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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Another '74 Bites The Dust?

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r4pinto

I'm with  johnbigman2011. it sounds like more junk got sucked into the line. Out of curiosity have you changed the fuel filter?  Didn't know if you mentioned it or not.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

johnbigman2011

I'm leaning toward fuel issues Becky. Try the jug of gas again.
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1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

blupinto

lol well the coil  (the old one) had oil coming out of it. That HAD to be replaced.  ;)

I had taken the old line off the fuel pump and got a gallon of gas and she ran on that til she ran the can dry! I hooked the new line to the gas supply line and started her up. She started without a hitch and idled for several minutes. I'm having a vehicle crisis here as I have now 5 cars and none I can take to work tomorrow.  >:(   I rolled the blue Squire out of the driveway, put her in 1st gear and somehow let her stall. Now I can't start her again and even with starting fluid she won't start. I spent two days working on the ignition and now I'm very frustrated.  >:( >:( >:(
One can never have too many Pintos!

Pinto5.0

I covered fuel, spark & timing so I can't claim clairvoyance lol  ;)
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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

blupinto

Hmmmm....... well....

The new points didn't work, and I ended up reinstalling her old distributor innards to get spark. The new coil stays. Those of you all who said it was likely a fuel starvation issue were pretty right on the mark. Wait til you see what came out of the fuel line when I removed it from the fuel pump... (picture to come)  :o
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

This sounds oh, so similar to the issue I had in 2006 with my 77 Pinto. Turns out the carb was full of junk from the tank & needed cleaned out. That could possibly explain the starvation you seem to be experiencing
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

Yesterday was a banner day for me, mechanic-wise. With the help of a dear friend who's on this site I learned how to adjust points and look for spark. To normal gearheads this is child's play, but no one ever taught me how to do that. Reading a manual doesn't always work.  I am kind of proud of myself.

Ok enough about me. So far these are the things replaced since Moxie crapped out on me a couple weeks ago:

Spark plugs
Spark plug wires
Coil
Fuel Filter
Points
Condenser
Distributor cap
Rotor

With my friend's help via telephone, I learned how to hook up a remote starter button so I can check spark and see if rotor works as well as other stuff.  At one point I wasable to get Moxie started and running at idle for a few minutes. I played with the throttle linkage a couple times too. Only when I got in the car and pressed the accelerator did she falter and stall, reluctant to stat again. We got her running twice, but pressing the accelerator pedal killed her twice. Today, with Rich's help, I am going to try an idea of his... a gallon of fresh gas to the carburetor via the fuel pump.  I still have 3/4 of a tank of gas in  that car. Now I'm wondering if it's a throttle issue because she quit after I pressed the accelerator down a little (to the point of the engine slowly racing).  This is also basically what I did when she faltered and died.  Maybe fuel pump failure.  :-\
One can never have too many Pintos!

78txpony

It should have little deflection when  depressed with a light finger.  With some effort on that finger you might have about 1/4" movement.  You should try to see if the timing marks all line up.  But first, you should confirm IF you are getting a spark from the coil. 
Do not attempt to tighten that belt until you confirm if you can get a spark or not.  Otherwise you will be wasting time, as you will need to remove the belt enough to get it back into time. 

Quote from: blupinto on January 13, 2013, 08:23:10 PM
the belt on this car looks and feels fairly new. With my fingers I can pull on it and to me it feels a tad stretched. Here's the question: How do I determine the right tension or tightness on the belt? I know where the belt tensioner is, but what point can I tighten it and call it good? I don't know if it's a cheapy belt, but I wouldn't be too surprised if it was.
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
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1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

ToniJ1960

 this site shows a picture of a brake booster and its location. Its really close to the one in a pinto even the elbow piece the hose connects to it looks so close youll know it right away.

ToniJ1960

Quote from: blupinto on January 13, 2013, 09:37:08 PM
Thank you, Toni yes it's a points car. I will enlist my mechanic neighbor to help me on this. First I'll pull the distributor cap and see what I can see (if there's anything I can see). I can understand water getting to the carb from the gas tank- I think that's why she's surged in the past- more so when the gas tank is less than half- full.

