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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Original74- Dave William Herbeck, December 3, 1957 - April 2, 2016

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Pintaro

I haven't been on here in a while. But I to was sad to hear of Daves passing. We had many great conversations. My wife Roni and I spent time with him and CJ in 07 and 08 at the Tulsa shows. He was a great guy.

Scott Hamilton

The Pinto Carl Club of America is please to make a donation of $500 to The First United Methodist Church of Sapulpa for the Cross and Flame Roadshow to honor Dave Herbeck's life. We celebrate him and the memories we all carry with us. CJ and his family will always be a part of our family.

Scott Hamilton
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DreamBean

The first time I met Dave was also at the 2nd FPCC meet in Carlisle PA. Sadly, The last time I talked to Dave was in Detroit with the Pinto Stampede. He shared his knowledge with me of his Diesel Pinto build as I shared interest in building one. Dave was a awesome guy and I feel honored to have met him.
Go Ford, Go Fast Or Go Home!

phils toys

The first time my family met Dave was at Carlisle for the 2nd pinto meet. It was a pleasure to meet him and his family. I remember his wife and children went to Hershey park while he stayed at the show. On Sunday morning he was the first to tell us we had won an award.
Dave and Geraldine at the show
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Cookieboystoys

sad to see the news of Dave's passing. I met him on the forums back when I was just getting my start in the online community and started my crazy pinto obsession. I was there for that 1st Central Pinto meet back on 2007, got to see the 500 mile original pinto for the 1st time. What a treat. It's people like Dave that have helped make the "Pinto thing" enjoyable for me. I was glad to see him again in 2014 for the Stampede in Dearborn. Think I even joked with him a bit about it was all his fault getting me started on the road trips to various Pinto gatherings with that 1st invite in 2007. I still treasure and recall how much fun that 1st Pinto road trip was.... thanks for the memories Dave.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

dga57

Quote from: turbopinto72 on April 05, 2016, 10:14:02 AM
Dave was a great guy. He called me when he was first diagnosed and we talked for a long time. He wanted to let me know that even though he was very upset at the news he wanted to make every day count. He really loved the Pinto Group and his cars and was really a great guy.  I am convinced that Dave is  now enjoying Heaven with his Heavenly Father. We will all miss you Dave. Until we meet again......... .....

I had a similar communication with Dave soon after his diagnosis and, like you, I am convinced he is in Heaven.  He was a man of great faith.  I only had the opportunity to meet him in person once (Tulsa, OK in 2008) but after spending five minutes with him, he felt like an old friend.  The world will be a little sadder place without him in it.  My sincerest condolences to his entire family.  Rest in peace, Dave.

Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pintosopher

Never met Dave, but was impressed with his commitment to the marque and his decorum while helping build this site. We should all be so fortunate to have the respect and legacy that he left us with.

My Sincerest condolences to your family.... Rest In Peace.. We won't forget..

Pintosopher  :(
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

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turbopinto72

Dave was a great guy. He called me when he was first diagnosed and we talked for a long time. He wanted to let me know that even though he was very upset at the news he wanted to make every day count. He really loved the Pinto Group and his cars and was really a great guy.  I am convinced that Dave is  now enjoying Heaven with his Heavenly Father. We will all miss you Dave. Until we meet again..............
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Scott Hamilton

Dave, Tommy, Sherry and I grab a bite to eat with the gang on the Pinto Stampede... Bottom, Dave parking my green pinto after driving a long stint with the other Pintos on the Stampede.
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Scott Hamilton

Here is one from the Stampede to Ford- Dave had just pulled 'Jade' from the trailer and was staging the stuffed pony for all of us- Several of the guys had heard stories and seen pictures about the most famous Pinto Dave owned but had never see it... revealing it and everyone went hooo and ahhh... this car is still known as the most original Pinto that the club knows to exist- less than 600 actual miles on her...
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Scott Hamilton

Here is a fun one. Dave and CJ hosted another Pinto Meet but this one was on their property they were going to build on. He had a tent setup, we made homemade ice cream, awards, he setup pictures taking with a model and our cars... He grilled burger for us! what a great time!
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Scott Hamilton

Stopped by Dave's house while on a family vacation on our way to Yellowstone. I altered our trip just so we could swing by and see Dave...
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Scott Hamilton

Dave and CJ- enjoying a car show they hosted in Tulsa.. I was not able to attend this one but from the posts afterward, everyone had a great time!! I guess CJ won the award!! - Way to go Dave!
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Scott Hamilton

Dave with Brad winning an award for 'Geraldine' at Knott's Berry Farm show in California- One of the first car shows we attended together. I got to meet the lady who sold the car to Dave- he invited her out to show how he was keeping her car in pristine condition. She was so happy to see Dave and her old car, he really made her feel important introducing her to everyone... You can see the hats and t-shirts (Thanks Frank) we just had minted right before the car show...
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Scott Hamilton

This is Dave at his best!!! It's a 6min clip from a full show with Dave's parts... CLASSIC!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRJ1DDLO0uk
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Scott Hamilton

Guys and Gals...

Received a call from Heather (Dave's daughter) tonight letting me know that Dave had passed away this last Saturday Morning after a long battle with cancer. I am saddened to the core, Dave Herbeck was very dear to me as he is to many of us... This is a loss for his family, his friends and the PCCA...

Most of you may not know that I went and visited Dave last year after his first surgery and spent some time with him and CJ. I spent time admiring his wonderful garage, Pintos, meeting his Church family, enjoying seeing him play drums during morning worship and spending some quality time together working on his cars and having a beer together. Over the 12 years I have known Dave, all the car shows we attended together, just dropping by his house when I was traveling thought his area with the family, emails and phone calls- I can honestly say he is one of the best men I have ever had the pleasure to know.

God bless you CJ, He loved you very much and spoke of you and his kids at length. We morn with you- standing beside you with all of the great friends Dave easily gathered during his time with us. He is our heritage, our founder, and our friend. You and your family will always be a part of what Dave has created here. We thank you immensely for sharing him with us and entertaining his hobby so we could enjoy and know him. You were there at the many car shows and meets, hosting events in your home, on your property, or traveling with him across this great country. He was so blessed to have you by his side... We celebrate his life with you.

PCCA Gang- I'm going to share moments with additional posts in this thread to celebrate his life. I encourage everyone to do the same as you can. I know this will help me personally to try and express what I can't yet grasp at this moment but I'm sure will become more clear as we all go down this road together.

Dave, you are my friend- always...

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Pintopower

Dave was a great guy and I am heart broken to hear this. When I visited him in 2007 for the Midwest Pinto meet, he opened his home to us and let me drive his beloved 79 Pinto sedan. For those that do not know, this is a NEW car. 301 miles when I saw it. As I was born in 1980, I had never had the chance to smell what a new Pinto smelled like (pretty cheap really, no surprise there). More importantly, I had never driven one. He handed me the keys and we took it for a one mile loop. I will never forget that drive. I tell people about it all the time, that I got to drive a new Pinto. I wish I could repay the kindness.


Us backing out of the garage:



More pix from that trip and Daves Cars:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/26161002@N03/albums/72157607387838081
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.