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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dick1172762

AN ESS Pinto has to be as rare as a Group 2 Pinto I would think. I've only seen one ever. Hope it got finished and being driven.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

r4pinto

Hey Alpine. Was searching through old posts and noticed it had been quite some time since anything was done. Were you able to get anything done to the car? Hopefully better luck than I had with my 1980 lol
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Alpine615

Well I went to the junkyard today and turns out the last "mechanic" that touched this particular Mustang already unbolted the crank pulley for me! So now all I had to do was get the hub. Cordless impact wrench from Harbor Freight for the WIN! After switching between clockwise and counterclockwi se motion for a minute, the bolt began to back out.

However...I could not get that hub to come off. I tried gently prying with a flat screwdriver, I tried my slide hammer (and ended up slightly bending the thing)...so now I'm at a loss...

I read a post on AllFordMustang s that said to thread the crank bolt back in a little (without the washer) and use the jaws on the INSIDE, but I ran out of time today...hopefully it's all still there next time I can come back (probably sometime in April)...

Also, Photobucket is down at the moment...maybe I can add pics tomorrow or Monday.
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Alpine615

Thanks for the heads-up, Steve! I'll report back once I get a chance to go to the yard...

Also, you've got mail.
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Pinturbo75

youre gonna need the pullies and crank hub off a ranger or a stang with dis setup... the pullies off the distributor 2.3s sits in a different location...
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

Alpine615

Quote from: Alpine615 on November 28, 2012, 10:46:35 AM
I should be able to add pictures in the coming weeks.

I am such a friggin' liar! Haha

Well, while I've been absolutely negligent in updating this thread (and adding pictures), I have been carving out some time to do small things here and there for the project, and mostly parts-gathering. Here's a summary for the last couple of months:

- Test fit the manifold and flanges, as well as the Datsun T3. I clocked the CHRA to point down and towards the inner passenger fender. Definitely enough room there to turn 90* to face the intercooler.
- Attempted to measure how much would need to be cut out of the upper intake to clear the stock hood. Ended up talking to Steve (Pinturbo) and BoPort about it. Just gonna have Bo do the gutting/rotating, I think.

Funny story: when I took off the lower intake manifold to prep to send to Bo, I discovered the a rodent's nest! Gonna have to take the head off and break out the air compressor to clean everything out.......what a PITA!

- Lastly I've managed to get most of the parts required to do the EDIS conversion, although I still need a dual serpentine crank pulley to be able to run the Ranger passenger side alternator properly. Otherwise, it would be driver off the water pump pulley and I don't think that's desirable. Gonna try to hit the local pick-n-pull yard this weekend to rip one off a Fox body Mustang.

I find out sometime this month about a contract extension with my job, and I've been told it just needs to be processed through the system. When it goes through, I'll be picking up the "big ticket items" to keep the project moving. Once the weather warms up I expect there to be some serious progress. Whether I'll actually post pictures up, we'll see...  :D
1980 Runabout

Alpine615

Wow! I can't believe I've been away from this thread since AUGUST! Time flies, but I don't know if the past 3 months have been all that fun..

Anyway, a quick update on my project. The car's been sitting in my friend's garage for the past 3 months, stayed safe during Superstorm Sandy, and is patiently waiting to be worked on. I recently ordered a set of "flip flanges" from a guy on the Turbo Ranger Forums (AJ Fritz) that will allow me to rotate the exhaust manifold 180*. (Hat tip to Pinturbo for posting this info on another thread!) I had done some rough fitment measurements, and I think this will work. My reasoning for going this route was I was hoping to avoid cutting the inner passenger fender where the battery normally rests to make room for a turbo in the "stock" location. Also, I should be able to keep my heater.

I also picked up a used T3 that began its life on a 1982 Datsun 280ZX, and will be looking to rebuild it over the holidays. I plan on measuring the space for a FMIC, and fabricate mounting brackets as well. I've read that a 25" x 12" x 3" would fit nicely. (eBay link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/160654709024?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649) Once that's installed, and the manifold and turbo are mounted, I can start to figure out how I want to route the piping. I still need to figure out the upper intake (from the '88 TC) and how much to rotate it for the FMIC. There's another eBay auction I have saved for this work, since I can't do it myself. (http://www.ebay.com/itm/150745265601?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)

I should be able to add pictures in the coming weeks.