I'm not sure what the brake booster hose looks like. :-[

If your car has power brakes that hose is easy to find look for the brake booster and youll see a good  sized hose plugged into it. You can get a fitting for a vacuum gauge thats cone  shaped ( I think my vacuum gauge came with a bunch of fittings and it was only $12)and plugs right into the hose once you pull it off the elbow that goes into the booster. Or else you can sometimes find a hose coming from the intake you can hijack to test the vacuum. Cranking vacuum will be a lot lower than normal engine vacuum but I think 6 or 7 inches of vacuum should should be about r ight.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: blupinto on January 13, 2013, 09:37:08 PM
Thank you, Toni yes it's a points car.

I didn't realize you had points. This could be as simple as the condenser failing. It's on the outside of the distributor. Quick fix & only a few bucks.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

blupinto

Thank you, Toni yes it's a points car. I will enlist my mechanic neighbor to help me on this. First I'll pull the distributor cap and see what I can see (if there's anything I can see). I can understand water getting to the carb from the gas tank- I think that's why she's surged in the past- more so when the gas tank is less than half- full.

I'm not sure what the brake booster hose looks like. :-[
One can never have too many Pintos!

ToniJ1960

 Im wondering if some water gut into the carb passages if theres water in the tank. But I think the first thing is to check for spark, get someone o help you I guess Im always afraid of doing that too. I read on electronic ignition cars you shouldnt but I think yours is apoints car isnt it?

Checking at the coil would tell you if the spark is there but I think it would be better to check at a couple of spark plug wires. Then y ou know the distributor is turning and everything there is good if more than one sparks. The next thing I would do then is hook up a vacuum gauge to the intake manifold vacuum (pull of the brake booster hose if it has power brakes and connect to it) check the cranking vacuum.

Then the next thing may be to pull out a plug and see if theres any fuel smell in the cylinder after you crank it a bit. I never tried this but if its impractical I guess someone will let me know.

blupinto

Thank you Matty (and your Dad) and Rob! I'm not brave enough to do the spark thing yet, but here's a question: the belt on this car looks and feels fairly new. With my fingers I can pull on it and to me it feels a tad stretched. Here's the question: How do I determine the right tension or tightness on the belt? I know where the belt tensioner is, but what point can I tighten it and call it good? I don't know if it's a cheapy belt, but I wouldn't be too surprised if it was.
One can never have too many Pintos!

78txpony

Was the timing belt tight?  I once had a cheapie on mine which stretched and it jumped a tooth or so, just enough for it to die, but still show spark, fuel, and compression.  Ironically that happened on 2-29-2000...

Also on my car I can pull the coil wire off, crank it and a spark will leap from the tower to the fender - easily seen from the drivers seat.  Of course mine has the higher output ignition system, but it could work on yours. Or pop the coil wire from the disty and place it near a metal bolt or such where you can see it. 
You are pretty certain you have fuel, now you need to confirm you have spark.

Hope you get it running soon! 
-Rob Young
1978 Pinto Pony sedan (Old Faithful) a.k.a. "the Tramp"
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thelonerider2005/sets
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (442 clone) -"Lady" (My mistress...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/robsalbum/sets
1986 Cutlass Supreme Coupe - "Pristine"
1997 H-D Sportster

r4pinto

Thank my Dad..  :D  He thought of it from his days of fixing the Pintos my Mom owned & then the family wagon lol. Prolly also good to look at the cam timing since it could have skipped a few teeth & is now out of time.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

I haven't yet. That's my next idea. I can't remember what I'm looking for timing-wise, though... and I'm not feeling well physically this whole weekend. I have a four-day weekend coming up next weekend so I'll hopefully be feeling better and can actually think.  Thank you for bringing it up.  :)
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Dunno if you said u did or not but have u pulled the distributor & checked it?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

Replaced spark plugs and wires (plugs have proper gap) but she's still not starting.  :(
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

I'm glad it's warmed up a bit in the buckeye state. Nice & warm at 60 today.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

No... I need another person to assist me in that.  Maybe tomorrow I can wrangle my mechanic neighbor to help.  ;)

My fingers did thaw... but the sun's down again, and they're getting stiff again.  :o
One can never have too many Pintos!

johnbigman2011

Becky, did you check for spark like pinto 5.0 said. Check your distributor cap as well.

