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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dianne

Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

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74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dianne

That is soooo ugly! I mean real ugly, I will take it off your hands and send it to me ahahaha

WOW, I need one!!!! Nice, very nice Reeves!!!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

Had some time this morning , before returning to the grind......

Before :








I had it soda blasted. It took the blue paint off of the word FORD. Was just a little bit cleaner. Not clean enough by a long shot.
Set up my small sand blaster to use Walnut - didn't do anything.
So, since I have two......I sand blasted it.
It's blown off with air - will need a power wash.

After:











Worked awesome ! Not afraid to do so again ! LOL !

Reeves1

Right rad support done.






dianne

You can boost it also. I plan on twin turbos, all in time of course, but as they say it's all in the air flow in those heads and intake. You have the intakes though :D

Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

74 PintoWagon

Still going to be a real cool ride..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Reeves1

Although I'm (trying) to build this one to 8.5 - it will not be that fast.

Engine will be a 302w roller block. Bore / stroke to 331. (likely a Scat stroker kit)
Solid roller (aggressive) cam & roller top end.
Want to run pump gas, so 10:1 or 10.5:1 compression.
Heads are 1969 closed chamber. Going to have them heavily ported & big valves.
Port & port match the vintage C90X - 9424 B intake, along with some plenum work.
Intake gaskets for the propane application to close off heat to the intake.
I already have the Holley 750 DP carb & MSD ignition (have to pick up a 6AL box though)

I already have a like new 9" diff housing. It will be narrowed, maybe Mark Williams axles & likely 4:30 gears.

I have a T-5. Going to have it re-built to as strong as it can be.

Just guessing, likely be in the 400 to 450 HP range ?

Just guessing, likely in the low 11s or with the right conditions , 10s ?

Going to hold onto this car till "the end".

B2 car will likely be sold when done & tested. Getting "long in the tooth" for a car that is going to be that fast.

Lots to do yet to this blue one.
First "plan" was to do the minimum to get it on the road.
Decided to chase all rust I am able to fix / replace.
Windshield cowl will be removed, along with the box below that.

Hope to have enough done by next summer to have the diff & cage built by a guy in Calgary.

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dianne

WOW, almost as much as the Pro 4. That's gonna be an awesome frame. I'm building a 10 second car, maybe 11. I'll start with that and build over time if health and life allow it :) I need to break the 9 second mark in my lifetime though, that's on my bucket list.

You go Reeves, I'll live the 8 seconds through you for now!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

Dianne - google: 8.5 cert roll cage
You will find lot of pictures / info.
NHRA rules are the same everywhere.

Some of the attachment points in mine will be to also strengthen the sub frames I'm installing. Need this, as the springs will be connected to them.
My subs will extend out the back end about 1/4" past the body metal. I'm having solid steel blocks made to insert into the sub frames & weld in. They will be drilled in the center & tapped for at least a 1/2" bolt.
Reason: someone down the road may up the game with more engine & need chute attachment points.
Easier to do now, than after paint.

dianne

Quote from: Reeves1 on September 20, 2015, 03:16:43 PM
Aiming for an 8.5 cert cage & through the dash.
Want to keep the front bars as close to the front as I can.
Cage will be built by a guy in Calgary.
Same guy that will build my 9" diff.

The cage will be expensive. Are the tracks up there like the ones in the US? We have to have certain things at some seconds. I'm going to be building a 400 Stroker. Still learning, it's a LOT different than it was in the 70s for certain.

Do you have a design for the cage?
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

For street & up to a 10 second 1/4 all you would need is a 6 point behind the seats - like my white car.
(I'm over building this blue one)

Floor plates have to be 6" x 6" and .125 thick. Rocker plates 6" x 2".

Google the newest NHRA rules. Easy down load. Keep as a pdf. I printed mine out.

76hotrodpinto

I'm not familiar with how they are graded, I just know I want to get a good one in mine too, for street use.
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

Reeves1

Aiming for an 8.5 cert cage & through the dash.
Want to keep the front bars as close to the front as I can.
Cage will be built by a guy in Calgary.
Same guy that will build my 9" diff.

76hotrodpinto

How big of a cage are you putting in? Are you chopping thru your dash for full cage or just lower side bars to the front mounting areas you installed? I'm looking at doing this project too.
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

Reeves1

More time off = more done on the car.

Finished the front cage mount areas. Welded all inside seams on the trans tunnel. Repair / replace rust areas.




Front left rad support / inner fender had some rust issues.



Cut it out & replaced with new metal. 100 % welded seams.






The corner supports were rusted through. Made new ones. Got the left side done.






Rad support seams welded inside & out.
All work areas were sand blasted first.
Spray with primer to help prevent rust as the project goes along, till it goes for final blasting.

76hotrodpinto

Looks like your making great progress. I have the same plans for my floor pans, then more frame bracing. I can't get mine on a rotisserie, but I have a karmann ghia about to go up on it. Not mine, just a friends project.
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

Reeves1

Had a few days off & a few rain days off. Got some get ready for snow stuff at home done, as well as some work on the car.

