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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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joecool85

Ok, that makes sense.  Anyone have a dyno plot from a pinto so I can see where I'm aiming for?
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I hope you can make some sense out of this mumbo jumbo i wrote.  the reason why your 1.9 liter escort will do 75 mph at 3k and the 2.3 won't is all where the motor makes it torque and horse power,or at least where it really starts coming on strong. you could take a jap car motor that doesn't redline till 8,000 but only starts really making torque at 5000 rpm or a Buick 455 that has 510 lbs of torque at around 1900 rpm. you have to be able to match the speed you want somewhere in the torque curve.bottom line is the 1.9 probably has a broader torque curve then a pinto motor.

joecool85

I was doing some thinking, and like I said, the 88hp escort we had did fine in 5th gear which was 3k @ 75mph, the same this pinto would be.  The escort had a 1.9 CVH motor with 88hp, 108tq.  I checked and the 2.3 is rated at 88hp 118tq for the pintos.  The same hp, 10 more tq, and they weigh about the same.  I see no reason why it wouldn't be fine.  Now, it won't be any speed demon, but it should be totally driveable.
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My family own 2 1994 escorts, the only difference being tranny.  Also, I have seen MANY stock escort ZX2 dynos, and the manual tranny ones always have at least 6 more hp than autos.  They are 130hp at the crank btw.
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Quote from: joecool85 on August 01, 2006, 04:17:14 PM
Then explain to me why an auto 94 escort gets an average of 28mpg, and a 5spd identical to it gets 34 average?  And the same goes for pretty much every car and truck I've ever seen.  The reason is, in a manual transmission, there is less drivetrain loss.  Thats the same reason why on a dyno if you have a 5spd and an auto of the same car, the 5spd will put more power down to the wheels.

 I can't.  And your wrong about the dyno.  I race, build cars.  There are a lot of factors that go into one car dyno'ing more than another.  I have never seen two identical cars with the only difference being the transmission dyno together but I have seen cars close to each dyno way different numbers.  Where did you get the mileage figures for the Escort that shows this difference?

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77turbopinto

He just said it was possible, and to that I agree.

There are too many variables that would need to be consitered.

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ADDED: Now I see exactly what he is talking about, the difference between city and highway. Yes, I agree with Jake, it is POSSIBLE.
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Gaslight

Bill,

  You're right.  That is were consistency comes in and the auto will win everytime.  Also on the freeway the AOD will lockup and you get a 1:1 the same as a 5 speed anyways.  If you look at the window stickers in two identical new cars with the only real exception being the transmission and auto will have a better average between city and highway.

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Quote from: Gaslight on August 01, 2006, 04:11:58 PM
Bill,

 Right on the money.  That's why i said average between city and freeway.  Given a AOD versus a manual 5 speed.  Autos generally come out with the better MPG numbers.

Jake

Then explain to me why an auto 94 escort gets an average of 28mpg, and a 5spd identical to it gets 34 average?  And the same goes for pretty much every car and truck I've ever seen.  The reason is, in a manual transmission, there is less drivetrain loss.  Thats the same reason why on a dyno if you have a 5spd and an auto of the same car, the 5spd will put more power down to the wheels.
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Jake keep in mind that most a/t's are heavyer, and mileage would depend an a bunch of other factors. (like we are talking about)

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Quote from: joecool85 on August 01, 2006, 04:11:35 PM
Regardless, this thread wasn't about tires so much as gas mileage.  So, do you think that 30mpg is possible in a pinto?  Thats the big question here.

 Yes.   But your original post had variables in it.  That is what we are discussing.  I think 30 MPG is possible in a Kenworth.  Until you start talking about specifics.

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Bill,

 Right on the money.  That's why i said average between city and freeway.  Given a AOD versus a manual 5 speed.  Autos generally come out with the better MPG numbers.

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Regardless, this thread wasn't about tires so much as gas mileage.  So, do you think that 30mpg is possible in a pinto?  Thats the big question here.
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77turbopinto

I know what those #'s are supposed to mean; same thing with the EPA milage estimates.

