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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Buying a Pinto

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tjm73

So I've been looking for that taillight support panel everywhere I can think of and still nothing.

If anyone has one, or a line on where one might be or might be found, please let me know.

Hoping to begin some work this spring. For now my broken pony resides in my cold barn waiting to find out if she will become the "Six Million Dollar Pinto" (I can rebuild her. I have the technology) or if she will be put out to pasture and live on as a donor car.

tjm73

Thanks for the heads up, but a fellow member hooked me up with a nice rear 1/4 just last Friday. As in entire rear corner of a car, wheel housing and all. In real nice shape too. Big thanks to Pinto5.0 for that.

Now I'm hunting for an inner taillight panel support, a plain rear bumper (no rub strip) and a rear bumper bracket for the driver side. I think I'll have all the needed sheet metal once I find these items.


Pinto5.0

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on September 23, 2014, 04:02:38 PM
If you want to send an e-mail just click on the envelope, PM on the right icon.

Missed that

'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

If you want to send an e-mail just click on the envelope, PM on the right icon.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: tjm73 on September 23, 2014, 09:28:09 AM
Weird. When I click on my user name I see it right under my name. It's neither here nor there because I got your PM and replied.


I clicked mine & mine was there so I'm guessing we can only see our own
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

tjm73

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on September 23, 2014, 07:39:43 AM
I couldn't find your email so I sent you a PM with pics

Weird. When I click on my user name I see it right under my name. It's neither here nor there because I got your PM and replied.

Pinto5.0

I couldn't find your email so I sent you a PM with pics
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

tjm73

Quote from: sedandelivery on September 17, 2014, 07:04:47 AM
My hatchback door would fit, good shape red too and I live in NE Pa.

My car came with a nice hatch, but thanks for the offer.

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on September 17, 2014, 01:53:05 AM
I've got a mint drivers side quarter that I bought the whole car to get & an NOS rear bumper with the holes for the rubber strips. Depending on where you are I can bring them to you. I deliver to Eastern Hills mall in Buffalo & Greece & Marketplace malls in Rochester.

My car is a '73 so it only has the horizontal bumperettes. Was there another bumper style? Let's talk about the quarter & bumper. Please email me so we can talk privately. My email is in my profile page.

sedandelivery

My hatchback door would fit, good shape red too and I live in NE Pa.

Pinto5.0

I've got a mint drivers side quarter that I bought the whole car to get & an NOS rear bumper with the holes for the rubber strips. Depending on where you are I can bring them to you. I deliver to Eastern Hills mall in Buffalo & Greece & Marketplace malls in Rochester.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

tjm73

Quote from: russosborne on September 11, 2014, 02:22:57 AM
Where all are you looking for parts?
Come out here (Phoenix AZ area).  ;D
While here you could also pick this up really cheap and solve your chassis problem.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/4624319115.html
Russ

The West and Southwest..... if only it was closer to me. I live in Western NY near Rochester (about an hour East of Buffalo). On average we get around 100" of snow every year and we have lots of salt. So they spread that stuff like mad. As you can imagine, not much lasts for much more than 8-10 winters without serious attempts to protect it. Pinto's did not fair well in the Northeast. I expect to have stuff shipped a long ways to get it.

Quote from: TIGGER on September 11, 2014, 07:04:44 PM
I have a used drivers quarter that I cut off a low mileage 72 sedan I had a couple years back.  I believe it is 100% rust free.  I am not sure where you are located at but I am in Oregon.  PM me if interested.

It'd be cost prohibitive I'm sure, but thanks for the offer.

TIGGER

Quote from: tjm73 on September 10, 2014, 09:44:43 PM
Finding parts for this car is proving a challenge. But I recently secured a NOS lower rear valence pan and have a line on a NOS taillight panel. That leaves the sheet metal search at finding a drivers quarter panel and odd small bits I am not yet aware of. I continue to hunt for a rear bumper. I don;'t even need a nice one, just one nice enough to have re-chromed.

I'm finding the lack of parts availability to be a real morale buster. A part of me says part it out and buy something that's easier to get parts for. I am of the Fox Mustang generation, so I have a big soft spot for all cars Fox based. Capri's, Mustang's, Fairmont's, Thunderbird's, Cougar's, LTD's, Mark VII's, et al...

