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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dga57

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

78_starsky

red is the colour of the day...

what a long day.  it was 2 base and 2 clears...   now we need to wet sand this down and lay out the starsky stripe ...   (i know... easier said than done)  lol

we have painted the grill red also.

78_starsky

Finally after 3 long years this car is not looking so beat up...LOL  primed grey and the pics are still wet before a good wet sanding....  All I can say is thank god it isn't a Cadillac ...  wet sanding a car is hell on the wrists (at least a pinto is small).

In the morning we will tape it off again and lay 2 red base coats down. then let her sit all day and dry in the heat of the room that it is sitting in.  hopefully be able to retape for saturday's first 2 coats of clear. and this starts the process of laying clear then wet sanding then taping, repeat rinse ect. ....  ....



78_starsky

We have been working on the car all this week to prep for paint, hopefully today this ol gal will be primed grey.  just need to wash off all the dust and start the taping process.

78_starsky

Things are ticking along.  Have all the ignition set up, redone most of all the wire looms, wiring, hoses.  Now working on setting up the electric fuel pump, (making a place and running the tubes/pipe) placing into the wiring an inertia switch out of a ford ranger just in case to kill the power in an emergency.
Angie and I are booking no work for the first week of July so we can paint the car!!!! finally!!!!

the Motor section work is 95% done now.  just exhaust and fuel to work on now!


78_starsky

Completely ignore all my chatter about the water sending unit probs... 2 years is a long time to let a project sit.  I was looking through a box today and found a set of adapters for the water casing.  at least that is one thing that I don't have to worry about now. And I was tired last night when I was putting it together so add the 2 together and bingo brain fart.

LOL

78_starsky

ARRRRGGG   i wrote half a book and went to post a pic and it said it was too large, hit the back button and all the text was gone..... note to self... write in notepad and copy paste.....  ok second shot coming up..... (won't be as good as the last one)


hey wayne,  take a hour a day to polish the cars and after a couple weeks find a car show to go to. We all need a couple hours to enjoy every once in a while :)     

For me it was more finding excuses of why not to work on the car. however now i can feel the need to push to that finish line 2 year break is long enough.... only so many weeds a guy can pull in a garden anyway.

this is what the motor looks like tonight... it is one step forward a 2 back.... figured out the hoses now it is the sending unit for the gauges that are giving me pains... there is an adapter one that needs to go into the water passage first. and all the threads that are on the water neck are all the same size and too small for the adapter, so looks like I have to pull it apart and take it into work and get some help from a machinist and re-tap it bigger... nothing is ever easy.  (see pic(s)) (IEQUUS gauges in case anyone was interested or has the same idea of putting them in) somehow I am sure that I am not the first person to encounter this problem so if anyone has any insight and how you fixed it please let me know.

Second thing to conquer is the MSD ignition.  ( i will ask this in help also)  but what wires get hooked up to the modual (besides the obvious ones) I am talking from the wire harness in the car.  And what is this silver coloured box with these 4 wires? do I use these for the ignition?  I wish that I had set this part up 2 years back because I could have swore that I had it all figured out... LOL

thanks

dga57

Quote from: 78_starsky on May 19, 2012, 11:37:55 AM
How have things been with you?  keeping the shiny side up?

casey


I'm okay, but just can't find the time to do anything with any of my cars.  I ended up moving my handicapped (spina bifida) sister in with us once my mother was no longer able to continue as her caregiver due to Alzheimer's.  Mom is here too.  That's on top of my wife being disabled from the stroke she had five years ago.  I have my hands full trying to help all of them be the best they can be, and that doesn't leave much time for me and my toys.  Not complaining... just stating facts.  It's been nearly three years since the Pinto or either of my old Lincolns have been driven.  That's just pitiful!  I guess I'll get back to them someday maybe.  Don't forget to keep us updated on any progress you and Angie make with your Pinto... that has, so far, been one awesome project!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

78_starsky

Hi Dwayne,    thanks for the welcome back,  (hi again)  this time will be here for longer... lol.  that poor car, every time I go into the room in the barn where she is sitting on blocks I want to spend 2-3 hours working on it, however, the reason I am in that room is to get a wrench or something for some other project.

over the last while I have placed in the steering wheel, set in the motor, got all the dual exhaust ready to weld and bend into place. Purchased a small electric fuel pump (made a plate for the block to cover the block hole) Placed in the rad, had to make a spacer for the carb to lift it for the throttle throw. Placing in a different 2 barrel so had to fab up something for I couldn't buy anything that would fit.

over the last 2 years we have still acquired a few new things for the car. Angie didn't think we should place in that old wooden steering wheel so I found a ralley style wheel that was for sale from a capri, so the car has a black wheel now.  Angie has cover the console with that same nice red vinyl that is on the dash.

Last year at work I was able to bring home a non used self recovering sand blasting cabinet that I was able to get working with my compressor to blast the pieces that would fit in the doors. (IE. air filter holder, head light holders...)

Last year was able to get a 77 like ours for a parts car, all glass is in great shape with 2 sets of the side glass and perfect pop out top and back glass.
Just a mile from us we found another guy who is doing a V8 conversion (302) in an early 70's car.  His car was an original granny owner with low miles in real nice shape.  He is a real gear head, he was showing me how he had recut the front end and welded it back to make the handling better with the weight displacement for the motor to make her safer in driving. Also he has taken an explorer rear end to beef up the pinto's, shortened it and then bolted it in.  I forgot to ask him if he knows about this site. Will have to ask next time I stop in and chat him.

How have things been with you?  keeping the shiny side up?

casey

dga57

Welcome back!  It's hard to believe it has been nearly two years since you last posted!  Glad to know that you and Angie still have plans to finish your Pinto project... you two were cranking out some first-rate work, there!  I've missed your updates.