Drivers side .125" plate is in. Still have to weld in the 6" x 2" plate on the rocker.
Although NHRA only requires a 6" x 6" plate for the cage, I wanted it to extend beyond that to replace the seam with rust & because I'm going to build torque boxes. Just because  ;D
It is also welded to the OEM frame rails.
I have a small patch to do at the top left of this plate. Will be done with thinner metal.




Also worked on the right side. Got the .125 plate in. Also three thinner metal sections to replace rusted areas. Some "gob" welds below the 3.5" 4" plate is to weld up a few small rust through spots.
Still have to weld in the 6" x 2" rocker plate.




All will be welded from under the car as well......when it goes on the rotisserie. Not sure when now......decided to do a lot more work / repairs than originally planned  :o
Again, the primer is only to help prevent rust from starting till it goes for the full blasting.

dianne

Quote from: Reeves1 on September 02, 2015, 09:00:11 PM
Actually more excited about this one than the B2 car.
Building this one from scratch is much more interesting, and fun.

B2 car is "tainted" ......due to the engine builds, and time lost on what should have been a 6 month upgrade. Lost 4 years on it. So far.

Yeah, I honestly can understand that! When I do one from scratch it's always better than buying one, more rewarding and fun!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Reeves1

Actually more excited about this one than the B2 car.
Building this one from scratch is much more interesting, and fun.

B2 car is "tainted" ......due to the engine builds, and time lost on what should have been a 6 month upgrade. Lost 4 years on it. So far.

dianne

You're showing some awesome love to that car Reeves!!!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Pinto5.0

Quote from: Reeves1 on August 16, 2015, 05:32:15 AM
Going to be slow going. Only times I can work on it is during slow times, like xmas, spring break etc.

Thank god I found a self storage that I can work in or nothing would be getting done on my cars for another year or two. This Tuesday my new 18x40 garage goes up which means I can actually get organized & have room to work at home.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Reeves1

Had a few days at home so got some welding done.
Sand blasted the edges of the welding areas inside & out for clean welds.
Changing gas from co2/argon to straight argon before welding next. Mixed gas plugs my lungs up bad for days. Cannot breath 4 - 7 days !



I put tape on the approximate locations of sub frames & cage plate areas.
I want to remove the seam under the heel location. So the plate is (a bit thicker) .125 and will be 6" x about 13". Will weld to floor, sub frame & rocker. A 2" x 6" plate also gets welded to the rocker & floor plates.
Will not be building torque boxes. Not enough front sub frame below the floor pan to bother with them.



Outside plates behind the seat will attach to the sub frames & rockers.





Behind the seat the center 2 tubes will be welded to the sub frames, as well as the 2 going back to the trunk area.
I'll get a guy I know in Calgary to do the cage, to make sure to will pass tech.

Reeves1

In the shot of interior you can see (surface) rust in the wheel well seam. All that will get sand blasted & welded, inside & out.
No more leak(s) and no need for seam sealer.

The floor seams that go from the rockers to trans tunnel have rust, but not through.
They will get cut out & replaced with a thicker metal (have to check on measurements for cage attachments specs for NHRA).
Going to build torque boxes, which will double for mounting locations for the cage.

Likely put it on the rotisserie this xmas , for all the blasting & epoxy primer etc.

Reeves1

Going to be slow going. Only times I can work on it is during slow times, like xmas, spring break etc.

Fire wall / trans tunnel cut out. Will cut a new hole for the wire harness after it's all welded back together.
I'll raise the lower rad hole then as well.






Battery tray area had rot. Cut out. Still need to pick up new metal to replace all that was cut out of the car.



Reeves1

How fast this car gets done depends on work.
Between the low & Global oil prices & the NDP getting in, the whole oil & gas sector has been slowing down.
Jobs are getting hard to find & it's predicted to get much worse.

Reeves1

Got more started.
Strut arms on the blue one were very rusty under the frame rubbers. Took the ones off of Ugly. Good condition.
I'll be pulling the control arms & spindles off of Ugly as well. Main reason, is so I can restore them, powder coated & all new bushings etc & put away. They will be ready when needed. It also lets me roll the car out of the shop for grinding, sand blasting etc. with the originals in place.

Removed the coil springs. 9 1/2" 2x4s put in to hold the front end up.

Cut what was needed out of the fire wall & trans tunnel for (another) V8 swap !

I have most of what I'll need for a 331 roller / stroker for this car. Including a set of NOS Headman Headers. I'll have those ceramic coated, inside & out.
I also have a WC T-5 O'll have re-built with strong parts.
I also picked up a 9" diff housing for this project. It will get narrowed , big axles etc. Likely be in the 4:11 range of gears. Will be OK on the street with a 5th gear.

The right door is junk (because I have others in good shape).
Going to "practice" splitting this door for a look see. Going to see what will be required to pull the crash bars out, to help lighten the car.

I have two sets of fiberglass fenders. One set very light - will go on this car.

74 PintoWagon

I need one of them rotating devices too.. :(
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dianne

Quote from: Reeves1 on July 30, 2015, 07:28:50 AM
I have a new rotisserie this car will be going on, in time. Will save me tons of time / work when the final sand blasting & sub frames are installed etc.

I have rotisserie envy now :(
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied