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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

1986 2.3 TURBO OUT OF THUNDERBIRD

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2point3turbo

I used the throttle cable from the Mustang that I got my T5 and driveline, it was an 89.
Must have more POWER!!!! Gimmee Gimmee Gimmee!!

pintoguy76

Im going to use the 88 TC engine, with a merkur harness, repinned for the LA3 and add the wire for the ACT, and use the T3 turbo from a pre 87 engine, with a header. Hoping to move the oxygen sensor down in the pipe some or at a different angle in the elbow, so i can keep the blower motor and stuff until i can get an AC box to put in. Going for the front mount intercooler as well. The murkur harness is easy to repin, easy to wire up, and doesnt have a ton of  extra crap in it that you dont need. The 88 engine has the injectors and the intake and all that good stuff in it already that you really need (due to heighth) I'm opting for a ranger roller cam, too. My car has an 8" rear but im going to go to some 3.55 gears instead of the 3.00's. Using a T5 transmission. The 88 engine will also have a serpintine belt system which i also prefer over the pre 87 engines. Obviously need the large VAM, and browntops wich are both in the 88 TC anyways. Im going to make a new supply line for the fuel, and use the stock return line. Using a walbro 255LPH pump. Just going to try and get a fox stang driveshaft from a junk yard, i dont think i need an aluminum one. You'll need a throttle cable from a TC too. I dont know if one will work from a merkur or mustang. I assume it would but like i said i dont know. Im sure there is info im forgetting, but ive got it in the back of my head. Youve already got lots of great information from everyone, just thought id share my opinion of what i thought would be best, based on what i am personally going to do hopefully this spring.
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DragonWagon

Thank you 2point3turbo, fomogo, and 77turbopinto for chiming in. I was hoping that some of you that have done this swap would put your 2 cents in and correct anything that I didn't have correct! It helps all of us to get a better handle on our conversions.

I am hoping to document my swap once I get into it a bit further. This will be over the next few years! I don't have the time or money to slap it together very quickly, and I want to do it right. I am rebuilding the motor from the ground up, shooting for 300 hp. I'm waiting for the internals to show up so I can send the block and head out for machine work. I'll be taking plenty of pics during the reassembly. I also plan on rebuilding the Garrett T3 as well as the WC T5 transmission.

Again, thank you all for your input. It is invaluable!
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1977 Cruising Wagon, to be turboed.
1979 glass hatchback. No motor atm.
1980 wagon parts car.

fomogo

On the question of brown top injectors...
I have had 84, 2 85s, and an 86.
The early production 85 had green tops, the late production 85 had browntops... and the 86 was browntops.
I believe that 1985 was a changeover for the turbocoupes. I refer to them as 85 and 85 1/2 as I have found a few that has greens and more that have had browns.


Jim
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77turbopinto

Quote from: fomogo on March 09, 2007, 05:30:44 AM
When choosing between an 86 and 88 ... if they are both the same price and condition...
Personally I would take the 86.
Larger turbo, same longblock, simpler... easier to use wiring harness.
The ECU and vam are the main diff... and the top mount "interheater".
I would be going FMIC so the IC would be useless. The VAM and ECU are cheap on ebay.
It isnt hard to repin the harness for the ECU.
Get the one in the best shape... look for a merkur harness... and have fun with the install.
Jim

I agree 100.%

Quote from: DragonWagon on March 09, 2007, 12:53:41 AM
1) Use the '86 motor since it has the Garrett T3 turbo, which responds to more boost better than the '88's IHI.

2) The '86 should also have the 35# brown top injectors. Not sure if the '88 does or not. If it does, flow all of them and use the best 4.

3) Use the '88's intake and intercooler or go with a front mount. Hood to intake clearance will be a challenge, since it is a tight fit unless you plan on cutting the hood for a scoop. I know that it can be done without cutting the hood by machining some off the upper intake and/or lowering the engine mounts. There is info on this forum.

4) There is also a clearance issue with the turbo and heater motor in non A/C model Pinto's. You'll also need to relocate your battery and take a hammer or cutting implement to it's former location to get clearance for the outer turbo exhaust flange. Pic's and info are a search away on this forum.

5) Use the '88's electronics and wiring, assuming that it has the LA3 ECU that came with the 5-speed models.

6) Rig up a new high pressure line for fuel to the rail. You can use your existing line for return. You'll need an inline fuel pump as well. Don't forget to include an inertia switch in your fuel pump wiring! 

7) Find yourself an 8" rearend out of a Mustang II (bolts right in) or '67-'69(?) Mustang which requires moving the mounts about an inch.

