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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Srt

Quote from: cossiepinto on May 07, 2012, 07:05:10 PM
Thanks for the feedback, SRT.


My problem has been that as my capabilities/pocketbook have become more "capable", I keep doing do-overs.  My wife wonders if I'll ever finish.  It seems every milestone uncovers a new challenge.  Right now, making everything fit has been slow, especially with only weekends to make things happen.

methinks your loving wife might be a bit bit more miserable if you weren't able to 'do it right'
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

cossiepinto

Ok, here are a few pics of what's going on lately with the Cosworth Pinto.


I'm still waiting on the transmission tunnel cover to get back from the powder coater, so I made the engine/oil tank vent hoses up, permanently installed the carbs, headers, radiator, oil cooler, and oil tank.


I also timed the distributor.  There's only one way it can go, since the right angle cap can only point one way.  It's easy to monkey around with it, since you don't have to worry about the oil pump drive falling off the bottom into the pan when you yank the distributor up.  I guess the added expense of the dry sump was worth it!  Haha.


Once the transmission cover is in place, then will come the tedious wiring exercise.  Hours I want to work on the thing are limited now that it's 100 degrees almost every day here by afternoon, sometimes earlier.


Enjoy.




cossiepinto

BigMan,


I bought this car in 1988.  It had a hole in the side of the 2 liter engine and the back floorboard and spare tire well were full of rainwater.  After getting a clear title, the roll cage went in, and I did a few things like putting an 8" rear end in and designing a big brake system for it.  My first plan was to build another 2 liter or possibly buy a BDA (actually a 1700cc BDR) engine, but this plan evolved over time to the YB Cosworth engine.


There were times when the car sat for years (once for 3 years in a row) untouched, especially when we were raising our kids and getting them settled in life, etc.  The Pinto always was last in line when it came to the budget.


Now, we're empty nesters, and time and money are a little more plentiful, hence the upswing in activity and spending.  My wife now wants me to "finish the darned thing", and I'm happy to oblige. It's the Pinto's turn.


Funny thing is, over the years, with the Pinto front end becoming a popular piece for hot rodders who want to put independent front suspensions in, things I never dreamed of are now available: tubular a-arms and brake/hub packages, and nice shocks (although I scored a set of Konis from Racer Walsh years ago), etc.  And, with Pintos becoming popular in mini-stock circle track racing, other suspension bits became available.


So, the short answer is the Pinto's been in the family for 24 years but it's resided in a nice dry garage, untouched for many of those years, waiting its turn.


Paul

johnbigman2011

Paul, how long have you been working on the Cossie Pinto.
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

cossiepinto

Thanks for the feedback, SRT.


My problem has been that as my capabilities/pocketbook have become more "capable", I keep doing do-overs.  My wife wonders if I'll ever finish.  It seems every milestone uncovers a new challenge.  Right now, making everything fit has been slow, especially with only weekends to make things happen.

Srt

Quote from: cossiepinto on April 29, 2012, 10:15:04 AM
BigMan,
I don't know how high-tech the Pinto is; it has some goodies on it, but they're all pretty old-school.  I do have electronic ignition, though...MSD.  Old school high-tech!
Paul

imho, hi tech means attention to detail, flawless (as much as it can be done) workmanship and the willingness to experiment. i suppose you could throw in some modern technology but 'old skool' is really just a way of saying that you can use your imagination and the technologies at hand to perfect your dream
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

cossiepinto

Bigman,


That might have worked if I'd have thought about it in time.  I did need a little extra room to get my fingers in, so I could unscrew the thing, though.  A fuel bung might have been a little too small.


Make sure you take a detour and come by San Angelo when you go on your tour!


Paul

johnbigman2011

You could probably use a fuel bung cap like they sale at So Cal. I purchased one for my t-bucket . I think it would fit nice and look custom like the rest of your car.

Just my thoughts.

I do enjoy turning on the forum and seeing new post about your car!!

Keep it up there Mr. Cossie

West Texas has a pin in it for my power tour that the wife and me will be doing, either this Fall or next Spring
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

cossiepinto

Thanks, Joe, but I don't want you to go blind viewing this project too often!