Sounds like your not getting any spark??

Glad to hear your fingers thawed out too :D
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

blupinto

Ok so far this is what I've found:

I took that belt cover thingy (yes that's the technical term! lol) off so I can get a decent look at the belt and teeth. The belt looks and feels fairly new. No cracks, no dry rubber look... and all the teeth are present and accounted for. I tightened the alternator belt so I can move the belt (thank you HOSS429 for that suggestion). I don't know if I should breathe a sigh of relief or not yet... taking off that cover reminded me of taking all that stuff off my Runabout Wildfire (nightmares to come) to replace her timing belt (good times).  I went ahead and replaced the fuel filter and verified that fuel is coming to the carburetor and  made sure the spark plug wires were connected to whatever they're supposed to be connected to... she still won't start.  :-\


I have spark plug wires, spark plugs, and fuel line (as well as a new timing belt I may or may not need) on order from O'Reilly's.  I did notice, while the cover was off, that the pointers and such to synchronize the timing are different on this car as opposed to the other 2.3 car I have.  I couldn't do the air compressor thing because I don't have a compressor. I do know I'm getting fuel to the carb, though, so there's something else here...
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

OK you got me there.. 20s & 30s is cold. I won't even work on my car in that temp..  ;)
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

In the 20s and 30s. It's supposed to get that cold tonight. Right now I think, with wind-chill factor it's in the 40s and YES THAT'S COLD! No bellyaching about us Californians who don't REALLY know what cold is!  If my fingers are numb it's COLD... or my carpal tunnel acting up. In this case it's cold.  ;D


Yes we have snow in our mountains as low as 2000 ft (unusual).  We had a cold snap in 2007 that devastated a lot of crops out here... in the millions of dollars.  A lot of avocado and citrus farmers were devastated too.  It doesn't usually get this cold but in parts of San Diego it even snowed briefly! Now THAT'S RARE! lol Where was the snow when I was a kid!?
Don't want it now. The way people drive out here, if there was a little ice on the roads the freeway system would shut down due to all the knuckleheads who can barely drive on sunny dry days now driving on snow or ice. YIKES!!! :o

Ok for now I'm off my soap box. I already miss driving the wagon... she has so much torque even in 4th gear! I have to be patent... but I will keep y'all posted with updates as they happen! ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Quote from: blupinto on January 10, 2013, 07:31:15 PM
lol John I've been digging out drains and chopping out fountain grass and other crap all day. I'm plumb tuckered out tonight, not to mention ice cold. My fingers are numb.  :)

What is your definition of cold?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

johnbigman2011

I didn't think that it ever got cold in Cali.. Maybe the mountains??
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

blupinto

lol John I've been digging out drains and chopping out fountain grass and other crap all day. I'm plumb tuckered out tonight, not to mention ice cold. My fingers are numb.  :)
One can never have too many Pintos!

johnbigman2011

Becky, get you a sweat shirt and a light and get after it... I want to hear what is wrong with her.
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

blupinto

Well, so far I've tried the fan blade test. THe fan turns, sure enough... but nothing else does. The alternator belt seems fairly tight, but that wasn't moving, either.  :-\ Now it's too dark and cold (we're in for a cold snap as bad as in '07 here) so I'll tighten alt. belt and then see what happens.  Saturday, if fair weather holds out, I'll do the other stuff. Good news is I do have a fuel filter waiting in the wings for her. I just haven't had a chance to replace her old one. It's the one that screws into the carburetor itself.
One can never have too many Pintos!