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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

New project... 1980 Runabout

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dick1172762

Get a tube of dow coring compound from your parts store. It looks like clear grease and it will not conduct spark.  Smear it into the boots and you will never have a problem removing the boots in the future. Does not melt or run off ever.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

r4pinto

So I got a new set of Walker Thundercore Ultra spark plug wires from Jegs. Regular price is $25.99, on sale for $15.50. Ordered them Thursday, then went to the store to pick them up Friday. 8mm wire vs 7mm wire, better insulation for less radio noise. Seems to be a better overall wire. Today I will install them, as well as adjust the carburetor and choke assembly so it actually functions. When I'm done the car will have fast idle, which is more than I can say at the moment.


Currently the car starts and runs but no fast idle or working choke. That'll change very soon.
Matt Manter
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r4pinto

Quote from: dick1172762 on August 12, 2017, 01:19:06 PM
Get one of those little compressors that plugs into the lighter. I never leave home with out mine.

Already got one. Had one for years.
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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dick1172762

Get one of those little compressors that plugs into the lighter. I never leave home with out mine.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

r4pinto

Quote from: dga57 on August 10, 2017, 09:14:18 AM
That SHOULD take care of the problem; hope so anyway.  I'm excited for you finally making it to the Pinto/Maverick show.  Whenever I get my orange '74 Runabout finished up and home, that show is going to be one of my top priorities - it looks like a beautiful setting.


Dwayne :)
Thanks Dwayne. I ordered a set of plug wires from Jegs and they will be in tomorrow. They are rated better than OE and are on sale for two bucks less than oreily auto parts. Only $15 bucks with regular price of $30. I have a week to do additional test drives so I'm not worried about it too much. I am also going to get my Pinto tool box in order so I have plenty of spare parts and tools just in case.


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

That SHOULD take care of the problem; hope so anyway.  I'm excited for you finally making it to the Pinto/Maverick show.  Whenever I get my orange '74 Runabout finished up and home, that show is going to be one of my top priorities - it looks like a beautiful setting.


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Well last time I drove the car I noticed that at higher speeds the car had a noticeable misfire. I pulled the plugs and 1-3 looked really good, but 4 was another story. It seemed to not be burning too cleanly. The cylinder wasn't rich, but at the same time not fully burning either. When I pulled the plugs all four were over .040" with specs of .034". I didn't gap the plugs before since I didn't have a wire feeler gauge, and they were platinum plugs. Well the gap should make a difference in how she runs.

The bigger issue was the #4 plug wire was broken at the plug itself. I did the usual twist to break it loose and gently pull but that's when I found the wire was damaged. I will get a new set of plug wires for the car and keep the other three as spares for the toolbox for when I go to the car show next weekend.

I'm glad to have found this issue before driving to the car show instead of during the drive. The car was running ok except when cruising and since I will be mostly cruising around 65-70 I need it right.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: dick1172762 on August 07, 2017, 10:52:04 AM
Please post more pictures showing your work. I'm sure they will help anyone with a Pinto that is less than perfect including my own 80 model.

I'll be sure to. I've always loved Pintos, and posting the progress is enjoyable. I may have to step away from time to time when I get annoyed but if my project post will help others it's worth it.

The car will be getting driven to the gym tonight after work, and can then see what other adjustments I need to make to do well on the trip to Geneva, Ohio. A little buffing on the paint should help as well so she shines up nicely.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dick1172762

Please post more pictures showing your work. I'm sure they will help anyone with a Pinto that is less than perfect including my own 80 model.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

r4pinto

Pics of the interior work to the car.


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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

When I got rid of the 77 sedan I kept the door seal I installed on the 77's driver door. The picture shows just how bad the old one was.  I'd say it was amazing it wasn't leaking but when I washed the car I found it was leaking.
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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Sounds like a day well spent!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

I got busy on the car today. Previously I installed a remote sport passenger mirror and finished the installation. Yesterday I removed the door panel to replace a bad speaker and wiring so while I had it apart I went ahead and ran the mirror cable inside the car. Like most it doesn't fully function but it is at least done correctly. I also scrubbed the door panel and pieces, as well as replace a worn window crank. With the panel cleaned, speaker grill installed and door accessories cleaned up it looks better. I also reassembled the rest of the interior and it is much better.

I went ahead and also vacuumed the back since I never did. There was a bunch of crud inside but much nicer now that it's cleaned up.


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well I had to unfold and tape some areas but considering she was a barn car I'm surprised the mice didn't get it


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Always cool to stumble onto the build sheet!  Doesn't appear to be in bad shape at all!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

So when I had the seats out of the car I found the build sheet. The paper was very brittle but I managed to reconstruct it


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

New starter and she runs good. Also tightened the exhaust so no more banging pipe. Ran good although her carb needs adjusting before the trip.