-Steve
1980 Runabout

r4pinto

Good deal! I got a LOT of work to do to my alloys to make them look good but it will be worth it in the end.  Just sticking with the 13s on the car.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Alpine615

Quote from: r4pinto on August 28, 2012, 11:27:45 AM
That's looking really nice! What size are those wheels? They look sharp on there. Then again they are similar to the design of the alloys  ;D

Thanks, Matt! They are 15" rims...rear discs are 11" or 11.25" (same as front) and they BARELY clear the small GM caliper...

And the fact that they look like the optional 13" alloys from Ford was the major reason I bought them. They will look even better when I can have some small screw holes drilled in them so I can install my Granada 5-lug center caps and get rid of the cheap, plastic ones that came with it!



1980 Runabout

r4pinto

That's looking really nice! What size are those wheels? They look sharp on there. Then again they are similar to the design of the alloys  ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Alpine615

More pics...


On the ground for the first time in 9-1/2 years!!!


Pushed it outside to give it some fresh air...


The next morning...


Now it sits in its new home: my friend's garage...but for how long??  :o


Celebration time!  8)
1980 Runabout

Alpine615

MAJOR UPDATE!

Car has steering, suspension, brakes, wheels & tires installed! Photobucket was giving me trouble at work, and then wouldn't upload on my cell phone and I wanted to wait to post until I could show pictures! Feast yer eyes...


Front passenger side...11" Granada rotor with small GM caliper


Rear driver side parking brake cable (temporary fix, hahaha  ;D )


Test-fitting the 15" Ansen Sprint rims




Tires mounted
1980 Runabout

Pinto5.0

'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Alpine615

Last week was huge. My friend came over and we installed the engine & transmission (even if only temporary), and then proceeded to install the coil springs!! Even with the weight of (most of) the engine, he still had to stand on the car to weigh it down further. I managed to jack up the lower control arm on the ball joint (with the grease fitting removed, of course) and thread the castle nut on the upper ball joint, connecting the spindle to both arms. FINALLY!





Then, this past Monday I put in the shocks and strut rods (not a great picture, I'll admit)...and as a bonus I put the driver's seat back in...




Later this week: front brakes, sway bar + linkages, modify the Pinto spring plates for the 2-3/4" U-bolts (for 8" rear end), bolt up the rear and do the rear brakes...phew!
1980 Runabout

Pinto5.0

That sucks that it wouldn't go together easily. Too bad you don't have a couple buddies who can come over & sit on the core support to add some weight.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Alpine615

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on July 25, 2012, 03:45:24 PM

Just do what I'm doing & make it your own. My '80 has some interesting options of it's own so I'm keeping the stock interior & exterior treatments down to the side stripes. I like the Rallye spoilers so I'm adding them on but I'm modifying the rear to work with my steel hatch. I also have one of Map's ducktail spoilers that may get used if I like the look better with the rear window louvers.

'77 tail lights & bumpers are going on & I have a steel 2" cowl induction scoop that I'm going to weld on to the hood to clear the eventual turbo addition & I may add a filler door over the gas cap since I have pinholes around my gas cap & need to fix it anyhow. That's it, just some changes to set it apart & personalize it to my tastes.

Do the blackouts around the side windows & paint the Rallye stripes at the bottom without the word "RALLYE" & same for the spoiler on the back. Make it stand apart from a real one with minor changes.

Yeah, I think more than anything I like the blackout treatments, which shouldn't be hard to replicate (especially since I have great reference photos from mrskydog's Rallye.) And I have always liked the Rallye package, but also I was thinking it would be a crime to remove (a.k.a. destroy) the Rallye tape stripe on the spolier and re-paint it to match.

