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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dholvrsn

Made an attempt to drop the engine into Wee Beastie, but business got into the way of my pleasure so I just ended up bolting more stuff on the motor. Me thinks my little 2.3 went from looking cool to looking cluttered. Will try to drop it in on my next two days off.
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dholvrsn

I haven't given up (yet). I just got a little burned out and needed to give it a rest to recuperate.
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77CrzgWgn

Wow, making me think really hard about my possible TC swap. Very helpful info. Hope you haven't given up yet. Keep posting stuff.

Thanks!
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dholvrsn

Kind of had a lull in this project.

Got a bunch of more stuff bolted to the engine and the Pinto up on stands ready to take the motor. I even got new clean cardboard to lay down on.

DGH
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dholvrsn

Finally got the engine mostly together for Wee beastie. Ended up really honing those pesky bearings down to get the auxiliary shaft to fit right. I'm wondering if that block had the holes for those machined just a little bit too small. I'm going to start dropping the engine in the porthole Pinto on my next day off.
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dholvrsn

Here are more parts waiting for the stupid silly bearing problems to end. Ended up running to a machinist to confirm the opinion that the problem was the bearings and not the engine and shaft.

Here are the rear louvers temporarily mounted.

Plus, I caught the Moore Brothers (they rent the family farm) running their Hotsie on a combine and got them to clean off the junk Detroit blower ("it don't go roundy round no more") that I'm going to make into a Hot Rod foot stool.

The Pinto project sort of sagged Wednesday afternoon because I caught a virus and the weather was going bonkers just south of the farm with a lot of gully washers, plus tornados in Moorhead, Little Sioux, and Omaha.
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dholvrsn

Another two days off and another two days of too much quality time with the attempted turbo-Pinto. Got bit by a couple more off-spec auxiliary shaft bearings. Did bolt the windage tray down and sat the pan on top as a place holder.

Had a rainbow after a thunder-boomer to lighten up the mood.

Did mount the electric fan on the radiator and did a lot of not-so-photogenic stuff like tidy up the under dash wiring and the fuel plumbing.

Here's the fan and radiator with a desk full of stuff waiting for that motor to get put together and dropped in.
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dholvrsn

This project had hit a lull and sort of a strategic retreat as some internal engine parts didn't fit. I recross referenced numbers to find that the engine is from a '85 Merkur XR4Ti and not an '87 like I thought that it was.

Wee Beastie is also in the awkward stage where I'm really tired of it sucking up too much of my spare time and money and intruding on Summer and I'm just forcing the engine swap part to get done just to get it out of my hair. Please, turbo Pinto project, please run and be worth all the effort when I get you together.

A couple of pictures that I forgot to take and post last time and a couple of new ones.

The finished and painted battery tray mounted under the fender.

The underside of the hood repainted.

Three in a long parade of parts that get spray painted in my garage.

The rear louver set that I got for $50.00 when many are going for $300-400 on eBay. I'm using T-nuts and countersunk screws to patch on new hinges.
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CHEAPRACER

Pay special attention to mounting that old pan to the later block, if you don't glue the end pieces real good, they'll push out from lack of clearance.  After that happened to me, I just used the rail gaskets and used black RTV silicone for the ends around the seals.
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

dholvrsn

Fun with torch mechanicing and boat anchor. (It's funny how the two often go together!) The modified transmission mount to go from slushy old C3 to World Class T-5.

The bottom side. 1/8x3/4 strap was used as webbing and filler.

A Taurus fuel filter and a Walbro pump in a Merkur mount, plus Merkur duck bill plumbing (which isn't what it's quacked up to be!) all under the floor boards under the rear driver's side seat, just inboard of the forward spring shackle.

Last minute hassles with the wrong auxiliary shaft bearings and the wrong pan gaskets is going to cause Wee Beastie to miss Graffiti Night. It would have been sooooo nice! At least I have the world's most beautiful Buick to cruise in. Well, there's next year. Hopefully Wee Beastie will be all painted and some of the grubbier stuff in these photos will get spiffed up.
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75bobcatv6

looks good man, id love to do a turbo setup on my 2.8 =D but i dont think it would fit unless i did an after cat turbo kit

dholvrsn

Fun with aluminum: close up of the aluminum heat shield for the AC manifold.