I'm wrapping up the transmission tunnel mod this weekend.  I had to fabricate a cover and a short stack to clear the oil breather/filler on the top of the gearbox.  I made a lid for it, but am not satisfied, so I'm going to try again.


I need to scare up a 3 3/4 inch diameter aluminum disc to make the lid.  I'll look for something this week.


Right now, the plate is clecoed in place while I wait for my powder coat friend to do a batch of textured black...should be late this next week.


Paul

Pintosopher

Paul ,
This is pure Pinto fabrication Porn.. I'm addicted and I don't care who knows it! PM me if you ever want to do this again. Make sure this car is in every Ford mag .. I salute you sir.. ;)
Pintosopher,  Student of the Wizards, Apprentice to the Fab Gods!
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

cossiepinto

BigMan,


I don't know how high-tech the Pinto is; it has some goodies on it, but they're all pretty old-school.  I do have electronic ignition, though...MSD.  Old school high-tech!


Paul

johnbigman2011

Paul, what could anyone say.  The car is one High tech piece of work for sure.
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

cossiepinto

So far as I can tell, all is aligned well.  The only iffy part might be the pinion angle, as I'm not using a standard rear end.  When I talked to the guys at Speedway Engineering, we settled on a standard pinion angle for the mini-quick change I bought from them.  I can adjust it as necessary.


The Quaife is based on the Pinto German Hummer gearbox, so the standard Pinto bell housing (2 liter) bolts up nicely.  When I decided to use an internal slave cylinder clutch bearing, I sent the measurements to Taylor Race Engineering in Plano, TX, to get the proper input bearing collar length.


If the Quaife had the standard sheet metal trans cover and no breather stack on top of it, the transmission would have slipped in with no worry.


You can see the mini-quick change in this pic with the fuel cell not yet installed.


Paul

Reeves1

Cool project ! Been watching all along as you go.

The crank/trans/diff is in line well ?

cossiepinto

Ok, here's what's up with the transmission tunnel modification so far.


The Quaife dogbox has an extra-thick top cover (about a half-inch) and the filler/breather stands up about another inch (not including the threads to screw it into the cover).


My first clue that I was out of room was when it was very difficult to bolt the transmission cross member in.


Of course, I ignored that clue.  Luckily, I had to remove the engine again to fit the headers.  This time, remembering how difficult the bolt-up was, I decided to remove the filler plug/breather and put in a temporary plug 'til I got the engine/transmission in.  That worked great!


When I crawled underneath to replace the temporary plug with the filler plug/breather, only then did I realize that I had no room!  I couldn't even get my fingers in there....


Hence the hole in the tunnel, etc, etc.


It's going to work out fine, though.  The plate on top can be removed by drilling out rivets, if necessary, and there will be a cap that I can open to fill the transmission, if need be.


Paul


cossiepinto

Here are some photos of the final fit for the headers.  They fit with about an inch of clearance at all critical points.  The pipe sent with them will fit also, but it'll need to be indexed just right to clear the bell housing.


I'm now working on placing an inspection plate on the transmission tunnel, so the breather/fill plug won't hit the underside of the tunnel. I found out the hard way (almost impossible to bolt up AND then the plug isn't removable with the transmission in place) that I needed some more room.  I'll send out some pics of that, too, when I get it all done.


It's been a little slow going this past couple of weeks:  out of town last weekend and this weekend is my bride's birthday, so no Pinto work then!


Paul

cossiepinto

Thanks for the good words, Starliner.



Cosworth offered this engine in kit form.  They also offered a mechanical valve train engine (YBG), but I wanted a lower-maintenance, more streetable engine, so I bought the YBB.


I like the sound of a naturally aspirated engine sucking air through Weber air horns.


I admit, however, that I didn't have the turbocharger mounting brackets machined off the head!


Paul

Starliner

Awesome project and I admire the workmanship.
That engine is going to sing a glorious sound at full song!

