throw-out bearing or the throw-out lever is bent. Any advice from the "Pinto Pros"?
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
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'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

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PS: Well Pinto blocks are blue. Violets are too. At least by cheating poets. I think that turbo 2.3 blocks are supposed to be black, but I painted mine blue to go in the Pinto.  :afro:
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
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'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

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This is where the progress stopped today with the engine half way buttoned in. It seems as this goes along my poor engine looks less awesome and more cluttered. Despite having the spiffed up valve cover screwed down. Maybe things will improve when I get far enough along to start cleaning up the wiring harnesses.

BTW, the accordion hose between the VAM and the turbo was shortened about 3/4 of an inch on both ends.

Next time, I hope to borrow the transmission jack from a guy that use to work for my Grandpa's Allis Chalmers dealership back when Grandpa and Allis Chalmers were still around and get that World Class T5 bolted up there.
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
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'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

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Then the clutch pack gets torqued on.

The engine gets lowered halfway in. Progress halts while the serpentine power steering pump and bracket gets removed because it looks like it isn't going to fit. The engine is then lowered all the way in down to the mounts. Then lifted out because I forgot to put in that plate that goes between the block and the bell-housing. The engine is lowered back into the mounts.

The power-steering items turned out to fit after everything was lined up.

Then a whole lot of buttoning up started. If I had to do this again. I'd drop the engine in without the manifolds to make it easier to get to the stuff underneath.
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
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'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

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Got really back into the black comedy of making a white "Pinto SVO".

I started with bolting even more stuff to the engine.

I bent a special tube to reroute the turbo to the block water line. The nipple on the turbo is turned 180° upward from the factory. Also note that the oxygen sensor hole had been plugged and a new hole was drilled and tapped into the side. I'm doing this to get it out of the way of the air conditioning manifold and possibly be the first person to do a turbo Pinto with factory style AC.

Finally, got the engine on the hoist and installed the flywheel.
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
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'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

dholvrsn

Well, I got the engine in and sitting on its mounts and the flywheel and bell housing bolted on. Will try to wrestle the transmission in before supper.

Photos later.
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
-----
'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

Ironman

Lookin good!

She'll be going anyday from the looks of it.
Ironman