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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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johnbigman2011

Sitting in the garage with the radio on leaning back in the 72. Sipping on a six pack for sure!!! 8)

Trust me I get my fill while I'm home ;D
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

Alpine615

My apologies, John...but from what I gather from the shout box, you will be home shortly?? I'm sure you will enjoy one or two while you're back  ;)
1980 Runabout

johnbigman2011

Easy with the keg talk.. I haven't had a beer in 49 days >:(
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

Alpine615

Haha that's classic. Kinda like how my fraternity replaced the word "kegger" with the word "Sally" in our minutes so Nationals wouldn't suspect anything...


Didn't make much sense, but for those in the know, it did.  ;D
1980 Runabout

johnbigman2011

What's wrong with that word?? I has to get fuel and atmospheric pressure from somewhere..

Wow did I just write that??

Or maybe draw thru????
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

racer99

It was S-U-C-K thru as stated.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: Alpine615 on December 11, 2012, 05:50:10 PM
What does zoop thru mean?

I assume it was S-U-C-K but the site software thinks that's a dirty word for some effin' reason  :o
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'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Alpine615

1980 Runabout

racer99

EV= Extreme Velocity blow thru hat for carb
EVO8 ic= Mitsibishi Evo 8 intercooler (air to air)



John ,found a set of ARP 2.0 rod bolts (new in box).

johnbigman2011

Racer99, you'll have to explain those acronyms... I'm new to this turbo stuff for sure.
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

racer99

Selling off some parts to go blow thru instead
or draw thru.
Got an EV hat for 100.00 and picked up a
nice Evo8 ic.

johnbigman2011

Great, I'll send you a PM with my details. Should be between 16th and the 30th of October.

Looking forward to it.
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

racer99

Sure,its in the same shop as your parts are.

johnbigman2011

Chris, let us hear how she runs out. You still going to let me come by and check it out?
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

racer99

8.8 rear check
3.73 gears check
Leaf spring pads,plates,ubolts check,

Cut off all brackets from Fox body rearend
weld spring pads, still a go for the weekend.

racer99

Desmogged the car,runs ok but it is still slow.
Have to fix an exhaust leak and it will be good to go
n/a while the parts are getting fabbed up.

I would like a na header but for only a month I cant justify it.

Got some 3 in exhaust and a 3 in V band setup to do the
turbo exhaust with.

racer99

Turns out the wagon is a California emmissions car so it is getting stripped of all
emmission stuff.
Anyone want a feedback carb,ecu,solenoids,vacuum solenoid valve and associated
stuff? Most of the vacuum lines are gone though.

johnbigman2011

Well that's cheap enough.. I'm looking for another one ( car ) here shortly after I get the yeller feller going. Hate to see a good 2.3 sitting and wasting away. If you have I a successful build I'm interested in fallowing yours for ideas. Always wanted a turbo.
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

racer99

Welds 15x3.5 on the front,10 holes with 295/50/15s on the rear.

Still waiting on the turbo/carb adapter and
the intake/turbo adapter.

Found the wagon on CL for 500.00.

No rust,needs slight bodywork nothing major.

2.3/manual/no ps,no ac,no pb,no roof rack,just
basic transportation.Runs like a 3 legged dog on crack,
that might be because of the 47 vacuum leaks it has.

Will post pics later.

racer99

Moving this over from the 80 Hatch to the 79 wagon.
Might keep the 5 speed as the wagon is a manual.
The 8.8 is almost ready to go under the wagon and
I will put the 10 holes on it this weekend.

mrskydog

Quote from: RSM on January 23, 2012, 09:04:09 PM
Hey turbopinto72...there is a company called Pro Systems Racing. Don't know if you have heard of them or not but they build carbs...and damn nice ones. I had one built for my 347 and it was spot on. They take all the info and build a carb to match what you have. My carb was about $700 and was a 4150 dbl pumper 730cfm. They could build a carb for what you have that will do the trick. http://www.prosystemsracing.com/index1.html
Pro Systems Racing is the Ticket...they are located here in Muskegon MI. and FL . I have worked with and know the support man there  Brad Hosmer. He worked at our Ford Dealership here in Muskegon for years as a Tech. Yes they will build to spec's of your build up- thay are turn key, but$$ . They do Big name Drag Racing and Track. ....
"Living the Dream...Driving Old Fords"
1965 Mustang 2+2 Fastback
1980 Pinto Rallye 32,000 Org.
1972 Maverick Grabber V-8 car
2005 Mustang

racer99

Not a daily as such but a weekend cruiser and car show night toy.


82expghost

Thats awsome, i like where this is going, please tell me this is your idea of a daily driver, then i wont feel alone
98 taurtus, now in heaven
82 exp, the race car, cancer took it away
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92 grand marquis, daily

racer99

Got all the interior out and the floorboards are almost perfect.
Seriously thinking of going ahead and putting at least an 8 point
In it now as opposed to later.Pulling the dash out and stripping all
Of the stuff behind it is next.

thecustommuffler

32-36 lbs? Damn! That should net on a stock motor somewhere (I`m guessing) around 340 hp. With the original 13`s, that would be a tire frier. The only thing that scares me on a build like that would be remembering the laughable SVO. Now granted, turbo technology has come along way since but popping the hood of a SVO `stang and the sound it made wasn`t Americana. But it sure would be alot less work over the big block and back half. If this car wasn`t so "there", I wouldn`t think twice about the saw-z-all.

racer99

275-325 to start.
Got a 75 shot to get it
up on the convertor.
Meth inj over 15 lbs.

johnbigman2011

Racer, how much Hp are you looking to make???
1972 Trunk Model..... Yeller Feller
1979 Wagon Turbo.... 85 2.3 Turbo
1923 T- Bucket ...... 2.0 Pinto Powered
F 250 Redneck Lincoln .... Pinto Picker upper

racer99

No problem.A guy in Fla has gone 32-36 lbs on a stock
2.3T and been 11.30s I believe.
Stock as far as head,crank,rods,pistons.
And I believe he said it had a factory E6 exhaust
manifold.I am sure the headgasket and probably some other
stuff had been done to it.
A good tune and C16 or other race gas would be essential
to it staying together.

I have a 780 vacuum secondary Holley and I am sure there will
be some issues to work out as far as the fuel goes but we will
see what happens.Waiting on the crab to turbo adapter and getting the
sheetmetal adapter for the intake .   

thecustommuffler

Very interesting build. I`m still on the fence about taking this totally complete `78 and cutting it up to back half and put my 572 in. I would love to see your progress on this turbo setup. I also would like to see where you end up with carb choice. Looking at the only mount option, puddling is going to be the biggest concern. I know no one really likes them but a "quadra bog" carb would be a great choice for atomization imo. On the skinny, what can these stock motors take as far as boost and power? And I meen stock, maybe a cam change.
Sorry for the hi-jack. Un-intended, just waying options and satisfying curiosity. ;)

racer99

Picked up a decent 3310-2(780 cfm) Holley for
100.00,a Holley black pump,regulator and a
MagnaFuel regulator for 125.00.The Magnafuel is
boost referenced for 1 to 1 if I want to go blowthru.
It was a deal so I got it at the same time.
The carb mount is coming from the VW community
and I will post pics soon.
Got the Esslinger intake from a member here and will make
an adapter to go from the 2 bblFord/Holley pattern to a 2.5
tube for the turbo outlet to connect to.
For the turbo mount I am thinking of using the Stinger center mount with a T3 to T4 adapter
which will mount the turbo up about 2.5 inches higher than normal.Its a Precision 64mm
turbo with a 2.5 outlet that will mate to a 2.5 tube over the v/c to the sheet metal intake adapter.