8) You'll need to swap out the driveline since the T-5 is longer. I can't remember off hand which one is the best fit, but if I remember correctly one of the Mustang's will work. Right length, after swapping out a u-joint? More research.


1) If you are keeping stock boost levels, the IHI is "better", but without an I/C either will do fine.

2) Yes, should be all brown tops. I have been told that the EARLY 86's had greens, but I have not seen any.

3) The 86 through 88 intakes will interchange, less the ACT that you don't need.

4) Having done both, I can say the T-3 is MUCH easier to work with. The IHI sticks out away from the engine further and the W/G actuator will need to be relocated.

5) No, don't use the 88 harness. Trust me, you won't like it. Yes, the LA3 was only in the 88 T/C.

6)  I used the stock Pinto lines, but changed the rubber to EFI hose and added the parts needed.

7) You don't need to move the perches on other 8" rears, just modify them. Also, the 67-73 rears are the same and much wider than a Pinto rear. The 64-66 rears are closer to the corret length. Keep in mind that all the 8" Stang rears are 5 lug.

8) The a fox body Mustang shaft will work. I have been told there are 10 different ones, but Ford only offers one length in alum. I have seen people spend a furtune on the "magic" U-joint. The Pinto REAR joint ($20.) has two different size caps; the ones for the driveshaft yoke are smaller, the ones for the axle are larger. Yes, you can u-blot the smaller caps (like the fox body ones) to the rear, but they ae the wrong size and might have a shortened life if used. The Pinto front ones are the same as a Fox body.

Quote from: 2point3turbo on March 09, 2007, 01:28:42 AM
Hes is on the right track with the Mustang drive line. Use a Fox body and it will go right in with no mods. I just did the T5 swap the other day, major difference!!! The tranny mount will just need the holes elongated to fit the T5 into the Pinto... easy!

Slight mod., see #8 above.



I did not post this to put anyone down, but to provide answers and information. There is a lot of mis-information out there when it comes to this topic.

There is a BUNCH of info in the FAQ setcion.

Bill
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fomogo

When choosing between an 86 and 88 ... if they are both the same price and condition...
Personally I would take the 86.
Larger turbo, same longblock, simpler... easier to use wiring harness.
The ECU and vam are the main diff... and the top mount "interheater".
I would be going FMIC so the IC would be useless. The VAM and ECU are cheap on ebay.
It isnt hard to repin the harness for the ECU.
Get the one in the best shape... look for a merkur harness... and have fun with the install.


Jim
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www.turbopinto.com

2point3turbo

Hes is on the right track with the Mustang drive line. Use a Fox body and it will go right in with no mods. I just did the T5 swap the other day, major difference!!! The tranny mount will just need the holes elongated to fit the T5 into the Pinto... easy!
Must have more POWER!!!! Gimmee Gimmee Gimmee!!

DragonWagon

Quote from: lugnut on March 08, 2007, 11:24:49 PM
I apologize in advance if this question has been asked before:
I am convinced that a turbo 2.3 is the way to go, and I'm gathering up parts;  I have found a 1986 and a 1988 turbo coupe- both complete running cars.  Can you give me some idea which year is a better setup in terms of ease to install and which runs better in normal driving. 
tia
mike

Well, I'm no expert since I haven't actually done a tc to pinto swap yet, but I am in the middle of prepping an '86 tc motor and have done a fair amount of research on this subject. Guess that makes me an armchair expert!  :laugh:
Ease of install really depends on how far you plan on going with your conversion, and how knowledgeable you are. If you plan on babying your ride and never cook the tires, you could get away with using your stock drivetrain, but where's the fun in that? The tc motor will bolt right in, since it is the same block. Fuel lines, engine wiring harness and electronics will need to be merged into the existing wiring. There is a lot of info on this site, as well as on turboford.net.
Since you have an 86 and an 88 t-bird, you already have most of the parts you'll need. If it was mine, this is what I'd do-

Use the '86 motor since it has the Garrett T3 turbo, which responds to more boost better than the '88's IHI.
The '86 should also have the 35# brown top injectors. Not sure if the '88 does or not. If it does, flow all of them and use the best 4.

(EDIT: Sorry, just reread your question and realized you don't have either t-bird yet. I'd go with the '88 if it's the 5-speed model.)

Use the '88's intake and intercooler or go with a front mount. Hood to intake clearance will be a challenge, since it is a tight fit unless you plan on cutting the hood for a scoop. I know that it can be done without cutting the hood by machining some off the upper intake and/or lowering the engine mounts. There is info on this forum.

There is also a clearance issue with the turbo and heater motor in non A/C model Pinto's. You'll also need to relocate your battery and take a hammer or cutting implement to it's former location to get clearance for the outer turbo exhaust flange. Pic's and info are a search away on this forum.

