Mini Classifieds

1978 hatch back

Date: 11/29/2019 03:18 pm
1973 Pangra gauge and tach panel

Date: 11/02/2019 10:25 am
'79 Ford Pinto, Green,

Date: 10/29/2019 11:50 am
75 wagon need parts
Date: 05/28/2020 05:19 pm
Need right door for pinto or bobcat 1977 to 1980 station wagon
Date: 08/03/2018 09:19 am
1979 Pinto Sedan Delivery

Date: 06/15/2019 03:30 pm
Wanted - 71-73 Pinto grill
Date: 12/15/2016 03:32 pm
1971-74 Various Pinto Parts
Date: 01/18/2020 03:44 pm
1971 Pinto Runabout turn key driver

Date: 07/01/2019 12:23 pm

Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

Members
Stats
  • Total Posts: 139,575
  • Total Topics: 16,267
  • Online today: 628
  • Online ever: 2,670 (May 09, 2025, 01:57:20 AM)
Users Online
  • Users: 0
  • Guests: 441
  • Total: 441
F&I...more

My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

ford-pinto.jpg

I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

My Cruiser Wagon Project.....

Started by TIGGER, July 31, 2006, 12:23:06 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.

TIGGER

I lied, the license plate bulb was missing.  A new bulb and it is working.  Now all my exterior lights work.  I started lowering the car this afternoon.  I have the passenger side done and back together.  I am half way done with the drivers side.  I noticed that the rack is leaking out of the boots on both sides.  That is a major bummer as I just sold my spare power steering rack last week  :'(  Has anyone rebuilt or resealed them?  I think I will start another post on the rack.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

TIGGER

Tonight, I changed out the parking light socket with another NOS unit that I had.  The light and turn signal work properly.  Now all my exterior lights work ;D  I hope to get some more time with the car this weekend.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

TIGGER

Thanks High_Horse, it looks better than it really is but it is much nicer than before.  I have not had much time this past week to fool with the car as my dad is in town for a visit.  I have been spending most of my free time with him.  For some reason the battery on Tigger was dead this week so while it was charging today, I decided to fool with the wagon some.  I decided to get the reverse lights working.  I pulled the tail lights and one of the sockets just crumbled.  I spliced in a good used one and changed the bulbs and now they are both working.  While I was at it, I swapped out the marker light bulbs that were burned.  I also swapped the tail lights and bezels for some nice used ones.  These are not pitted and have perfect paint.  However the front turn signal is still giving me problems.  I think I will have to switch out the socket as this NOS one has a bad ground wire :(  I found the caution fan cover today  ;D
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

High_Horse

Wow!!!!   Looks like new....hope mine looks that good.

                                                                                                   High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

TIGGER

Last night I worked on the shifter light as it was not working.  I had to replace the wiring harness to get it to work.  While I was at it, I cleaned up the shfter from all the goop and dirt that accumilated thru the years.  I had a little more time so I started to restore the shifter bezel.  I repainted the trim and cleaned up the lens.  Tonight I replaced the seal.  I bought a repro seal from a 65 Mustang and modified it to fit.  Not bad for $3.00.  Here is a picture of the finished bezel. 
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

cromcru

if you do lower your car. nice job on it. the two ways to go are. either a drop spindle or a coil over shock conversion. this way you dont have to play with ball joints or lower mounting points on the I arm
79 bobcat  78 ford pinto station wagon   93 ford mustang lx   90 ford mustang cont lx  63 chevy truck    52 studebaker 2r16a

TIGGER

Since the car is still up in the air, I think my next project will be to lower the front.  If I don't do it now, I don't think I will.  I lowered my 79 and really like the look.  I am thinking of lossening the lower control arm from the frame and dropping the spring that way.  I don't want to mess with the ball joints.  Here is what my 79 looks like compared to the cruising wagon.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

TIGGER

Thanks Cookieboy

I spent the better part of the afternoon cleaning up the garage and picking up tools.  I am far from done but it is better.  The clutter that was in front of the car is gone now.  My bench is some what better as well.  After dinner I installed the turn signal housing I broke.  I had to change the socket again as well because the wiring was all messed up too.  I put a NOS socket on but it still had problems with the ground wire ???  I think I got it fixed now.  After I finished that, I cleaned up the aircleaner.  I polished it up a bit but it could use more.  For now, I am considering the engine done.  Here is a picture of the engine with the aircleaner on as well as one before I started. 
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

Cookieboystoys

Aaaaa... I see, mistook Nov for Dec...

my mistake but in my defence it was almost 1:30 am when I left that post, my nights seem to be getting later and later...

