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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

oil pressure and other fun stuff

Started by krazi, April 28, 2014, 09:53:48 PM

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krazi

idles around 1100. oil pressure is now around 10 psi hot. better than it was.
yeah, I'm Krazi!

amc49

It didn't...............probably pump bypass stuck open for a bit on a piece of trash. Or now stuck shut. True oil pressure issues do not fix themselves.

Pinto5.0

I'm trying to wrap my head around the loss of oil pressure due to a vacuum line switch.....
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74 PintoWagon

Quote from: jeremysdad on May 11, 2014, 03:11:40 PM
It's always awesome when it's something cheap and easy! :)
Ain't that the truth.. :D
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

jeremysdad

It's always awesome when it's something cheap and easy! :)

74 PintoWagon

Glad to hear it all came together..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

krazi

found out why it wouldn't run, I switched the vacuum lines for the egr and the distributor. it runs so much better now. and strangely, the oil pressure came back up. time to go racing!
yeah, I'm Krazi!

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on May 07, 2014, 10:59:27 AM

In my case it was the .657/334 solid roller & 660 pound Vasco Jet springs that I, for lack of sanity, ran on the street rather than 1/4 mile at a time.

Needed some pneumatic valve springs.  Then you could spin it as high as the fuse on the bottom would let it. ;)
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74 PintoWagon

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on May 07, 2014, 10:59:27 AM

In my case it was the .657/334 solid roller & 660 pound Vasco Jet springs that I, for lack of sanity, ran on the street rather than 1/4 mile at a time.
Yeah, that'll do it, LOL.. ;D
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on May 07, 2014, 10:43:02 AM
I went through that before, cam profiles has a lot to do with that.

In my case it was the .657/334 solid roller & 660 pound Vasco Jet springs that I, for lack of sanity, ran on the street rather than 1/4 mile at a time.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

I went through that before, cam profiles has a lot to do with that.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

What amazes me is that the Procharged Aluminator 5.0 going in my 07 Stang will push 750 RWHP compared to my 660 crank HP N/A 340  in my Duster. It will start & idle like stock, get 15 mpg, not overheat in traffic & not require me to carry a tool box with spare valve springs, lash caps, adjusters, rocker arms & pushrods to every cruise night & do it all while running 0w-20 oil.....
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on May 06, 2014, 11:12:24 PM
I could break down straight 40 Valvoline in 15 minutes in that engine.
Back in the day Valvoline was crap, I used to go through bearings like crazy with 50wt in my 427 until someone clued me in on that, put a drop of 50wt Valvoline next to a drop of 50wt Kendall on a piece of glass and tip it up and watch the Valvoline run like 10wt away from the Kendall, I switched to the Kendall Green and went a whole season and the bearings looked like they just came out of the box. BTW, the good Kendall Green is now Brad Penn..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

I used to run a mixture of 5 quarts Kendall 60 weight & 6 quarts 70 weight in my 13.5to1 340 in my Duster back in the day. I could break down straight 40 Valvoline in 15 minutes in that engine. That 65-ish weight was the only thing that kept my slightly detuned 9.90 index engine alive on the street in the mid 80's.

Trying to drive an all out race engine on the street back then was insane & expensive but all I wanted was to have the fastest car in the area so I worked 3 jobs to keep the engine running at all costs. Thinning out the oil burned a set of pushrods & lash adjusters my 1st night out with her. After that I learned that thicker oil kept it alive longer.
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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

65ShelbyClone

Valvoline may still offer a 60w racing oil. Haven't looked for it since '04, which the last time I had a loose 302 to deal with.  ;)
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Pinto5.0

If your issue is a loose engine & you live in a warm climate you can try straight 50 weight oil in it. I had a 302 with ridiculous mileage on it that had 3 pounds oil pressure hot idle on a good gauge on straight 50 weight. It was only used to haul my buggy in the summer so I ran straight STP in it as a last ditch solution to save me from swapping engines. It ran that way for 6 more years & 13,000 miles & ran until I scrapped it.  It had 12 psi hot at idle on straight STP. Just don't try to crank the engine below 40 degrees because it's gonna be tough on the starter.
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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

65ShelbyClone

Viscosity ratings are not exactly straight forward and often cause confusion.

A 10W-30 oil has a cold viscosity equivalent to a cold 10-weight reference oil.

When a 10W-30 oil is hot, it has the viscosity of a hot 30-weight reference oil.

Straight 50, 20w-50, and 0w-50 oils all have the same "hot" viscosity.

Multi-viscosity oils still get thinner as temperature increases; they just thin-out less than a single-viscosity oil. Viscosity index improvers (VIIs) are the compounds added to a base stock/straight-vis oil to give it that ability. VIIs are also generally the least durable part of the oil, so viscosity breakdown tends to happen faster with oils that have a wider gap between the cold and hot viscosity, especially where shearing is an issue like in motorcycle gearboxes. Not really something to worry about in general applications, but it does happen.

Whether the oil is synthetic or not has no bearing on the viscosity rating, but you're probably only going to find really broad spreads offered in synthetic like 0w-50.
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'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

amc49

To OP, synthetic oil does absolutely nothing for oil pressure. The additives in it soften old seals to let them leak.