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77turbopinto

Jake, I agree, there are trade-offs. The only thing about a m/t is you don't loose power through the tranny and t/c, but with a lock-up t/c and highway driving...

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Gaslight

That just says what I just told you.  A 60 series tire puts more face on the ground than a 75 series tire.  A 60 series as more rolling resistence.  Just another reason why Bonneville cars don't run 40 series tires.

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When I was running in the x-car division at my local track we had to run street tires that were 65 or narrower. I ran 195 65 14's on my car. I would find used ones of different brands and models with tread widths ranging from 5.25" to 7". They all seemed to be much closer in height.

If you are looking for mileage I would think any '80' tire would do better than a '65' with all else equal.

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Gaslight

Right.  But a 165/65/14 has more rolling resistence than a 165/75/14.  The less resistence on the road the easy the motor runs the car down the steet.  Also I should have clarified that a auto with an overdrive will get better average fuel economy city and street combined than a manual.  Shifting is more consistent and usually down at peak effciency if all things are working correctly.  You could never shift in the same place every time no matter how good you think you are.  Also depending on the model Pinto you are thinking about getting it will have a pressure ratio and a wind resistence.  I am pretty sure Bill is right and that a 2.3 does not have the horsepower to maintain 75 mph at that RPM.  A fuel injection motor will probably be able to do it but not a carb motor.

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First, right now this is theory, I don't own a pinto yet.

Second, the way tire sizing works in P-metric sizing (IE - 175/65/14) is width in mm, aspect ratio, then rim size.

So a 175/65/14 is 175mm wide, 113.75mm tall off the rim (175 x 0.65) and goes on a 14" rim.  Old school tire sizing is like current floatation sizing.  IE -  33" x 10.5" - 15" which would be a 33" tall tire that is 10.5" wide on a 15" rim.
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Quote from: joecool85 on August 01, 2006, 11:30:20 AM
...why would a 70/75 series tire be better than something else?

In my experience, better mileage is had with skinny tires (IE 165-175 as opposed to 205 or bigger) run at higher pressure. 

That # on the tire is not the really the width, that is the size. Narrow tires like 75's or 80's will tend to give you better mileage over 70's, 65's,...... Taller and skinny would be better for milage alone.

Higher pressures (over inflation) can reduce rolling resistance of the tire and give better mileage too, but sometimes at a cost of tire life and safe handling of the vehicle.

Keep us posted on how the MAX MPG project goes.

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joecool85

Alright, Now I'm thinking this is totally possible.  If you look here: http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?did=812&scid=77 it says a 75 pinto (2600lbs) got 26mpg and a 1981 escort (2100lbs) got 33mpg.  The escort was still carb'd at that point.  I'm thinking that one of the lighter years of pintos (71-73) could easily get 30mpg with a 5spd tranny so it has OD, and a modern ignition.  I think even the heavier years, 74-80, could do 30 mpg with the mods I've been talking about.  Definetly worth a shot to me.  I've always considered 30mpg my "baseline" gas mileage for highway mpg in a small car.  My 94 tracer got 32 regular driving and 36-40 highway, and my ZX2 gets 27 regular, 30-33 highway.  If I could almost match those numbers for my 2001 ZX2 in a 70s carb'd pinto, that would be wicked cool!
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Oh I know FI is way better for MPG/efficiency.  If I go FI I will probably still go with a vulcan 3.0 V6 which gives an auto taurus 30mpg highway, so it should give a 5spd pinto at least that.  But I was looking into carbs to keep in old school, and also I just hate dealing with computers/sensors all over the place.

I think that with a good running 2.3 mated to a mustang 5spd, 4.10 gears, 175/65/14 tires, header, K&N (or similar) filter and an upgraded ignition I should be getting around 30mpg highway, 24 city.  This is assuming a non station wagon pinto btw.  All of that should cost me $1000 or so by my figuring.  And it'd be well worth it if I could get it to all work out.

I was basically wondering what the highest mpg anyone gets in a carb'd pinto.
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77turbopinto

If it is environmental 'costs' you are looking at, then you need to go deeper into how much emissions the car will put out. A low emission emitting car at 20MPG might not pollute as much has a high emissions car at 30MPG. IMHO, A, EFI would be MUCH better to do that job (thats why they are in cars).