It is obviously a decision that will have to be made a little further down the road, and I have other things to focus on. We've already had to call off the realtor walk-through because the car can't be rolled out of the garage, but we still may make the desired listing date of 15-Aug. Wish me luck! :)

By the way, what you have already and what you plan to do sound awesome! I have to find it again, but I read your posts about the car a while back and I really dig the interior. Black and gold!
1980 Runabout

Alpine615

Long time, no updates...sorry 'bout that! I tried doing what Pinto5.0 suggested with my front coils, but the car still began to lift off the jackstands!  :-\  So I backed it down and will try again once the engine and trans are in. I don't know why it didn't work for me, but I will upload a pic later tonight.

On the to-do list this afternoon:
- Install the steering rack, hook it up to the steering joint
- Lower in the engine/trans and bolt up
- Install the driver's seat and steering wheel

Next week:
- Front suspension???  :)
1980 Runabout

blink77

Steve-- Glad everybody is happy. That must be
your girlfriends cat (now your best friend). Nice
looking cat. But you know we love cats. I wish I
had gone with you to Kirk's. But, he is close enough
that I'll see that great car somewhere along the way.
I was happy to meet you and I think the right guy got
the parts. Sally says Hi!! Good luck with the house and
finding a place for your Pinto and your stash of parts.
You are one dedicated guy!!! Keep in touch.
Bill

Pinto5.0

Quote from: Alpine615 on July 25, 2012, 11:57:58 AM
Yeah I've wanted the all-glass look for a very long time. And it wasn't until recently that I found ESS emblems on eBay. But now that I have the Rallye spoiler, I am not sure what I want to do. I think getting the side lettering and stripes reproduced will be extremely expensive, if anyone can/will even do it. I've contacted Phoenix Graphix, but haven't heard back yet.

Anyway, the exterior is the last thing I should be worried about. Three weeks until the parents' house is listed. Ahhh!

Just do what I'm doing & make it your own. My '80 has some interesting options of it's own so I'm keeping the stock interior & exterior treatments down to the side stripes. I like the Rallye spoilers so I'm adding them on but I'm modifying the rear to work with my steel hatch. I also have one of Map's ducktail spoilers that may get used if I like the look better with the rear window louvers.

'77 tail lights & bumpers are going on & I have a steel 2" cowl induction scoop that I'm going to weld on to the hood to clear the eventual turbo addition & I may add a filler door over the gas cap since I have pinholes around my gas cap & need to fix it anyhow. That's it, just some changes to set it apart & personalize it to my tastes.

Do the blackouts around the side windows & paint the Rallye stripes at the bottom without the word "RALLYE" & same for the spoiler on the back. Make it stand apart from a real one with minor changes.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Alpine615

Yeah I've wanted the all-glass look for a very long time. And it wasn't until recently that I found ESS emblems on eBay. But now that I have the Rallye spoiler, I am not sure what I want to do. I think getting the side lettering and stripes reproduced will be extremely expensive, if anyone can/will even do it. I've contacted Phoenix Graphix, but haven't heard back yet.

Anyway, the exterior is the last thing I should be worried about. Three weeks until the parents' house is listed. Ahhh!
1980 Runabout

r4pinto

going all glass hatch I see. I dunno if I would wanna do that with mine. I like the rallye look but not sure about the all glass back
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

mrskydog

Steve what a great find on the spoilers  Very Nice!  it was worth the trip. Hope to meet up once the car is complete again.....Kirk

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Alpine615

While I was snapping pics of my coil spring insulators last night, I decided to I would clean up and take pictures of my recent "haul" out to Michigan. I met up with Bill (blink77) and his wife, Sally, to pick up some parts from him. Why wouldn't I have him ship them, instead? Because one of them was this:





Bill said he didn't want to ship the all-glass hatch, and I don't blame him! Years ago I bought one from Oregon and it broke during shipment. Luckily it was insured, and I got my money back, but these suckers are tough to locate. And when you do, they are usually half a world away! I also purchased front and rear Rallye spoilers, deluxe door panels, wood grain A/T shifter & bezel and a Mustang II center console. In between grabbing parts for me, Bill was showing me all of their rides, all wagons: a red '79 with vented hood, a '77 pro-stock with '79/'80 fenders, and a '76 with a Mustang V8 in it. I couldn't be happier with my purchases, and it was a pleasure to spend part of my afternoon with Bill and Sally, who were very welcoming...