When I am in Hong Kong I always pick-up British car magazines.
I love the magazine "Fast Fords".   Every issue is full of Cossie goodness.   I think you can subscribe here in the states.
I love the British Escort Mexico's and Cortina's fitted with the Cosworth YB'T' engine.
I am curious why you did not go the YBT turbo route? 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usbg9DWnvsI&feature=related

I will continue to check in and watch your progress.   Keep us updated, the pictures are great!
 
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Pintosopher

Ahh..... I just get aroused looking at this thread! Rock On Paul! 8)
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

cossiepinto

OK, the headers fit now, with the slight mod to the frame.


I cut out a small notch in the frame for insurance after I removed all of the porch the battery tray used to sit on. 


That inner fender removal gives me all the room I need to work the headers into place.  Now I'll make a panel to re-close the area, but it will still be removable when I need to remove the headers for any reason.


I had to modify the passenger side motor mount slightly also, but that wasn't a big deal.


I did discover why I'd had so much trouble putting the transmission cross member back in place, though.  The extra thick aluminum cover on the Quaife transmission just barely touches the tunnel at the right rear corner.  Also, the little breather fitting sits up against the tunnel solidly, which was making it hard to get the cross member to bolt up.  I'll trim a spot out for those in the coming days.  It won't require removing the engine.  I'll just remove the cross member and let the engine tilt back and the transmission to drop a little.


Here are a couple of closeup pics of the pipes and the mod.


Paul








82expghost

at first glance, it looked like the 4x4 trans out of the euro escort
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92 grand marquis, daily

cossiepinto

Ranchero,

It's a Quaife-internals 4-speed Hummer, a.k.a. Rocket dogbox, with straight cut gears/no synchros.  2.04 low, close ratio, 1:1 top gear.  1st gear will feel like 2nd gear, but with a 4.11 or 4.86 (I'll try the 4.11 first), it should be fine.

fast64ranchero

Making progress, that's a good thing,  what tranny is that? type 9?
71 Pro-Street pinto 2.3T powered
72 Treasure Valley Special 26K miles pinto
72 old V-8 parts Pinto
73 pinto, the nice one...

cossiepinto

OK, here's the latest:


I cupped out a little area that aligns with the spot where the header gets closest to the frame.  I also removed the step that was once the battery tray area, and am replacing it with a removable piece that allows me to fit the headers in over the studs.  It requires a lot more room than I thought it would, but now I can fit the headers and trim the piece to fit nicely underneath.


Also, with the engine out I went ahead and fitted the headers so I could check for clearance around the bell housing and all is well there.


Here are a couple of hastily shot pics.  Engine goes back in this week/next weekend.


Paul

fast64ranchero

If it was easy everyone would do it!  Your going to end up with a one of a kind setup!!!!
71 Pro-Street pinto 2.3T powered
72 Treasure Valley Special 26K miles pinto
72 old V-8 parts Pinto
73 pinto, the nice one...

cossiepinto

Well, the headers are here and they're going to need a little work to fit.  I've already started measuring, cutting, and measuring again.  Now they bolt up to the engine, but I still need to put a little notch in the frame so they won't bump and rattle.  The inner fender step where the battery tray was is gone now.  I'll have to flatten it some and relieve the area around the header flange a little also.  This means the engine is coming out tomorrow so I can get to all the area I must cut and weld.  I worried that this might be the case and I've been prepared for it while still hoping nothing would need to be done.


If I'm lucky this won't take more than a long weekend to do.  Pics as soon as everything's presentable again.


Paul

johnbigman2011

Great craft manship there. I'm borrowing ideas as you go along for sure.
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

cossiepinto

Quiet weekend.  Still waiting for the headers from England. But I did get into the brakes a little.  Installed the master cylinders and a little plumbing.


Kinda wish my hands were on backwards a couple of times!

Srt

Quote from: Scott Hamilton on March 13, 2012, 09:03:35 AM
Nice Pipes?- I have heard THAT in different circles...

Ohh, come on- I'm sure you have too.  ::)

oh we all have...at one time or another...but these are like header porn!!!!!!!!!
http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19990.0;attach=39534
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

johnbigman2011

Iread somewhere that the frame for the two cars are pretty much the same..( I may be wrong) Hopefully you wont have too much troubles.   
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper