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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Fred Morgan

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Starsky and Hutch

I`ll always have him with me in my thoughts and in my heart Fred is the best
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popbumper

SO very saddened as I head for bed this early morning, as I just found out - I had written to him today about parts and got a response from his wife. I am so very sorry for Joy's loss and Fred will be missed. What a wonderful generous man, who helped me throughout my restoration, without him my car would not be as far along as it is today. God Bless their family.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Pintopowers

WOW... Speechless.....

I've been gone a long time after my computer crashed and i lost this link. Last time i was here me and Fred were talking about an engine and trans i was looking for awhile back. He was too far away for me to get it. (Him in AZ and me in CA)
I just found this site and remembered my account and was about to contact him about some shippable parts only to find this has happened..

Sad to find him gone, He was a real nice guy and im sorry i never got to meet him and do business with him.  My condolences to his family, He will be missed...

Thank you for your kind messages Fred.......... R.I.P

Steve

Pintosopher

As I sit here , trying to ignore the Monday B.S. , I remember how Fred would always send me a email with the usual images attached and some irreverent comment. Later , in the evening, he would post some silly comment about his Fav Show "2-1/2 Men"  and be laffin his Arse off! God Bless you Fred, those Iced Vodkanockers taste even better where you are today!

Still with me in Humor,
Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

chrisf1219

I was lucky to meet Fred one year at knotty and always liked taking to him even if we posted small jokes on the shout box.his help with parts and knowledge will be missed.r.I.p. Fred chris
77 wagon auto 2.3  wagons are the best and who knew I like flames on a pinto!!!!

Norman Bagi

God Bless you Joy and God Bless Fred. We will miss him, even those of us who never met him felt we knew him.  I understand some of the happiness he got from the community,  Meeting all these great people is an honor and quite a unique experience that I get to do every year with the Stampede. It draws you in and keeps you doing it, to see another Pinto join the group is something you cannot explain.  But for Fred it was more than that, he brought pinto's back to life and helped give strangers who later became friends their baby back, and that is immeasurable. The  Stampede owes Fred tremendously, many of our participants made it because of help from Fred. I am truly sorry for your loss.
Norman Bagi

PintoMan1

well put Kim, I couldn't have said it any better.  I second that!

glen
1973 pinto runabout

pintogirl

You are very welcome Joy and I'm sure Fred sees what we are all doing and is very happy. You also deserve a kudos too because you put up with his antics. Like street signs and all. LOL  You were a big part of Fred's life and you deserve to be acknowledge too. I know he probably wouldn't have done half as much if it wasn't for you, or, maybe I should say if it wasn't for you, he would have gotten into trouble more. LOL

Thanks for letting us all know you are out there and appreciate what we are all doing for you and Fred. :D


Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Fred Morgan

To All The Kind Members of PCCA

This is Joy Morgan

     Over the years Fred would often say what a great site this was.  That he had gone to other car club sites to check them out, see what they do.  He said that they were boring, that they rarely talked to each other & they didn't try to help each other very much.  He said this site was the best place.  You all kidded around with each other, tried your best to help each other & it was just a great friendly place.  I totally agree with him.  This is a great site because it is full of wonderful, caring people.  You should all be proud of the site you have all created along with your Fearless Leader Scott Hamilton.

     Thank you for all the wonderful years you shared with Fred.

                                                                        Joy
Fred Morgan- Missing from us...
January 20th 1951-January 6th 2014

Beloved PCCA Parts Supplier and Friend to many.
Post your well wishes,
http://www.fordpinto.com/in-memory-of-our-fallen-pinto-heros/fred-morgan-23434/

Fred Morgan

To All The Kind Members Of PCCA

This is Joy Morgan

     I want to thank you all for your kindness & generosity.  It is overwhelming for me.

     Fred enjoyed the many years he spent on PCCA.  Helping many of you obtain parts you needed or giving useful information & directions.  There was also a lot of fun going on.  Most days I could hear him laughing about something.  He also made some lasting friendships.  In 2009 when we took our trip around the U.S. he had so much fun dropping in unannounced, blowing the big truck horn at many of the PCCA's members house.  We got to meet in person a lot of nice people.  We got stopped twice in different states by the Highway Patrol.  Each time they wanted to know why there were car parts in the boat we were towing.  Each time he explained who he was, where he was from & that he was delivering these parts to PCCA members.  The officers would laugh like they didn't believe him so he said I'll show you.  He would get the computer, go on the website & show the officers the thread.  Then they laughed for real & let him go without a ticket.

     Fred chose to not mention his illness on the site.  During the month of December he was always going on the site just to see what was going on but he would be on as a guest so nobody could see him.  He stayed connected to you all to the end.

     I sure hope he can see how much he was appreciated & how well liked he was.

     Thank you all again for your kindness & letting me know what Fred meant to you.

