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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Project Shur'tug'al [AKA 75 Pinto street toy]

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bobscat

Sorry to hear that, but hang in there man!  You have been doing an awesome job with the car, and if you apply that kind of determination to everything in life, you will be back on your feet in no time!  Take care, and keep us updated on how things are going, both with you and the car, as I am sure you will be in lots of peoples thoughts.

hellfirejim

To all of you who have been following the project [ over 2000+ views :surprised:] thank you.  This is just to let you know that the project is coming to a halt or barely moving as the cancer is back and I am going to be busy for a while.

Not to worry as I will be back at it as soon as I can....

jim
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hellfirejim

I have made some more small steps.

This picture shows the voltage regulator up front.  This will be gone when I get an internal Alt. It also shows the Accel coil mounted and the fuel reg with a pressure gauge next to it.  The fuel comes in the bottom and then over to the carb.



This is a better picture of the air breather tank.



Still have a ways to go to sort it all out.  Wires and stuff everywhere.. : )

jim


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hellfirejim

Morning all.  Well it was a good Sunday as I got to work on the car for about 4 hours and made some real progress and all of it was in the engine compartment.

I took off the carb and intake manifold.  That was interesting when you get to the bottom 2 inner bolts.....  :amazed:   I cleaned up the left front inner panel and relocated the voltage regulator.  Yeah I know but I will get an internal reg alt later when I have money.  Next started to clean up the wiring and got my  brackets painted to mount the new coil hopefully next weekend.  As you all know this just take time but it does feel good to be out there working and getting it done.  Oh, did I mention I feel old???? :lol:  Not used to leaning over a fender for about 4 hours....  But it is a good hurt.

jim








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hellfirejim

Well I got the dash and 3 pod installed.  They are not wired up yet as that will come when I have better access in the engine compartment.  Here is a picture.


and



And since I was on a roll I also installed the oil breather tank.  I just have to add a hose barb and then run the hoses.



Good weekend, 73 degrees.

jim

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hellfirejim

Something worth posting about.  I now have the dash panel and the 3 pod all pre-assembled and ready for install tomorrow.
The dash panel first.


And now the 3 pod from Mike.


and


The top hole is empty awaiting the A/F gauge.  Then it is a voltmeter and a boost/vacumm gauge.  Yeah i know it is a silver ring but I will take care of that later.  First i need to get it up and running.  I will do that when i start on the interior.

The only part that bothers me is drilling two blind holes to mount the A pillar pod.  I guess i should have mounted it empty first and then put the gauges in it.   DUH!!!! Oh well might just do that anyway.

I will post the finished deal when i am done.  Next is the rest of the engine compartment on the drivers side.
jim




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hellfirejim

Oh Yeah, I was slowly loosing it.  Rain on Sat but sunny and 65 Sunday so you know where I will be.

jim
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bobscat

Looks good, glad to see your back at it again, it has been a long winter!  I know I am sooo ready to get back to working on my cars

hellfirejim

Well I actually have something to post.  I pulled the radio and opened up the plastic panel.  I then made an aluminum front plate to house two mechanical gauges.  Water and oil.  The pictures show the panel and fasteners.  I will paint the panel black before it gets bolted back in the car.  When that is done I will take a picture if anybody is interested or I might just post it anyway.  : )



and

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hellfirejim

Well the sun will be shining and it is supposed to get up to the mid 60s this weekend.  I plant to start the dig out and get back and start working.  It has been waaay to long.  Hopefully I will have some more pictures to post.

jim
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hellfirejim

Due to a about a foot od snow outside, I am posting something different but really important down the road.  My income check came in and I bought a air compressor.  Basically it is 110volt unit that pumps 6.6cfm at 90 psi.

http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/Air%20compressor/

jim
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FCANON

Looks good Jim...We're all waiting for the next step....keep it up.

Best of Luck
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hellfirejim

I have started the modification of the intake manifold.  To make the throttle linkage work I have to mount the carb "backwards".  This will have the primaries over the secondary part of the manifold and the secondaries over the primaries.  This really shouldn't make a difference in the flow.  I am opening up the plenium on the secondary side of the manifold because when I am in the secondaries most likely the turbo will be in boost.  As a side note, no mill here just hand tools.  Slow and steady but then again I have at least two months before i can even begin to think about working on the car.

I am starting to have concerns about clearance about the "box" and the cylinder head.  Might get interesting.

jim

Pictures.................VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/Manifold%20Mods/
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hellfirejim

Hello world!!! 
It gives me great pleasure to announce that I am back to work on my Pinto stuff.  Last night my carb came in the mail.  It was my christmas present to myself.  It is a 450CFM 4brl holley Modified for blow thru.
Here is a single picture:


There are more here:
http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/Blow%20through%20carb/

So now I can start the mods on my intake manifold and then start making my enclosure box for the turbo.  That should work out fine for me as I only plan to run about 10lbs or so of boost.