After I loaded up my purchases, I took a 45 minute detour further north into Michigan to meet mrskydog (Kirk) to see his 1980 Rallye first-hand. All I can say is, wow! What a beautiful car! I posted a separate album, see this link: [size=78%]http://photobucket.com/80rallye[/size]


It was a looong journey, but well worth it. Thank you to Bill, Sally and Kirk!
1980 Runabout

Alpine615

Good deal, I just used Buy It Now on a pair of them for $20...they should arrive Monday.


My old isolators are still pliable, but are showing signs of cracking. I'm sure they would still be fine, but as I mentioned in a previous post, practically everything else that is going in this car has been replaced. Once you start, it's hard to stop...




1980 Runabout

Pinto5.0

During my 1st attempt at installing the coils I had the jack where you tried but it lifted the car so I went to the end under the ball joint for more leverage.

I wire wheeled my stock springs & drowned them in chassis black. I also re-used my isolators since they were still pliable & showed no sign of deterioration.

I picked up isolators off Ebay for 20 bucks. They were an exact match for the stockers. Here's the link. I don't think Dorman makes them.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-MUSTANG-II-COIL-SPRING-CUSHIONS-PADS-GASKETS-1-PAIR-/300745526979?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4605d48ec3
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Alpine615

During my failed attempt at compressing the spring, I was concerned about damaging the grease fitting, so I placed the floor jack on the front lip of the lower arm...a little too dicey for my liking, as I was lined up directly with the spring (as opposed to your picture, where you go in from the side.) One small slip and that spring could've expanded with explosive force. I like your method because it gives more support to the arm, but I agree I'll need to remove or protect the fitting.

10-4 on lining up the bottom of the coil with the notch in the lower arm. I think I want to replace both rubber spring pads (coil spring insulator, as RockAuto lists it) but the picture looks different from what I removed from my car (I'll upload a pic when I get home tonight). Can you, or anyone else, provide a replacement part # (like Dorman/Help!)?

And yes, I am re-using the stock springs, which have been coated with Eastwood rubberized rust encapsulator.
1980 Runabout

Pinto5.0

Quote from: Alpine615 on July 24, 2012, 10:14:52 AM
Pinto5.0 - That's brilliant, thank you for the advice and photos. Will give that a try this weekend, hopefully sooner.

I hope it works for you. Mine snapped together like Lego pieces on the 1st try. Make sure you either leave the grease fitting out or use a THICK towel under the ball joint so you don't snap the Zerk off.

I'm assuming you are running 4-cyl. springs. I don't think V-8 springs go in without banding them.

When you jack it up to the point where the front is about to lift off the jackstands you should be able to pull the upper control arm down enough to start the nut on the ball joint.  Just be sure you have the bottom coil lined up with the notch, otherwise that side of the car will sit a little high & there is no way to spin the spring to correct it unless you disassemble it again.

Also check the rubber spring pads at the top before you install the springs. Replace them if they are shot so it doesn't squeak. If one is bad change them both or you will have a slight height difference as well.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Alpine615

Pinto5.0 - That's brilliant, thank you for the advice and photos. Will give that a try this weekend, hopefully sooner.

1980 Runabout

Pinto5.0

I installed my front suspension with my engine/trans. removed. I put my jack under the ball joint & it went together easily. Make sure the spring is fully seated at the top & clocked properly so the end of the coil will seat in the notch on the control arm.



Get it to this point with the jack in place then.....



Simply jack it up until the upper ball joint goes into the spindle & spin the nut on.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Alpine615

Sooo had a slight setback on Friday night. First, I found out that the stabilizer bar tends to get in the way when installing the rest of the front suspension, so I removed that. No big deal. Well, then I tried to use a jack to raise the lower control arm & compress the coil spring, and the whole car began to lift off of the jackstands!! Looks like I will need to put the engine and transmission in first to help give the car some front end weight.

New order of operations is this: install steering rack & steering column, engine and transmission, THEN front suspension.

I feel kinda stupid posting this, but as I said from the beginning, I am learning as I go along and this will be a catalog of all my successes AND failures... :P
1980 Runabout