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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

in search of Steering Column for 1980 Pinto

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Pintosopher

Ahh Yes ,you're always welcome ;D We'll continue to strive to keep all "racks" properly aligned, and wheels pointed to the best apex you can find. Of course, properly fitted Tack always keeps the Rack directed in a pleasing way! ;)

Pintosopher, it's a perky, quirky world, Button up those loose ends ;D
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

cutelitlputtputt

Quote from: pintosopher on January 06, 2018, 12:39:03 PM
If the Bearings in the column are failing then you would "feel a change" in the resistance at the steering wheel. This might explain why the column would look bent viewed from in the engine compartment If the Rack is adjusted too tight for "free play" You'll feel a looseness when driving straight ahead, but will stiffen up when unwinding back to center from turned position. This is less pronounced with power steering assist, But might explain why the Pressures to overcome the stiffness are causing leaks.  If the rack is worn where the toothed portions of the rack pass through the rack housing , then a play issue will confound any attempt to set end play properly. A full inspection is necessary to get this solved..

A wordy explanation.. Hip bone connected to the Thigh bone.. etc..

Pintosopher U know it's a puzzle, do the frame first ;) Oh the Racks of Life, Align them for good function. ;)

Thank you Joe, this does make sense!

I am going to cut and paste all good replies onto one paper and read them to The Master Mechanic

Now, I could print everything here .... "Look Armando....look what I'm into!!!"
Anything to keep her runnin'!

Pintosopher

If the Bearings in the column are failing then you would "feel a change" in the resistance at the steering wheel. This might explain why the column would look bent viewed from in the engine compartment If the Rack is adjusted too tight for "free play" You'll feel a looseness when driving straight ahead, but will stiffen up when unwinding back to center from turned position. This is less pronounced with power steering assist, But might explain why the Pressures to overcome the stiffness are causing leaks.  If the rack is worn where the toothed portions of the rack pass through the rack housing , then a play issue will confound any attempt to set end play properly. A full inspection is necessary to get this solved..

A wordy explanation.. Hip bone connected to the Thigh bone.. etc..

Pintosopher U know it's a puzzle, do the frame first ;) Oh the Racks of Life, Align them for good function. ;)
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

cutelitlputtputt

Quote from: blupinto on January 05, 2018, 10:57:34 PM
Dick, you're way too kind... I've been fortunate in the steering column department. I did replace a power steering pump in an '82 Capri once. All my Pintos have manual steering, so no fluids. If they have zerks, then I'll grease them. I'm going out on a limb here and guessing it's either hydraulic hoses or the pump itself.  Is that all it's doing? Leaking? If you can make it to Fallbrook, I know someone who might be able to figure out what's going on and maybe fix it for a decent price. I'll have to ask him tomorrow.

Hey Becky!!

There is a problem with the column or related somehow.  I can feel the dent when I turn the steering wheel. 

Someone suggested I take pictures of the area.  The Pinto is always at the doctors!  I can do that when it is on the lift next time. 

There was always a lot of play in the steering since I had it.  One guy said there was too much play.  I had the steering tightened and that is when it was discovered about the column.  I wonder if my Pumpkin was in a bad accident at one time before I bought it.  I bought it from a dealer when it was 7 years old.  I wonder if they were trying to cover up the steering column issue by adjusting it with a lot of play.  I have no idea.  My dad's friend at the time worked for Villa Ford in Anaheim.  It was thru him we got my Pumpkin!
Anything to keep her runnin'!

blupinto

Dick, you're way too kind... I've been fortunate in the steering column department. I did replace a power steering pump in an '82 Capri once. All my Pintos have manual steering, so no fluids. If they have zerks, then I'll grease them. I'm going out on a limb here and guessing it's either hydraulic hoses or the pump itself.  Is that all it's doing? Leaking? If you can make it to Fallbrook, I know someone who might be able to figure out what's going on and maybe fix it for a decent price. I'll have to ask him tomorrow.

One can never have too many Pintos!

Pintosopher

Quote from: cutelitlputtputt on January 05, 2018, 02:04:40 PM
We need a big pooper scooper behind all the Ponies here!!!
No Column to get bent over
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cutelitlputtputt

We need a big pooper scooper behind all the Ponies here!!!
Anything to keep her runnin'!

Pintosopher

Quote from: cutelitlputtputt on January 04, 2018, 04:14:27 PM
Now, back to fun!

Some people like to yank on my chain but I won't let it get me down ..
I yank back and pull myself up!

Hmm, There is fun wherever you look for it. In ewe N Doh ;D , We will find hilarity and gut busting Flatulence wherever the Ponies reside ::)
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cutelitlputtputt

Now, back to fun!

Some people like to yank on my chain but I won't let it get me down ..
I yank back and pull myself up!
Anything to keep her runnin'!

Pintosopher

Hmm .. Steering issues left the road days ago, Unknown outcome to column diagnosis. Now the column must come out for review, or we'll check the  Brakes and see if the car left the road for Sticky calipers and loose suspension.. it's just a Ducky situation, and the Mechanic hasn't been heard from.
  Time for a service in Pit Lane ::)
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

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dick1172762

I think this thread should be removed or at least stop'd
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pintosopher

It would appear that the right Chain can straighten a Column ;D
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

cutelitlputtputt


All Right, my thread .... I can post what I want!

Message Sent via Pony Express:


Anything to keep her runnin'!