                                                                                                Joy

Fred Morgan- Missing from us...
January 20th 1951-January 6th 2014

Beloved PCCA Parts Supplier and Friend to many.
Post your well wishes,
http://www.fordpinto.com/in-memory-of-our-fallen-pinto-heros/fred-morgan-23434/

phils toys

It was a pleasure to have met Fred a few years ago when he picked up parts for another member to save on shipping . We were going to met at a location but he surprised me by showing up at my house.  Sorry to hear of his passing.
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

Pintosopher

Quote from: Scott Hamilton on January 12, 2014, 11:24:24 AM
ALL,

This is in response to an email from Joy- the email was longer and more personal but I wanted to make sure everyone was in the loop on these points made about our community... I am honored with the response from everyone in this time of need for one of our family.

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Joy,

Good to hear from you, I hope you are doing better as each day unfolds.

Fred was a unique individual in the Pinto Community, if not the best person for what was needed. We have had several step up to the plate to try and be a parts vendors in the 12 Years the PCCA has been in existence. Fred was by far the best example the community could have asked for. He not only helped countless individuals with their projects or repairs, he actually cared. Everyone was always commenting about Fred's honesty, professionalism, turnaround time and his overall technical assistance. He was a pillar in our little community.

No one will be able to fill his shoes...

As you can see, the Pinto community needs to heal as well. The Memorial fund is not only to help you in this time of need but it serves a different purpose for everyone. It gives us an outlet to do something for you and Fred directly, from each individual. Although we know there is no way to fix this situation, the fund allows us to join together as a family and provide for you which in turn helps everyone to heal in their own way. Please accept the funds as an emotional outpouring of our need for healing and especially the need to contact you directly and let you know we care.

Joy- please consider the PCCA has an extension of your family, you most definitely are our family.

Scott Hamilton
webmaster@fordpinto.com
http://www.fordpinto.com
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Well Said Scott, You made a old Curmudgeon tear up :'(
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

pintogirl

Quote from: Scott Hamilton on January 12, 2014, 11:24:24 AM
ALL,

This is in response to an email from Joy- the email was longer and more personal but I wanted to make sure everyone was in the loop on these points made about our community... I am honored with the response from everyone in this time of need for one of our family.

*******************************************************************
Joy,

Good to hear from you, I hope you are doing better as each day unfolds.

Fred was a unique individual in the Pinto Community, if not the best person for what was needed. We have had several step up to the plate to try and be a parts vendors in the 12 Years the PCCA has been in existence. Fred was by far the best example the community could have asked for. He not only helped countless individuals with their projects or repairs, he actually cared. Everyone was always commenting about Fred's honesty, professionalism, turnaround time and his overall technical assistance. He was a pillar in our little community.

No one will be able to fill his shoes...

As you can see, the Pinto community needs to heal as well. The Memorial fund is not only to help you in this time of need but it serves a different purpose for everyone. It gives us an outlet to do something for you and Fred directly, from each individual. Although we know there is no way to fix this situation, the fund allows us to join together as a family and provide for you which in turn helps everyone to heal in their own way. Please accept the funds as an emotional outpouring of our need for healing and especially the need to contact you directly and let you know we care.

Joy- please consider the PCCA has an extension of your family, you most definitely are our family.

Scott Hamilton
webmaster@fordpinto.com
http://www.fordpinto.com
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Wow, made me cry! :D  Very nice and very true. Thanks Scott. I'm no good with words but you spoke for me too. That is exactly how I feel.

Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Scott Hamilton

ALL,

This is in response to an email from Joy- the email was longer and more personal but I wanted to make sure everyone was in the loop on these points made about our community... I am honored with the response from everyone in this time of need for one of our family.

*******************************************************************
Joy,

Good to hear from you, I hope you are doing better as each day unfolds.

Fred was a unique individual in the Pinto Community, if not the best person for what was needed. We have had several step up to the plate to try and be a parts vendors in the 12 Years the PCCA has been in existence. Fred was by far the best example the community could have asked for. He not only helped countless individuals with their projects or repairs, he actually cared. Everyone was always commenting about Fred's honesty, professionalism, turnaround time and his overall technical assistance. He was a pillar in our little community.

No one will be able to fill his shoes...

As you can see, the Pinto community needs to heal as well. The Memorial fund is not only to help you in this time of need but it serves a different purpose for everyone. It gives us an outlet to do something for you and Fred directly, from each individual. Although we know there is no way to fix this situation, the fund allows us to join together as a family and provide for you which in turn helps everyone to heal in their own way. Please accept the funds as an emotional outpouring of our need for healing and especially the need to contact you directly and let you know we care.

Joy- please consider the PCCA has an extension of your family, you most definitely are our family.

Scott Hamilton
webmaster@fordpinto.com
http://www.fordpinto.com
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Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

Scott Hamilton

Quote from: Scott Hamilton on January 10, 2014, 12:11:18 PM

Also, I have a thread open in the Admin boards to settle on a amount to Donate from the Club...