I have a used drivers quarter that I cut off a low mileage 72 sedan I had a couple years back.  I believe it is 100% rust free.  I am not sure where you are located at but I am in Oregon.  PM me if interested.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

russosborne

Where all are you looking for parts?
Come out here (Phoenix AZ area).  ;D
While here you could also pick this up really cheap and solve your chassis problem.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/4624319115.html
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

tjm73

Finding parts for this car is proving a challenge. But I recently secured a NOS lower rear valence pan and have a line on a NOS taillight panel. That leaves the sheet metal search at finding a drivers quarter panel and odd small bits I am not yet aware of. I continue to hunt for a rear bumper. I don;'t even need a nice one, just one nice enough to have re-chromed.

I'm finding the lack of parts availability to be a real morale buster. A part of me says part it out and buy something that's easier to get parts for. I am of the Fox Mustang generation, so I have a big soft spot for all cars Fox based. Capri's, Mustang's, Fairmont's, Thunderbird's, Cougar's, LTD's, Mark VII's, et al...

tjm73


Wittsend

 Gene Snow (not Jean). But yes, you are correct, Funny cars predate the Pinto by a fair number of years. Mickey Thompson -  and also the Lee Eliminator were some of the first Pinto Funny Cars I recall.

dick1172762

Quote from: jeremysdad on July 22, 2014, 04:07:02 AM
I agree. Full tube chassis. That's how the Pinto started the 'Funny car' revolution back in the 70's. ;) lol
That not the way it was by a long shot. First funny cars were 64 and 65 Mopars, when they moved all 4 wheels forward and installed a straight axel under the front. This was done in the mid 60's and they ran in the FX class till AHRA started the funny car class. AHRA started the funny car, and pro stock class plus ran fuel dragsters while NHRA had their head under a rock somewhere. I was there and ran pro stock with AHRA in the late 60's. Jean Snow was running a funny car at the time all over the country. Been there/done that.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

jeremysdad

I agree. Full tube chassis. That's how the Pinto started the 'Funny car' revolution back in the 70's. ;) lol

tjm73

I don't take making structural modifications lightly. Simply moving the wheels forward truly isn't simple. It changes how the forces act on the uni-body and demands consideration for a lot of seen and unseen factors. Do it wrong and you ruin the car. I'm coming to realize my idea basically amounts to building a full tube chassis race car that is intended to be driven on the street 80-90% of the time.

Thanks for those links too.

oldkayaker

Below are links to a couple builds that include extending the wheel base while not using longer fenders (relocated wheel opening forward).  May give you some ideas, have fun with the project.

http://www.fordpinto.com/your-project/prostreet49335-more-pics/msg25900/#msg25900

http://www.fordpinto.com/your-pintos/turbo-pinto-drag-car-(video-of-082308-5-93-run)/msg36103/#msg36103
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

Reeves1

Thank you for the reply.

Sounds like you are really head scratching this out well.

tjm73

First, I appreciate the thoughts. Constructive criticism is always welcome.

My desire to move the cross member forward serves three purposes for me.

First, it corrects an aesthetic issue that has always bugged me for Pintos and Mustang II's. The front axle center line is simply too far back. It needs to more forward 4"-6" in order to look right.

Second, moving the center line forward adds wheelbase to the car. This improves ride quality and adds straight line stability. I will admit that this benefit is likely small.

Third, moving the center line forward effectively places more of the V8 I will be installing behind the center line which improves static weight distribution. This will improve ride quality, handling and breaking.

As to your observations about frame rail width and extending the fender and hood. I was actually in my barn the other night sitting on my lawn mower with the iPod playing some music looking at the Pinto thinking about how to tie the front suspension into the existing uni-body and back to the intended back half sub-frame.

I got down off the mower, grabbed my tape measure and popped the hood. I was studying the frame rails and inner fenders. Thinking about the V8 I plan to install, how the exhaust system woudl run, the relocation of the axle center line, the impact on wheel movement in the up and down action of riding over bumps and the left/right action of executing turns. It occurred to me that the front frame rails may need to be modified or removed & replaced. This means inner fender modifications. Nothing that is impossible to do, but something I want to give prolonged thought to doing before I do it.

The changed axle center line would be contained entirely within the existing fender real estate. I will not make the fenders/hood longer. I would cut the wheel arches out and move them forward, then add appropriate material to fill the gap.  It would continue to use a stock hood.

While I was studying the frame rails and such, I looked at the firewall. I am certain that it would be worthwhile the apply the old hot rod trick of recessing some of the firewall. Probably no more than 2-3 inches deep and about 24" wide. Moving the axle CL forward and being able to get the engine back a couple inches will provide much needed engine bay length in the early chassis.

Lastly, I don't see it adding any significant weight. I am actually reducing the weight forward of the axle CL which transfers some weight rearward which splits that weight to be carried by both axles.