In case you have forgotten this is the manifold I will be starting with:


So with any luck I can get some work done and start posting again.  Ahhh life is good.
jim
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hellfirejim

For those that question on why all the work has stopped on my Pinto, I would like to present a picture of my Garage.
jim

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hellfirejim

Todays post has nothing to do with My Pinto but to say that I am totally blown away that there are over 1000 views of my project. :hypno:

Hopefully it has provided some help or inspiration or direction on how not to do it or at least some entertainment... ;D

I am just going to keep plugging along and doing what I can.

later

jim
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hellfirejim

Small update but I am moving on it.  I got the air horn done and is ready for installation.  I will post a link for the pictures but first I need to remind people that the tube part goes toward the outside and the bell will be facing inward.  Why? Because that way it will act like a diffuser and not cause issues with the carb.
http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/inlet%20tube/

Sometimes the best layed plans........   I was going to use a polycarbonate [lexan] to make the box and it would have held the pressure ok but I forgot that it was not resistant to gasoline.  Around the top of the carb is always a fog of gas and the fumes and such would have eaten it.  :embarassed: :rolleye: Oh well it will now be made of aluminum.

I got another accellerator cable, thanks tigger, and as soon as the carb gets back from getting modified I can start the actual layout of the box.

More later as it happens.
jim
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hellfirejim

Just a quick note that I am sending my carb out to be prepared for blowthrough.  An old friend of mine is doing it.  Won't be much work as this blowthrough will be a total enclosure that I am building.

jim
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hellfirejim

Well reality rears it's ugly head. My plan was to move the Pinto to a shop at times to work on it but I have found that due to my last health issue the cold weather is hitting really hard.  So I am going to leave it up on jackstands and car cover for the winter.  If it can't be inside then this is probably the next best thing.

HOWEVER, work is not stopping.  My carb i bought has arrived and i found the manifold that came with the car.  It is an old Offy 4 brl carb manifold.  I will get all this together this winter and this spring i will pull off the old carb and manifold.  and mount the new one.  Oh I almost forgot, there will a total enclosure around the carb because down the road it will be turbo charged. :surprised:  BTW: The enclosure will be of 1/4 polycarbonate or lexan....

These are the new pictures.  http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/carb%20and%20manifold/

jim
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hellfirejim

Time for another update.  First I got the slow leak in the right front tire taken care off so i can move it this winter.... :lol:

I also completed the battery box.  It is not finished as the holddown and the top are in primer and this spring I may just redo them but for now it is sealed and works just fine.

Here are the pictures.
http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/battery%20box/

jim
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turbo toy

Congratulations Jim! Considering the health issues you have had to deal with and the outside, open air garage you have come a long way. I'm really happy for you. Now, GET BACK TO WORK! :drunk:

hellfirejim

i forgot to add my buddy up the street with the shop has already started with improvments now that it runs.  We are going to add bigger wire for the fuel pump and electric fans with fuses at the power source to protect the rest of the wiring. 

We are also going to wire in a fuel pump cut off based on oil pressure.  No oil pressure no electric fuel pump.  good safety feature.

Just thought I had better post it before I forgot. : )
jim
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77turbopinto

Yes, Congrats!

Nothing like that feeling.....


Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

TIGGER

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73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

hellfirejim

It's is alive!   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

After all the issues and problems I got the starter in, spun it for oil pressure, re-connected everything and fired it up.   Damn what a great feeling....  Even better this means that this winter on some weekends when my buddy has an open bay in his shop I can move the car up there to work on it.

It is a good day to be alive.

jim
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hellfirejim

Well good new today.  I got the starter back from my local shop.  They put in a new armatuer with new bushings and bearings and stuff.  They also upgraded the brush holder and brushes.  The put in a bolt in stainless steel holder for the brushes that allows a new style of brush and all for $55.  ; )

Now if the doc oks it I can get it re-installed this weeked.... I hope.
jim
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turbowagonman

Don't feel bad Jim, I've got an "Open Air Garage Also", and it Snows here in Ohio!!!

turbowagonman
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hellfirejim

It has been a while since I posted.  I am almost done with the battery box install. Got the new cover made and I have to finish mounting the box and vent to the floor as it is a totally sealed unit.

I also sent the starter out to get rebuilt.   I still need to do a do small things like move the power wire for the switches to a switched 12v sorce but I am damn close to firing it up.

As soon as doc's give me clearnce I will be back at until it gets to cold or it snows. [open air garage]

jim
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hellfirejim

just a short update.  The "missing" battery found it's way home yesterday and i got my 3 pod from Map351 yesterday and I love it.    Raining so no work on the car... :mad:

jim
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