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Took the starter and battery to AutoZone to be tested. The battery tested good but starter kept blowing their breakers. It was locked up.  I had a feeling it was on its last leg when I did the motor swap but it supposedly tested good. I know they can go bad quickly but seems odd to have failed and never seemed to crank very well. $56 for a lifetime warranty unit versus $34 for a one year warranty. Could the one year work? Perhaps but don't want to chance it going bad on month 13 of 12 months and have to buy another.


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Yeah, I was doing a quick diagnostic last night by feeling things. The coil felt very warm so not sure but it might be overheating. When I did the motor swap I took both the ignition coil, and the ignition box from the 77, as I replaced them previously. I have a Pinto toolbox, which is a metal tool box with a Pinto emblem on the outside. Inside there are going to be tools, a couple clamps, and a few easy spare parts like timing belt, distributor, cap, rotor, couple plug wires, ignition coil, and ignition box.

First things first though.... Pull the starter and get it replaced. I had it tested last year when I did the motor swap and all was well so I'm not thrilled about this but can't do anything about it either.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Cookieboystoys

Re: I also noticed occasionally the car would just shut off as if I turned off the key. When it happened the car wouldn't restart for a couple minutes, then fire up like nothing happened after a couple minutes.

1st thing I would suspect would be the electronic ignition box, had a couple different ones do exactly the same thing over the years. Never fun getting them back to reliable but when you do sure is fun to enjoy the fruits of your labor. Keep at it Matt :)
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

r4pinto

Another road block. Her starter died. New one at AutoZone or remanufactured unit. She will get a remanufactured unit


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Matt,


I'm glad you're still making progress!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Well the transmission leak returned. I looked, and it seemed to be in the same area as before. I know the old transmission pan was causing some issues, since it was leaking all over, mainly in the right front corner. Well, it was sealed everywhere EXCEPT the right front corner. I inspected it and it didn't seem to be leaking from the pan or anywhere else, but noticed it seemed wet in the area of the dipstick tube. I tried my best to repair it but may end up replacing the dipstick tube. I couldn't tell but thinking there may be an issue with the tube itself.

I also went ahead and put the interior back in so I can take a test drive with the car tomorrow. A week from next Friday I hit the road so I want to make sure it's good and safe. Worst case scenario I monitor the transmission fluid and add as needed.

I will be pulling the passenger side door panel off the car so I can replace the bad door speaker and wiring. I found the original speaker is dead, so I will be installing a Sony speaker I got from the salvage yard a while back.

I also noticed occasionally the car would just shut off as if I turned off the key. When it happened the car wouldn't restart for a couple minutes, then fire up like nothing happened after a couple minutes. I pushed the connector back on the coil, as well as the coil wire and all was fine after. We'll see what happens. If the coil is bad I have a spare.
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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Since I have the interior pulled to paint the carpet I tried to replace the rear seat belt buckles that were badly rusted with the ones from a 92 mustang convertible. The bracket on the driver side one needs modified slightly and the passenger side broke the torx bit. Can't get it off so for now I did a repair job. A little sanding and testors silver model paint and it looks much better.


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r4pinto

Far from perfect but much better I think. Once it dries I will bolt the seats back in


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r4pinto

carpet before and after paint. The spot I didn't hit was where the seat will be. And I was running out of paint


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
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r4pinto

Today was productive. I started off going to Jegs to pick up the transmission drain pan for my car. Pulled off the old one and found it was dimpled and warped all over. Now it was leaking before I did the initial fluid and filter change so my guess is it was overtightened before. Hopefully this shiney chrome C4 drain pan will seal up and stay sealed.

Since the car was up in the air I also went to remove the shifter from the car. Unfortunately the clips holding the 8mm bolts broke so for now it is on the car and doesn't want to come off... stupid clip nut things. While I was at it I also removed the seats from the car so I can vacuum the interior, as well as paint the old carpet. It looked better after vacuuming but still very faded. It looks much better than before. I also scrubbed the seats, as well as the interior trim panels since everything was grimy. The back seat belt buckles are rather nasty so I also went to remove them. The replacements are from a 92 Mustang and slightly different in how they mount but they should work nicely . The passenger side seems fused to the car, and badly rusted so I'm not sure how I will get it off. Perhaps jack up the back of the car and soak the bolt in blaster. Since the gas tank is back there I really don't want to heat it up to loosen it.

I also found the build sheet, and will be taping it back together to keep with the car. Not in bad shape for almost 40. Once the phone is charged I will post pics of the work done.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Yeah. Pretty pricey compared to what I can afford. Fortunately the  one I got is working for now.


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dick1172762

They have it for a hatch too if you do need it some day.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

r4pinto

Quote from: dick1172762 on August 01, 2017, 03:47:58 PM
If you still need weather striping for your Pinto with a trunk, go to  http://www.weatherstripspecial.com  They have it in stock.
Thanks. That pinto has been sold off for scrap though. My current one is a hatch. For now it seems to have stopped leaking after beating the hatch in to submission


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