Still Excellent Work and Good Job  ;D
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

TIGGER

It runs!!!!!  I had it running for a couple minutes, I had to shut it down when the garage filled up with smoke from the paint heating up.  As soon as I did, everyone was going what's that smell ::)  I wish I could be out :fastcar: it but there are a few things more I want to do since it is still up in the air.  For one I need to replace the turn signal housing I broke.  Slowly but surely it is getting done ;D

Thanks Cookieboy, but it has been almost two months ;D 
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

Cookieboystoys

Tigger, 2 more days and it will be a month since you pulled the motor... excellet work/job. 
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

TIGGER

I went and picked up my 79 wagon today from my mom's house.  I brought it home and swapped the carb out.  After dinking around with that car I moved to the crusing wagon.  I pretty much finished the engine today.  I ran all the vacuum lines, using the 79 as a guide.  It is as close to factory as I can get it.  I had to dig into my parts pile to get all the correct tee's and 90 degree elbows.  I found all but one.  All I need is to add some coolant .  I tried to start the car but the battery was weak and did not last long.  I poured some gas down the carb and the engine caught but did not run right.  I know the timing is off as the distributor is loose so I will have to play with it once it starts.  The car did not have much gas left in it when I pulled the motor.  I will get some fresh gas tomorrow and try again.  Here are a couple of pictures.  The only things left to install are the hood and the caution fan thing that I can't find.  It was missing when I bought the car but I have one for it.  I can't find it at the moment ???The air cleaner is on but it is dirty.  I will eventually clean it and the lid.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

TIGGER

Tonight, I changed the transmission filter.  This transmission looks to be in great shape.  There was no band residue in the pan.  It was pretty darn clean inside.  I also installed the radiator but I broke one of the clamps.  I will have to get one in the morning.  I plan on going to get my dad's 79 wagon tomorrow.  I need to swap the carb out.  While I am at it, I will use the car to connect the vacuum lines.  I will post some pics tomorrow.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

TIGGER

Thanks Farmboy, it was in the 20's yesterday.  I had my propane heater going for a couple hours in the morning before I started in the garage.  It was nice and toasty when I started.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

Farmboy

  Tigger, how cold is it in Portland, man it's cold up here in Wa. You must have a good woodstove in your shop to work on you project in this kind of weather.
  She is lookin great
  I do what the voices in my Pinto tell me to do




74 Pinto Wagon
71 Runabout (parts car)

TIGGER

I worked on the car some more this afternoon.  I pulled the transmission back to make sure I had the torque converter in all the way.  For some reason it would not spin so I could not line up the torque converter to the flywheel.  Once it was back in everything lined up properly.  Pretty much, everything is in now, starter, driveline, exhaust.  I installed the battery and turned the motor over but it was pretty weak so I did not crank it much.  All that is left is the hood, radiator, and vacuum lines.  I also need to change the tranny filter and pan gasket before I start it.  No new pictures today as everything pretty much looks the same.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

DragonWagon

Looking good Tigger! Glad someone is making headway on their project. It's hard to get motivated when it's raining or cold or snowing outside! Well, come to think about it, I did do some work on my CW... got the title transfered! Does that count?  :D

Now if I could get the ol lady to buy me a shop, I could get some of these cars out of the yard...
1976 mpg Wagon. The start of it all.
1977 Cruising Wagon, to be turboed.
1979 glass hatchback. No motor atm.
1980 wagon parts car.

TIGGER

Thanks guys... Tonight I worked on the car some.  I replaced the lower rubber fuel lines.  I also swapped out the transmission wiring harness for a better one.  THen I installed the transmission (C3).  Man that sucker is heavy.  All the bellhousing bolts are in.  The ground cable is connected as well as the transmission dip stick and starter wire holder.  I ended the evening with replacing the rubber line for the vaccuum module thing with the correct metal line which I still had from the parts car this transmission came from.  However I do not really remember how it goes since it has been 5 years since I parted the car that particular car out.  I think I have it correct on the transmission but I am having problems getting it to look right up top.  I think I will post something in the general help section.  I have the cross member in but it is just holding it in for the time being.  Hopefully tomorrow, if it isn't too cold, I will work on it some more.  I would like to get the transmission finished, speedo, shifter, tranny lines, torque converter, driveline, etc
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

wagonmaster

Hey Tigger!