Use the '88's electronics and wiring, assuming that it has the LA3 ECU that came with the 5-speed models.

Rig up a new high pressure line for fuel to the rail. You can use your existing line for return. You'll need an inline fuel pump as well. Don't forget to include an inertia switch in your fuel pump wiring! 

Use the 5-speed transmission (assuming that you have one). The transmission mount is close to being the same as the pinto's, but not exact since the T-5 is a little longer. It doesn't look too difficult to modify the mount.

Find yourself an 8" rearend out of a Mustang II (bolts right in) or '67-'69(?) Mustang which requires moving the mounts about an inch.

You'll need to swap out the driveline since the T-5 is longer. I can't remember off hand which one is the best fit, but if I remember correctly one of the Mustang's will work. Right length, after swapping out a u-joint? More research.

Upgrade the brakes so the whoa matches the go. Remember, the stock tc has about twice the hp as a stock Pinto. The '88 tc electronics can deal with about 300 hp worth of air/fuel management so it gives you room to play.

I think that covers the basics. Not exactly a weekend swap, but it is doable. Like I said, it depends on how far you want to go.

If I'm incorrect on any of this information, please correct me. I have not done this conversion...yet, although I am building a kickass motor to do so.
1976 mpg Wagon. The start of it all.
1977 Cruising Wagon, to be turboed.
1979 glass hatchback. No motor atm.
1980 wagon parts car.

2point3turbo

I think that the 86 will have a much easier wiring harness to work with. The 88 might have the better ECU and VAM though. Either way its turbo and will be badazz!!! Wait for replies from the vets... they are WAY smarter and have helped me many many times.
Must have more POWER!!!! Gimmee Gimmee Gimmee!!

lugnut

I apologize in advance if this question has been asked before:
I am convinced that a turbo 2.3 is the way to go, and I'm gathering up parts;  I have found a 1986 and a 1988 turbo coupe- both complete running cars.  Can you give me some idea which year is a better setup in terms of ease to install and which runs better in normal driving. 
tia
mike

77turbopinto

Kool.

No damage to the car itself I hope.

We have not had Connie's car out yet, still winter up here, but she likes to look at it. If it wern't for winter, I would never get anything done on the cars.

Bill
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turbo toy

Yeah Bill,I literally exploded the turbo.It was a little costly,but it sure was fun.It even broke the compressor housing.How is Connie liking her car now that it has the turbo on it?We're building a Probe full tilt race car now with a 2.3 Pinto motor.This one is going to be running a BW 80 MM turbo at around 40 -45 pounds of boost and alky fired.I'm rebuilding the Pinto right now,but hope to have it back on the street in April.It should go 10's this time and still be a dependable daily driver.

77turbopinto

Curtis: OUCH.

You put the "car" in carnage!

Bill
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turbo toy

Quote from: 77turbopinto on February 21, 2007, 08:03:16 PM
To get a little more detailed, no you don't HAVE to, but you might WANT to.

As I mentioned in my post, I just swapped the ECU, VAM and installed a FMIC. IMHO if you are keeping the boost to stock levels, an IHI is better for the 2.3. If you plan on 18PSI or more, run the T-3. Keep in mind that with more boost, there is more maintenance.

Bill

Truer words were never spoken.Here's a pic of the T3/T4 57 trim I had on my daily driver.It felt so good at 26 pounds that I decided to run it at 30.It felt SOOOOO good that I turned her up to 32.It lasted several days with me beating on it hard.It was a lot of fun,but as you can see everything has it's limits.LOL You can click on the pic to enlarge it.I now have a new and improved turbo.Wonder where it will come apart? WOOO HOOO!


77turbopinto

To get a little more detailed, no you don't HAVE to, but you might WANT to.

As I mentioned in my post, I just swapped the ECU, VAM and installed a FMIC. IMHO if you are keeping the boost to stock levels, an IHI is better for the 2.3. If you plan on 18PSI or more, run the T-3. Keep in mind that with more boost, there is more maintenance.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

mrpinto

Today I came across a Merkur XR4TI amongst a buch of cars. It looks complete too. And best of all, I might be able to get it for free!! :o

Now all I need is another Pinto! :P
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1971 460 Drag Pinto

JELLO

Thank you all for your help. Sorry Bill for writing in capitals hard habit to break.

77turbopinto

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turbo toy

Yes,and it will definately improve performance.

JELLO

AS YOU KNOW THIS IS A NONE INTERCOOLED TURBO. CAN IT BE UPGRADED TO AN INTER COOLER WITHOUT CHANGING THE TURBO