Also the folded aluminum snorkel that I made for the VAM breather. It come through the front support, right behind the turn signal.

The computer and relays mounted under the dash, waiting for a wiring tidy up.
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dholvrsn

The engine compartment with the stuff back in it. Also showing what a little chimera Wee Beastie is getting to be.

Passenger's fender well, left to right: VAM with breather (still needing spiffing up, from Merkur), BCS (Merkur), AC relay (Merkur) and BAP (Merkur).

Firewall, L to R: Starter solenoid and mystery device (both original Pinto). Note two wiring harnesses, the original Pinto and the transplanted Merkur. Note hoe the Merkur harness enters the firewall and tees about in the middle. Also a heat shield on the AC manifold and an upgrade to factory power brakes.

Driver's fender well: L to R: EGO solenoid (Merkur), HEI coil (Merkur), voltage regulator (original Pinto), fan relays (Escort, I think), and washer tank (original Pinto and moved back and out slightly to clear the bolt heads of the under fender battery bracket). Removed was original electronic ignition module.
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dholvrsn

The engine compartment all painted and unmasked, before all that stuff gets reinstalled.

Stopped to smell the roses. Or at least check out the Memorial Day poker run and dance in Soldier, Iowa. Nice sunset to the west. Thunderclouds to the east.

Hope to post more pictures in the next couple of days.
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dholvrsn

Took a week of anual leave to try to finish up the turbo engine swap by Graffiti Night in Onawa, Iowa. Doesn't look like I'm going to make it. One of those so close and yet so far deals. The guy helping me with the engine couldn't make it out, so I'm trying to button up around that. I'm having serious doubts on whether this is worth the effort.

The engine and underside of hood is all ready to paint.

Detail of heating and modifying the center hood bracket to clear the throttle body bell-crank. Had a chunk of thick sheet metal shielding between the brace and the top of the hood, but it was still nervous going.

The engine compartment all cleaned and masked up and ready to paint. This is sort of a restro from the inside out.

Here's the old Sharpe 775 gun that I inherited. Sort of feel like that novice Chinese carpenter with the expensive wood plane.
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dholvrsn

The empty engine bay with two gallons of floor dry underneath sucking up two gallons of Type F.

Found some nasty rust on the front support and did a patch.
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dholvrsn

While I had everything apart, I replaced the worn-out disks and painted them up like a Riceboy.

Then I finally removed the engine.

Tried to be careful with the transmission. It still managed to leak out a couple of gallons of Type F. Almost the automotive equivalent of the puke gag from Team America. Took a lot of floor dry to sop that up.
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dholvrsn

Auxiliary fuse box mounted.

Inertia switch mounted.

Battery holder for under driver's front fender started.
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dholvrsn

Update 4/22-23/2008. Getting back to this project.

Almost final VAM and mock-up of intercooler plumbing.

An under fender view of the mock up plumbing. Rear mount is not near final.

"Rubber baby buggy bumpers" used to mount the FMIC as close to the radiator as possible without rubbing.

Computer bracket with a couple of relays under the dash.
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woodie

I,m  doimg a turbo swap too how much banging did you do  was thinking about makeing my own exaust header to move the turbo forward and up would like to keep it under the hood  also the blower motor is on the firewall  may have toput it off till spring  did get an 8.8 rear froma msutang under it 3.55 posi nice
watch this

dholvrsn

Got the Saab front  intercooler mounted on Wee Beastie, plus the turbo EFI wiring and some of the intercooler plumbing mocked in.
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turbowagonman

Let the FUN begin!!!  :lol:

turbowagonman
\'80\' Turbo Pinto Cruising Wagon.........R.I.P.
\'80\' Turbo Pinto Deluxe Wagon (work in progress)
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dholvrsn

The engine swap started yesterday, sort of. Mainly removed the old manifolds and mocked up everything with the turbo manifolds on the old engine, trying to see how everything fits. The passenger side fender-well took a goodly sledge hammering. Here's a before picture. two pictures of the mocking up, and one of a pile of parts removed that aren't going back on the car.

I told a coworker about this. He said "If you improve it too much, then it won't be a Pinto no more. It'll be a Palomino!"
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