Looking good! I just hope mine ends up looking as good when I get to that point!
Brien - wagonmaster
'85 LTD LX
'85 LTD Squire wagon

Pintony

Hey Tigger,
Looks GREAT!
The pilot bearings are a PAIN!!!!

R U going to clean up the hood latch?
That would finish the job!!!
From Pintony

TIGGER

Here is one more picture of the engine compartment without the engine.  It was still early when I finished so I decided to drop the motor in.  I ran into a snag with the stupid pilot bearing.  Since the cruising wagon is an automatic and my parts car was a 4spd, the pilot bearing had to come out.  It took me three hours to get the stupid thing out.  The hook on my slide hammer was too big to fit thru the hole.  I packed it full of grease but that did not work.  I ended up chiseling the thing out.  What a pain in the  :showback:  Once it was out, I installed the dust shield and flex plate.  Here is a picture with the motor in the car.  Hopefully I will have time on Monday to work on the car. 
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

TIGGER

I had some time to work on the car today.  I painted the engine compartment over Thanksgiving weekend.  The color is a little off.  I had a hard time finding a decent shade of orange.  Last weekend, I put the majority of the engine compartment together.  Today, I fixed the wiring harnesses that was broken as well as the wiring for the voltage regulator.  Here are some pictures of the engine compartment ready for the engine.  It is not perfect by any means.  I left the firewall alone as well as the upper half of the driver side as the original paint was not too bad.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

wagonmaster

Hi Tigger,

I concur about the windshield weatherstrip. It leaked in such a way that it appeared as though it was the heater core, so knowing the top quality of the Ford heater cores, I bypassed the heater core and, low and behold, I STILL HAD THE LEAK!! After practically drowing my car, I found the leak in the lower passenger side windshield weatherstrip. Once I sealed it up, no more problems! I have a new weatherstrip that will get installed eventually.
Brien - wagonmaster
'85 LTD LX
'85 LTD Squire wagon

TIGGER

Thanks for the tip, I will keep that in mind when I start hunting down the leak or leaks.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

douglasskemp

Hey tigger, you might want to check the gasket and sealing surface around the windshield.  My old 78 sedan had that problem, though decidedly less so than yours, as mine didn't rust through.  My gasket had cracked right above the heater core (oh the time I spent troubleshooting THAT for nothing) allowing water to get in anytime the car got wet.  I took it to one of those DIY car washes and had a buddy spray the car while I sat inside.  Found it in less than ten minutes.

Bring quarters!

Another way to go would solve your engine bay goo too.  Get yourself a power sprayer.  Then you can try to find your leak, and degrease the engine bay, all from the comfort of your own driveway.  Just a thought.  Very nice work by the way.  I have always liked the leaned back look of those 77-78 cars.
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

TIGGER

Thanks, it was not as nice as I originally thought.  I was a little blindsided by the floor board.  I am not disapointed, as the price was very fair since all the cruising wagon stuff is present and in great shape;D  I think once I am done it will be a decent car.  I will be positing an update soon, I just need some time to clean a few things up. 
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

78PintoProject

very nice 78 cruiser wagon :hypno:

TIGGER

Thanks, my wife has been getting after me for the past year to get working on it or get rid of it.  I dinked around off and on but finally got working on it this fall.  I hope to get the motor and transmission swap done and running before Christmas.  I want to get my Mustang back in the garage as soon as possible.  I would like to get the floor board done as well but I think that will be a while still since my other Mustang on the other side is in the middle of a disc brake conversion.  I don't want to be welding with it in the garage.

There were a bunch of pine needles in the cowl when I bought it.  I promtly pulled the hood hinges and the inner fender liners and cleaned them all out.  I ran a ton of water down there and did not see any leaks.  However the leak has got worse since I got it.  Last winter the water started to puddle where as the year before the carpets were hardly wet.  THere was just a lot of moisture inside the car.  I will see when I get the car back outside.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

oldkayaker

You get a lot more done than I do, great progress. 

If the sealant on the cowl to fire wall seam does not fix the leak, check the stand pipe inside the cowl that feeds fresh air to the heater box (about 8" diameter).  Leaves collect around the pipe keeping the area moist and Ford's painting in there was not the best.  On about half the Pinto's I had, this area rusted through allowing water to puddle on the passenger floor.  Of course I live in Florida where it rains every day in the summer.
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

TIGGER

A couple more pictures
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)