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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Buying a Pinto

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Reeves1

Ugly Yellow is in much worse shape & I'm "fixing" it.

Go for it !

dga57

Well, for whatever it's worth, I totally believe in this project.  Personally, I would rather see it restored to stock, but it's your car and your decision... I'm just happy that it is being saved.  Much, much, much too nice a car to be parted out.  I wish you the best of luck in this endeavor and am looking forward to seeing your progress!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

tjm73

I'm in New York. An hour or so East of the Buffalo end near Rochester.

Yes, if I didn't have the knowledge and experience of my brother (over 20 years in auto body) and his willingness to help me, this would be out of my reach as it sits.

While I don't have access to a body shop per say, I can turn part of my pole barn into a makeshift body shop when the time comes.

chrisf1219

hello tjm73 while some of us look at that as too much work( myself included) and using it as a parts car you see it as a good start. for most us us the cost of a body shop fix would be too costly.since you wish to tub it cutting up the back end might not be hard for you cause you have use of a body shop. good luck on your car. chris ps what state are you in?
77 wagon auto 2.3  wagons are the best and who knew I like flames on a pinto!!!!

tjm73

I never said it was low mileage. Just that it had only 56K-ish. I also never said I was going to restore it to stock. I am going to pull out the damage and tub it. So an otherwise solid but crunched slightly car is perfect to start with.

Let's shine a light on a couple things. The car rolls like it's a year old. Brakes are not seized to the drums/discs. after sitting in a barn since '79. Hard to believe. When we went to roll it off the trailer into my pole barn I said to my brother how are we gonna stop this thing before it hits Dad's trailer? And he said push the brake pedal and see if we have brakes. It still had brakes. Bottoms of the doors are rust free. Engine compartment is rust free. Interior is 95% perfect. All the glass is perfect.

The bottom of this car is so clean that the factory gas tank (at least I believe it to be the OE) is still in it and still has the US Steel markings on it. The inner rear wheel well housing is virtually undamaged despite the mashed appearance of the outer quarter. A come along and a couple chains will straighten it out and a new quarter will make it all better.

A few guys have passed judgment on the car with nothing but a couple quick shots I've thrown up. If you don't like it or think it's worth doing anything with.... please move along and enjoy another thread.

I am hoping to wash it this weekend and get it up on a set of jack stands I have to take more/better pics of it.

bbobcat75

the only thing I don't understand is that its a quote low mileage car - and want to keep as - but yet going to mini tub the car?! to go thru all that work I would find a way!!!!! better shell and start off with good! strong steel!!   but good luck!!    my dad always told me your can polish a turd!! but it will always still be a turd!!! 
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: dga57 on June 20, 2014, 12:53:43 AM
True... but don't forget, he has body shop connections! 

Dwayne :)
Yeah, and that makes things even easier..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dga57

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on June 19, 2014, 09:31:50 PM
I wouldn't doubt it, it is a learning curve though..

True... but don't forget, he has body shop connections! 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

74 PintoWagon

I wouldn't doubt it, it is a learning curve though..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dga57

I'm not a professional, but I HAVE done some bodywork in my day and the car really isn't that bad.  There are going to be a few parts that need to be rounded up, but it's not really a big job.  I think he's going to end up with a very nice little car!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

74 PintoWagon

Guy I used to work with did body work on the side and he was an artist, he'd look at that and say "ah, piece a cake".. LOL..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

bbobcat75

more damage then I would be willing to work with but time and money are my issues!! at the end its Your Decision!!    I for one would find another clean shell and do a complete swap!! and sell that shell to another for a demo or race car!  just my 2 cents!!
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: dianne on June 19, 2014, 08:12:23 AM
Yeah, I want to see pictures of the car as it undergoes restoration!
Ditto that..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dianne

Quote from: dga57 on June 18, 2014, 11:54:15 PM
Be sure to keep us updated on your progress!

Dwayne :)

Yeah, I want to see pictures of the car as it undergoes restoration!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

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dga57

Be sure to keep us updated on your progress!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

tjm73


Pinto5.0

Tubbing it solves 95% of potential issues if there is damage out back. At that point you just need to hand a quarter & tail panel & make it one color.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

tjm73

Quote from: dick1172762 on May 22, 2014, 04:18:53 PM
      I agree 100%.  (FIRST)Because the early (71/73) Pintos do not have a rear sub frame, when hit as hard as this one has been hit, the car will be warped and fixing it will be a chore.