OK, the site will donate $200 to Joy for the Fred Morgan Memorial. $50 was already donated but an additional $150 is on it's way.

PCCA Management Board..  God Bless you Joy,
Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
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75bobcatv6

Thanks pintosopher.

I donated as well. its not much but its something.

Pintosopher

Quote from: 75bobcatv6 on January 11, 2014, 12:37:42 PM
I havent been on in a while, I check every so often. look at the site today and i see this. Fred was an absolutely Amazing man. Him and joy brought the 78 we bought down to us instead of going up there to get it. Very kind man. Fred will be missed by all here that have met or talked to him. Ill keep tabs to find out when his service is.

In a Email from his Wife Joy, I had asked about any final arrangements, Fred's wishes were for his body to go to cancer research. Joy had no plans for any services due to financial cost. She left the memorial up to us at the Web site.  Unless there is a change of circumstance, this is where it stands.
In her last Email , she stated she was so overwhelmed and glad Fred, had so many people that cared so deeply.

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

old 1973

 I have bought many parts from Fred over the years,and shared in many conversations about how to go about modifying other parts to work... Fred and I also talked quite a bit about Wyatt Earp since the old homestead was accessible by a sand rail ride!    Fred my friend  you will surely be missed ! Thanks for all you have done and helped me with over the years to keep my ride on the road ! God bless you ! And to you Joy my deepest condolences ..
                   Sincerely,
                   Don Galloway
                   
My rides: 1972 Squire wagon (Kermit)#121
               1973 Squire wagon (Penny) #120
                1975 Mpg sedan (Pumpkin) # 122
                 1978 cruiser wagon (casper)

75bobcatv6

I havent been on in a while, I check every so often. look at the site today and i see this. Fred was an absolutely Amazing man. Him and joy brought the 78 we bought down to us instead of going up there to get it. Very kind man. Fred will be missed by all here that have met or talked to him. Ill keep tabs to find out when his service is.

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: pintogirl on January 10, 2014, 10:46:32 AM
I don't know if you all noticed, I know some don't go to the home page all the time, but Scott put a donation button to help pay for the cost of Fred's memorial and other expenses.

I just donated $100.00. Who is going to match it?? :D

matched in memory of Fred Morgan, I only wish there was more I could do to help ~cookieboy
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

dga57

Quote from: Scott Hamilton on January 10, 2014, 12:11:18 PM
Kim, Right on!

I just matched it personally...

Who else?



Count me in for $100... just made the donation. 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

JoeBob

I bought parts from Fred just once. I am not sure he asked enough to cover shipping, let alone make a profit. I don't believe I have ever felt so much at a stranger's passing. Fred's name was mentioned here so often, that the only word printed here more often than the name Fred was, Pinto. I hope my donation can be used to carve a pinto on his headstone. God Bless you Fred.
Bill aka Joebob

77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9

Pinturbo75

sorry to hear this.... my condolences....
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

r4pinto

I am unable to until the 15th which is when I get paid. I won't be able to donate much but I know anything is appreciated to help with expenses. If anything is a worthy cause this sure is it.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Pintosopher

 Put $100 in last night as soon as the Link was up in evening.  I can do without Latte's for a month or more ..  This is important stuff , give whatever you can..

  :)
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Scott Hamilton

Kim, Right on!

I just matched it personally...

Also, I have a thread open in the Admin boards to settle on a amount to Donate from the Club...

Who else?

Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
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The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

pintogirl

I don't know if you all noticed, I know some don't go to the home page all the time, but Scott put a donation button to help pay for the cost of Fred's memorial and other expenses.

I just donated $100.00. Who is going to match it?? :D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: 71 Pinto on January 09, 2014, 11:49:48 PMI saw Fred days before his passing,
Should have stopped by, I'm right down the road from him.. :D
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

71 Pinto

I feel like I lost a good friend :-[ I met Fred back in August, my Grandparents live in the same town as Fred. I'm a Pinto lover and in the process of building one. Fred was extremely generous with his parts to me, we could sit and talk cars forever, we even talked about going water skiing this coming summer, he was stoked to know that my dad is a skier and was excited to see him ski and possibly ski himself. He was by far the nicest man I know. I saw Fred days before his passing, he very much impressed me when I showed up. As hard as it was for him to move and get around he came outside, shook my hand like a man and we stood outside talked for 40 minutes. It was sad to hear the sadness in his voice that he knew his days were numbed and that he was not ready to leave his family. Fred was a greatest, loving, caring, humble, down to earth give you the shirt off his back guy I know. I'm sure going to miss him.

Clydesdale80

The number of threads I have read on this site that concluded in Fred providing a needed part or bit of info to someone are countless.  Though I have never communicated with him myself, it is obvious that a very generous and helpful man has been lost.
Bought a 1978 hatchback to be my first car.