The 15W-50 is only 15 weight oil, the additives bring the faked weight up to 50. If trying to bump up pressure add a single can of single viscosity or more if you need it. That can get you a bit further down the road but if parts are worn you're only delaying the inevitable. And if planning on rebuilding possibly scrapping your core.

It's summer, you got months before worrying about starting issues, I ran straight 40 in the summer and 30 in winter in Texas for many years in these and they ran fine.


Pinto5.0

Quote from: jeremysdad on May 04, 2014, 10:53:41 PM
I get 50 co;d idle, 17-20 hot idle and 60+ at 65, but have a 72 2.0 and Sunpro gauges. (Don't laugh. You've all been broke with a family to feed before.) :) lol

I hear you on being broke. I look for bargains on new gauges on ebay. I have 2 sets of Autometer & a set of Stewart Warner Maximums new in boxes that were $10-25 per gauge (oil press, water temp, volts & boost) & speedo's & tachs for $25-50 each.

It took me 2 years to dig all those up but I'm patient & plan way in advance. The trick is to catch the cheap "buy it now" bargains before the other guy does.
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'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

jeremysdad

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on May 04, 2014, 10:34:26 PM
I never checked my V6 pressure but my stock 76 2.3L with 64K miles puts out over 60 PSI cold & 45+ hot at idle. It usually runs 50+ PSI at 65 mph hot. That's using an Autometer Pro Lite gauge.

I get 50 co;d idle, 17-20 hot idle and 60+ at 65, but have a 72 2.0 and Sunpro gauges. (Don't laugh. You've all been broke with a family to feed before.) :) lol

jeremysdad

Quote from: krazi on May 04, 2014, 09:05:40 PM
would it help the oil pressure if I put in 15w-50 full synthetic?

NO SYNTHETIC OIL!!!

Never put synthetic base oil in an old motor. Seal leaks, mainly. Now, if it's a fresh rebuild, rock on. Otherwise, don't do it. It's worse for classics than ethanol.

Pinto5.0

I never checked my V6 pressure but my stock 76 2.3L with 64K miles puts out over 60 PSI cold & 45+ hot at idle. It usually runs 50+ PSI at 65 mph hot. That's using an Autometer Pro Lite gauge.
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'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

krazi

would it help the oil pressure if I put in 15w-50 full synthetic?
yeah, I'm Krazi!

krazi

ok. we might have the oil pressure problem sorted out. I'm using a equus 7200 series gauge, 270 degree sweep on the needle. now how do I sort out the running rough problem? idle mixture screws? distributor out of time? is the car depressed and needs therapy?
yeah, I'm Krazi!

amc49

I personally prefer more like 30 cruise on a four but other than that X2. 20+ works on a V-8 at say 2500 rpm. When I said 40 I meant stone cold engine. It would drop to say 20 hot. I look for like 50-60 stone cold. More if I've shimmed pump bypass which I often do.

65ShelbyClone

5-10psi at hot idle and 20+ at hot cruise is adequate for a lot of engines, even ones made two decades later. The less HP/L the engine makes, the less stressed the parts are the less critical oil pressure is. And lets face it; Pinto engines never made a lot of HP/L. ;)

Quote from: krazi on April 30, 2014, 03:56:46 PM
I took the bulb out of the warning light a long time ago. I have installed an after market pressure gauge. I use mobil 10w-40 conventional oil. oil pressure is around 40 on a cold start. after the engine warms up, pressure falls to near zero. I have removed the factory oil pressure sending unit and replaced it with mechanical tubing for the pressure gauge. hard, copper tubing.
should I be using a heavier oil? the engine has about 45000 miles on a rebuilt bottom end, and around 5000 on the top half. no bearing noise that I can hear. just the common valvetrain chatter.

What sort/brand of gauge is it? Do you know what bearing clearances were upon rebuild? What does the (hot) oil pressure do above idle?
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'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

74 PintoWagon

So, there's 45,000mi on it, what was the oil pressure when it was first rebuilt???..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

amc49

That oil is fine but only 40 psi at cold rev is a bit low. You could try swapping a couple quarts of straight 30 with no harm during the summer.

FYI, you will ALWAYS lose pressure as the oil warms up, what's your perceived low at hot idle?

On a stocker the old adage of 10 psi for every 1000 rpm is still good, I've driven V-8 that idled at only 7 psi (gauge+light, the light commonly flickered a bit at idle) but came up to 20 at anything over idle and 35 at cruise, engine lasted forever. How the engine is loaded has much to do with how long it lasts. No load at idle.

krazi

I took the bulb out of the warning light a long time ago. I have installed an after market pressure gauge. I use mobil 10w-40 conventional oil. oil pressure is around 40 on a cold start. after the engine warms up, pressure falls to near zero. I have removed the factory oil pressure sending unit and replaced it with mechanical tubing for the pressure gauge. hard, copper tubing.
should I be using a heavier oil? the engine has about 45000 miles on a rebuilt bottom end, and around 5000 on the top half. no bearing noise that I can hear. just the common valvetrain chatter.
yeah, I'm Krazi!

amc49

If doing something ridiculous like running lightweight oil like commonly used now that could be a problem. Like 5W-20, a worn engine won't like it. I don't run that stuff even in the engines now that call for it.