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I'm not so much doing it to save money so much as to lessen my impact on the environment.  I might do 4.10s in the rear, that would equal out to 3k at 75mph, which was about the same as my 1994 escort did (88hp, 2400lbs) and it did fine in fifth gear.

I don't see it costing more than $500 for the carb (I've seen new ones as low as $300), $50-$250 for gears and the tires etc I was going to get anyway.  So I'd be looking at a min of $350 and a max of $750.  In a year, two years max I'd get back my "investment."  That is assuming I can get 30mpg out of a carb.  I really like carbs, computers are over rated.  Keep in mind this is coming from a New Media major, I deal with computers every day.  Macs, Windows, Linux (mostly slackware and ubuntu) and also I've dealt with computers in cars, what a pain.

**edit**
btw, I just found out that gremlins get about 30mpg highway with a 3.3 I6 motor.  They must have been carbed back in 71.
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77turbopinto

IMHO: A stock N/A 2.3 will not like fifth gear and keeping the car rolling at that speed doing 2700rpm.  I think you will be shifting to 4th a lot.

There are EFI turbo Pintos out there that get close to those MPG #'s, and do well cruising at that RPM. I have 3.40's in mine, get better than 25 MPG (with my foot in it all the time), and it does fine.

Typically a carb will not get you better milage than EFI, nor will most A/T's over M/T's.

You can try to match up tranny gears, rear gears, and tire size to get the full ratio's you are looking for.

There have been a few posts about MPG increases in Pintos (and other cars). IF you are doing these mods STRICTLY for the MPG, you need to keep in mind what your COST RECOVERY will be (how many miles do you need to drive it to start saving money?).

Example: If it cost you 3k to do the updates, and you get 30MPG VS 20MPG out of the car:

10K miles at 20MPG = 500 Gallons @ $3.50 a gallon = $1750.
10K miles at 30MPG = 334 Gallons @ $3.50 a gallon = $1167.

It would save $583. every 10K miles driven so one would need to drive the car over 50K miles to off-set a 3K investment.

I did not say don't do it, just look at the #'s, and decide what is right for you.

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joecool85

The 2.3 is what I was talking about.  Why would an auto get better mileage?  And why would a 70/75 series tire be better than something else?

In my experience, better mileage is had with skinny tires (IE 165-175 as opposed to 205 or bigger) run at higher pressure.  Also, I don't think I've ever really heard of an auto getting better gas mileage than a stick.  Unless we are talking about a stick w/o over driver compared to an auto w/ overdrive.  But the 5spd in those stangs have a .69 5th gear.  Like I said, it'd be around 2.7k RPM at 75mph.  Heck, my 5spd escort revs a tick higher than that at 75mph.
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Gaslight

I don't know with a carb or not.  I can put you onto a carb rebuild shop here in California that can still rebuild the carbs right.  I see new Weber replacment units still popping up all over the place it seems.  You will get better mileage with an auto.  Going to a 70 or a 75 series tire will improve mileage.  If you're stuck on a 5 speed you will need to go through all the 5 speed build codes and pick one and find it since they did not all come with the same final gear.  Finding one for a 2.3 would be better I think.  Anything you can do to the motor to help it breathe and get rid of the exhaust easier will improve mileage also.

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Ok, at first I was thinking a 3.0 V6 (pulled from ranger) would make a great pinto motor.  And it would, but it would be a lot of modification, plus I like carbs and you'd be losing that.  The thing is, I'd like to be able to get 30 (or close) on the interstate cruising 65-75mph.  Here is my idea:

2.3 pinto (swap if necessary)
new carb
5spd tranny from mustang
3.73 rear gears w/ 205/60/14 tires

From my calculations, the car should be around 2700rpm @ 75mph in 5th gear.

Now here are my questions:

Where can I get a new carb for a 2.3?  I know you can rebuild the old ones, but newer carbs are inherently more efficient.

Will the 5spd from the 2.3 mustang bolt in ok?

Do you think this should yield 30mpg or so highway?
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