Quote from: tjm73 on May 22, 2014, 09:31:01 AM
First, you haven't seen the damage first hand as I have. It's actually not as bad as it looks.

Fourth, seeing as the car is essentially going to be back-halved this damage is rather inconsequential.

Initial inspection is the car is otherwise strait. We'll see once home. Perhaps next weekend. Back-halved means who cars about no rear sub-frame rails. The back-halving will add them.

cannonball

Quote from: dick1172762 on May 22, 2014, 04:18:53 PM
      I agree 100%.  (FIRST)Because the early (71/73) Pintos do not have a rear sub frame, when hit as hard as this one has been hit, the car will be warped and fixing it will be a chore.  (SECOND)Parts are very hard to find for an early Pinto like the rear bumper and valance panel.  (THIRD)Engine parts are even harder to find for a 2.0L engine.  Get your self a 74/80 Pinto and put all the good interior parts in it.  I've done what your trying to do, and by the time its fixed, you'll hate the sight of it.

so do later pinto,s have rear chassis legs i was very surprised when i looked under my 71 and its just a floor pan back from the front rails no wonder they folded on impact,
also there is the most massive amount of parts available to super tune the 2,.0 ohc mtr over here in england its an engine that has been used in all sorts of race situations over here you can get aolmost 22hp from it a great torquay rev happy engine simple buy from us like we buy v8 stuff from you boys

dick1172762

Quote from: jeremysdad on May 21, 2014, 10:51:54 PM
No. Find another one, if you want one. That's a 'parts car' to us.
I agree 100%.  (FIRST)Because the early (71/73) Pintos do not have a rear sub frame, when hit as hard as this one has been hit, the car will be warped and fixing it will be a chore.  (SECOND)Parts are very hard to find for an early Pinto like the rear bumper and valance panel.  (THIRD)Engine parts are even harder to find for a 2.0L engine.  Get your self a 74/80 Pinto and put all the good interior parts in it.  I've done what your trying to do, and by the time its fixed, you'll hate the sight of it.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pintosopher

Although we can agree it's (Just) a Pinto, keep in mind some basic history. Back in the late 50's and early 60's a rusty Porsche Speedster or Cabriolet would not be worth a full collision repair and repaint. Now with classic values approaching $600K for the rare versions when completed, and even more for the Carrera Furhmann 4 cam versions , It's not too much to understand that there are now metal fab shops building all unibody pieces for these cars. Once the market develops, Historical cars are worth the cost to restore and Rebuild.  Even BMW has almost 90 % of the parts in the Plant in Germany to complete a 1972 2002 tii sedan.  Labor of love aside, Play the long game. Most who do will win out! ;D

Pintosopher,
  Wishing I had bought the C&D Imsa Pinto racer ,even when it was listed at 30K  :o
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

dga57

Quote from: tjm73 on May 22, 2014, 09:31:01 AM
I see you are a founding member. No offense, but I find it hard to believe you speak for everyone. You might consider it a parts car. I don't. Here's why.

First, you haven't seen the damage first hand as I have. It's actually not as bad as it looks.

Second, my brother, who ran my father's body shop for 20+ years and is a crash estimator by trade, estimates about a month of weekends to repair and get it to the point it's ready to be painted. I trust his opinion on the car.

Third, the guy I am buying it from is a body shop manager (actually my brother's boss) for a major dealer in my area. He knows it's repairable without much fuss. That's why he stashed it away for over 30 years as a future project.

Fourth, seeing as the car is essentially going to be back-halved this damage is rather inconsequentia l.

Fifth, you don't know what I'm paying for the car. It's cheap enough to seriously consider fixing.

So rather than condemn the car from Tennessee, sit back and wait to see what I actually do with it. I may well decide to part it out. That decision is not yet made. I still need to bring it home, put it in my barn to get it up on jack stands and inspect it in greater detail.


I agree wholeheartedly!  The damage isn't all that bad, really... especially since you have connections in the collision repair business!  To have a clean, rust-free, 56K mile '73 Pinto, I'd say the repair work is well worth the investment!  Have fun with your project!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pinto5.0

Having access to cheap, quality body repair puts you in a position 99% of us will never know. If you can save it by all means do so. I hate to see them parted out when they are clean.