Upon contemplating all this, I began to question if I want to move forward with this project. I need to speak with my brother and get his thoughts on this. He has more fabricating experience than I do. I'm starting to wonder if I should put my efforts, time and money into an entirely different chassis. Have not decided yet.

Reeves1

Quote from: tjm73 on June 22, 2014, 10:11:28 AM
I plan to cut the entire front suspension out, move the axle center line forward about 4-6" and replace it with '74-80 parts so I can buy narrow control arms and drop spindles. The later front end parts are just much better supported in the aftermarket.

Front fenders etc are all off my car.
I have a chair & bucket table beside it for bottled water (  ;D ) or...
So , sitting & looking at my car.........

Take this as just my thoughts & mean no disrespect....

Looking at my 72 front end I'm finding it hard to see any benefit of moving the cross member forward & with a newer one to boot.
This adds more weight to the front end. Lots more.
Plus it moves it to a weaker point on the frame rails, which are a different shape & width.
Speaking of width, isn't the 74 ^ wider ?
This would mean narrowing the "new" cross member.
Also means mods to the steering.

Then, due to the cross member being moved forward, the wheel wells will have to change.....extending the fenders.
Same for the hood.

Seems to me you would be pushing a bunch of weight forward, plus adding a bunch more weight to the front end by having to extend fenders hood etc.

Somehow I'm not seeing any net gain , but a loss.

You would (maybe ?) gain by being able to use a rear sump pan ?
If just that & being able to use newer parts, I see a huge cost with a net loss.
Like I said, not seeing any net gain.

Would like to read your thoughts on any gains , that I'm not able to see ?

r4pinto

Quote from: tjm73 on June 20, 2014, 11:23:40 AM
I never said it was low mileage. Just that it had only 56K-ish....

Well if you wanna get technical 56k-ish miles is low mileage for a 1973 car.  That equals to an estimate of 1366 a year. Now, I dunno about you but I consider that low miles. Especially with the national average being anywhere between approximiately 12k-15k per year.  Now, back to the subject at hand.  Would I want to take on fixing that car? No, not at all but I also don't have the skill, money, time, or patience for a project like that. BUT.... it is not my car, it is your car & nobody can tell you whether you should or should not fix it. Gotta do what you feel is right. Nothing more, nothing less. If I had the ability, time, money, & patience I would be fixing my crusty, rusty 77 Pinto instead of parting it out.

Either way, looking forward to seeing the progress of the work on the car. Good luck!  ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

bbobcat75

When I mention the term "trud" I was not calling your car or a pinto a turd! I own 5  3 bobcats and 2 pintos! I love these cars! I simply was saying that it looks like a large project and to build stock would be tough with out nos or super nice parts! Meaning at to find ok parts and do a hobby level repair! Have had friends in the past try to rebuild cars - most rusted out - they hang new quarters and fenders and its a parade car! Waves as it goes by and looks great at 30 ft! They started with crap and after all that time and money ended with the same!     Good luck and hope your project goes well! As I stated earlier I would personally start with a better shell- but I'm not a full on body guy I can paint and sand! Not a metal finisher!
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

tjm73

I plan to cut the entire front suspension out, move the axle center line forward about 4-6" and replace it with '74-80 parts so I can buy narrow control arms and drop spindles. The later front end parts are just much better supported in the aftermarket.

Reeves1

Quoteall the front suspension parts.

?

Only part I can think of that is changed for V8s would be the springs.
Plus rotor, calipers & hubs if using the Wilwood kit.
What plans have you ?

tjm73

Lots of people would argue that all Pintos are turds. I guess I like cars that are turds then.

I like the shape of the Pinto, the simplicity, the fact they are rear wheel drive, and that they are lightweight.

On another note...... I measured my engine compartment last night out of curiosity.

Top of Engine Compartment = ~38.5" Max Width
Frame Rail (in to in) = ~25" at widest, ~24" at narrowest
Bottom of Oil Pan to Top of Air Cleaner = ~24"
Firewall to Radiator Support = ~29"

I will have a few parts that eventually will end up for sale. Like, for example, a 52K mile 2.0L with 4 speed and all the front suspension parts.

blupinto

I'm with you, tjm! I'd rather see it saved than stripped. I also have to agree with Dwayne... I like stock better. All you can do is follow your heart. It's so refreshing to see somebody believe in a car enough to bring her back to life. I wish you the very best of luck! And no, your car is NOT a turd.

One can never have too many Pintos!