Pintosopher

Quote from: dick1172762 on January 03, 2018, 05:33:14 PM
You can't bend a chain don't you know? This post turned into rattling a chain long ago. Only way to fix it is by litigation or prison time for the guilty party. SAYLAVEE buckaroo. The word "Buckaroo" was used in Die Hard by Bruce Willis and Alan Rickman.
I did Locate a piece of Rod Stock in my storage unit. I'll get that bent for calipers holders later! The Chain was too floppy... :o
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

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dick1172762

Hell it might excite me too! But remember that it takes two to Tango! Ho lay is the word.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pintosopher

Quote from: dick1172762 on January 03, 2018, 05:33:14 PM
You can't bend a chain don't you know? This post turned into rattling a chain long ago. Only way to fix it is by litigation or prison time for the guilty party. SAYLAVEE buckaroo. The word "Buckaroo" was used in Die Hard by Bruce Willis and Alan Rickman.
Chains can be used for binding things, Oops, that might excite the author of this  thread...  :o
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

dick1172762

You can't bend a chain don't you know? This post turned into rattling a chain long ago. Only way to fix it is by litigation or prison time for the guilty party. SAYLAVEE buckaroo. The word "Buckaroo" was used in Die Hard by Bruce Willis and Alan Rickman.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pintosopher

Hmm, How did this thread get so "bent" on content? Peeps and hares on the Twinkies? The car below is sometimes referred to as a Twink :D But I'll get this Column Straight if it takes all month ;)
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

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Pintosopher

Quote from: cutelitlputtputt on December 29, 2017, 10:25:16 PM
If Armando does not want to play with my Rubber Duckie .... than can I play with his?!!


News Flash:

Late night for you Armando ... once again. 
The Shop is long closed .... the street is dark and your Camaro is alone ... :(

Oh where are you Armando ... where are you? 
Oh where do you go?
Are you perhaps with some other Hoe....? >:(

Armando wishes to turn the Soil, So he's out with a "tiller" and thatching the Turf! ;)
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

cutelitlputtputt

If Armando does not want to play with my Rubber Duckie .... than can I play with his?!!


News Flash:

Late night for you Armando ... once again. 
The Shop is long closed .... the street is dark and your Camaro is alone ... :(

Oh where are you Armando ... where are you? 
Oh where do you go?
Are you perhaps with some other Hoe....? >:(
Anything to keep her runnin'!

Pintosopher

Quote from: cutelitlputtputt on December 26, 2017, 07:59:52 PM
Is Armando sure he really wants a used Rubber Duckie?
Especially after all that Christmas Cheer!

..........Suddenly I have an urge to set sail for de Nile!!!!


The River is wide, Armando is durable, The Duckie.... Well, it's flexible ;D  The bubbles are in need of freshening, and the Soap could use some Hemp added..  ;D ;D :o Glub Glub.. Poooshh! a geyser! ;)
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

cutelitlputtputt

Is Armando sure he really wants a used Rubber Duckie?
Especially after all that Christmas Cheer!

..........Suddenly I have an urge to set sail for de Nile!!!!

Anything to keep her runnin'!

Pintosopher

Qvack Qvack... Armando wants his Ducks back.. And his Egyptian cotton towels... ;)
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

cutelitlputtputt

Quote from: Wittsend on December 22, 2017, 11:24:33 AM
It seems "cabin Fever" has set in and a few minds are being affected!


All this talk about soap, bent things, and rope has affected what's going on in my cabin!!  I seem to have forgotten why I even started this thread ... :P
Hummm....I can't seem to recollect ...oh well....

....I do see fragrant bubbles in my future!
Champaign on ice ... - (sounds of cracklin ice and a pop from the cork)
rubber ducky - (loud, rapid squeekies in running water)
...........and alas, the infamous Soap on the Rope!

I think I have it all ... No ...
Wait, something appears to be missing....  ???

Let's see ... . . water-check ....
Fragrant bubbles - enough to put Lawrence Welk to shame -check
Champaign - (pops the cork) -check
Rubber Ducky - (happy squeaks) - check
Soap...Rope...yeah - check

Ohhhhh I know!!!!
the main dish is missing ....the  boy toy!!! .... ;)

"Armando....Armando.. where are you .... Wanna come play with my Rubber Ducky!?"  ;D

(happy squeaks under running water can now be heard!)

(...CLUNCK!!! ).... "Oh oh I seem to have dropped the soap Armando!"  :-[





Anything to keep her runnin'!

Pintosopher

Quote from: dga57 on December 22, 2017, 04:27:36 PM
I've always told my wife that if I stop looking, it will either mean that I've found someone or I'm dead!

Dwayne ;) ::) :o

A Pair of Ducksical point of view from the Cave Man's perspective. And then the T Rex ate him! ;D
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dga57

Quote from: dick1172762 on December 22, 2017, 01:09:15 PM
   Your young and cute so go for it. Your only young once so they say. BTW I'm 83 and still look at the girls with that red mist in my eyes.

I've always told my wife that if I stop looking, it will either mean that I've found someone or I'm dead!

Dwayne ;) ::) :o
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pintosopher

Quote from: pintosopher on December 22, 2017, 10:53:06 AM
She'll be packin Latex, No worries Dick! ;D
Ten fingers worth is the context... No rain coats in the Drought laden southland ;D
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

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dick1172762

Quote from: cutelitlputtputt on December 21, 2017, 12:49:01 PM
Yes Dick, it's like dropping the soap ..... "Armando pick that up!!"  Hehehehe!
Ok, it looks like he works out at the gym or somewhere!!  He's young and cute.  It doesn't hurt to look Right!

Your young and cute so go for it. Your only young once so they say. BTW I'm 83 and still look at the girls with that red mist in my eyes.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

dick1172762

Just good clean stuff to wake some people up. It seams to be working as the number of post has increased quite a bit. Every one of our members has a different reason to be on our web site. All we need to do is find that reason and go from there.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Wittsend

It seems "cabin Fever" has set in and a few minds are being affected!