Just understand that to the average Pinto guy like me there are $500-1000 in parts needed & $2500-5000 in bodyshop expenses to put that car back on the road. A clean, low mileage Pinto that needs nothing can be had for what I'd spend paying a shop to do the repair & paint on that car.

It's unfortunate but my reality & many others on here I'm sure is that finding a clean shell for under $1000, painting it ourselves for a few hundred bucks or Maaco if there's a sale & stripping that car for parts to assemble it would be our only viable option.

I'm trying to find a shop to hang an NOS quarter on my 71 & so far I've been either ignored or quoted prices that are double the $600 purchase price of the car. All I want is the quarter hung & roughed in. I can finish it & paint it myself. Even at that I'll spend $2500 by the time it's painted which is enough to buy a pretty nice running, driving Pinto.

I envy your access to cheap body/paint work. If I was in your shoes I wouldn't have 4 cars at my house needing painted. 
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

tjm73

I see you are a founding member. No offense, but I find it hard to believe you speak for everyone. You might consider it a parts car. I don't. Here's why.

First, you haven't seen the damage first hand as I have. It's actually not as bad as it looks.

Second, my brother, who ran my father's body shop for 20+ years and is a crash estimator by trade, estimates about a month of weekends to repair and get it to the point it's ready to be painted. I trust his opinion on the car.

Third, the guy I am buying it from is a body shop manager (actually my brother's boss) for a major dealer in my area. He knows it's repairable without much fuss. That's why he stashed it away for over 30 years as a future project.

Fourth, seeing as the car is essentially going to be back-halved this damage is rather inconsequential.

Fifth, you don't know what I'm paying for the car. It's cheap enough to seriously consider fixing.

So rather than condemn the car from Tennessee, sit back and wait to see what I actually do with it. I may well decide to part it out. That decision is not yet made. I still need to bring it home, put it in my barn to get it up on jack stands and inspect it in greater detail.

jeremysdad

No. Find another one, if you want one. That's a 'parts car' to us.

tjm73

So I recently went and took a look at this little gem. It's a 1973 Runabout hatchback. It's a recent barn escapee that hadn't seen the sun in over 30 years until just a couple days ago. She's wounded, but the rest of it is so clean and rust free it's worth repairing. Needs a quarter, a taillight panel, a new hatch, a rear bumper, and a rear valence. It's only got 56,247 miles. It's red and has a black interior that is in pretty nice condition except for the head liner has a couple small holes in it and the plastic around the rear wheel well and hatch area is broken from the accident. The current owner has a hatch and a couple little things for it.

The story goes it was hit back in the mid/late 70's and the owner didn't want to fix it. So the guy I'm buying it from bought it with the intention of fixing it and putting a V8 in it. He put it in his horse barn and never got around to it. He ended up getting into Harley's (he has 5, couple real nice ones too) and doesn't have the time or interest to do the Pinto now. I have the interest, the time and the space in my pole barn to do it. So I agreed to buy it.

The plan for the car is several fold. First, I have to repair the damage to the rear drivers side quarter. So the search for the needed parts begins with that. Second, That repair will entail mini-tubbing the car for larger wheels & tires. Third, I want to address the design flaw I feel all Pintos and Mustang II's suffer from. The front axle center line is too far rearward. It needs to be moved forward about 4 inches. In doing this, I will update the front suspension to the '74-up Mustang II/Pinto suspension. It will allow the use of easily obtained suspension parts. Narrow control arms, coil over suspension, etc...  I will also add a roll bar. This will address the chassis. Once the chassis is complete, I will move on to the drive train.

The current plan is the car will get a low buck, low tech GT-40P iron headed 302 with a blow-through carb single turbo mounted on the passenger side to allow for a passanger side exhaust discharge. It simplifies plumbing (as opposed to two turbos) as well as eliminating exhaust, steering, and master cylinder space issues.

A nice bonus is it adds power to the engine. I am a believer in higher compression with low boost set ups. You can build a low compression engine and pump a lot of boost. But this is more of a race engine method since off idle and low rpm response isn't as importent at the track with transbrakes and such because off idle isn't really much of a concern. Besides it makes the engine a little doggy on the street. Upping the engine compression ratio increases throttle response and engine effieciency on and off boost. It makes it more resposive on the mean streets and you get more power from less boost.

Here's some pictures.

The good..




The bad...




Worst case scenario once I get it home is I can't find the parts to put it back together. In that case, I will likely part it out so she can live on as a donor. But hopefully I can put her back together.