I am a moderator on this forum and I see no reason not to revive the thread and continue it "as is"... it is the same project being done by the same two people.  In fact, as far as I'm concerned, the gap will serve to remind others that these projects DO take time.  If any of the other mods disagree, I'm sure they'll let me know, but I truly don't see a problem with it. 

Once again, welcome back!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

78_starsky

WOW it's been so long that I had to reset the password.....  LOL


Last couple years saw small progress on this car (project) however, this will be the summer that we will be driving it (crossing fingers) .... (gardens, animals, work, and other projects) seem to have ways of making distractions.

the car is now sitting with the engine in her, rebuilt, and redid the rocker springs with the floating ones. Had to make a new riser for the carb out of a 1 inch block of aluminum. She is sitting and waiting for the rest of the time consuming things... which brings me to the new question....

When I took the engine out (many moons ago) all the little hoses were gone and now I have no idea where/what the water outlets attach to. (thermostat housing) etc.  Any people with the stock placement of the water lines on a 2.8 that can take a pic or 2 of what all the hoses are for would be extremely helpful.

I know on other posts we (Angie and I) talked about custom dash pads. We still want to do them (however) it is a time thing with us. We hope to have something going this fall/winter when we get house bound with the cold. We moved onto a farm a couple years back and now time chores seem to press time sideways.


here are a couple pics.    thanks for reading again, wasn't sure if to make a new thread or keep this one.  I will let mods decide.  thanks


http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/enginein.jpg

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/spacerrockers.jpg

dga57

Quote from: 78_starsky on August 29, 2010, 10:46:18 AM
Hey all,  I know that we seemed to have dropped out of sight for the last while.... we are still alive and kicking,  had to place all projects on hold for the last month (and then some).  We have been busy with work and also doing a major move, so time for fun, projects and the internet has been slowed to a crawl.  We are on the final leg of the move and this week will be the start of the new house/shop.  Packing up a shop, garage, and 3 bedroom house has been a nightmare.

cheers guys.

I'd been wondering where you were and what was going on.  Glad to know all is well.  It has been nearly thirteen years since the last time I moved, but I know all too well what a nightmare it can be!  Tell Angie we said, "hi!"  We'll look forward to updates on your Pinto project once you get rolling again!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

78_starsky

Hey all,  I know that we seemed to have dropped out of sight for the last while.... we are still alive and kicking,  had to place all projects on hold for the last month (and then some).  We have been busy with work and also doing a major move, so time for fun, projects and the internet has been slowed to a crawl.  We are on the final leg of the move and this week will be the start of the new house/shop.  Packing up a shop, garage, and 3 bedroom house has been a nightmare.

cheers guys.

dga57

Quote from: 78_starsky on July 12, 2010, 11:14:41 AM
thanks dwayne, yes it will look nice when the fit is corrected.

Here is the hood on and up,  placed it on for now to do the top body work on it.  (it will be coming off again when the motor goes in)  Safe keeping now on the car.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/hoodup.jpg

Seems like the logical place to keep it!!!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

78_starsky

thanks dwayne, yes it will look nice when the fit is corrected.

Here is the hood on and up,  placed it on for now to do the top body work on it.  (it will be coming off again when the motor goes in)  Safe keeping now on the car.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/hoodup.jpg

dga57

I love the concept!  Once the fit is right, that's going to be totally awesome!

Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

78_starsky

Here is the back area pretty much what it will look like.  Angie isn't happy with this cover and being her first prototype in this it is a bit off on sizes.  We guessed on it from not having a proper logo/decal pattern to use. This is what the finished back area will look like.

Today all the wiring was finished for the amp (I dislike soldering wires, takes too much patients) and somehow you need 3 hands.....  placed in the back seat rest part.  Amazing how fast 9 hours goes by working on a car.  hoping that the rugs can be layed and cut into shape this weekend.

here is todays work. (the plexi isn't on yet, that will be one of the last things to be placed over the hole)

cheers

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/gettingthere.jpg

78_starsky

Her talents are good on sewing,  I get the idea, we toss it around, I build, and she finishes/holds things while we put them together.  She is very talented.  this car is 100% a labour of love... LOL  I think you guys understand.  :)

this went together way better than I was expecting it to look. (will be nice when the plexi cover is off and you get to see what will be under it). thanks for the compliments, I will pass them on to her in the AM.  cheers.

dga57

I've always preferred keeping cars bone stock, but Angie's creativity is starting to win me over!  Wow!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dave1987

Looks great! Angie does a FINE job with what she is doing here! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

78_starsky

The loss of hearing as we get older... and how the youn'ens just think... awww not going to happen to me....  oh how they will learn.


Angie was at her sewing machine doing other work last couple days and in her "spare" time she alternated on working on pinto stuff.  here are a couple pics of the back speaker arrangement and how the amp is secured.  the first pic is dark for some strange reason....

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/backspeakersmounted.jpg

amp (underneath)

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/ampmounting.jpg

She was also able to get the back seat rug sewn up and we placed it onto the back of the seat tonight.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/newbackseat.jpg


we have decided that it is a waste to let all things on the interior wait, so we are going to continue bouncing around doing things on the car.  If the interior/rugs/seats and all in we decided to place some heavy painters tarps over the whole inside to keep it clean. 

cheers  :)

71pintoracer

Just a side note: it's not only loud music you need to be careful of, after working in a shop for the last 30 years (dang I'm old) with air guns, blow guns and a whole array of other loud noises day in and day out, driving race cars with no exhaust, AND my share of music turned up too loud, I have constant ringing and hearing loss. Nowadays I always wear hearing protection (and keep the volume turned down) but it's too little too late.  :(
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

78_starsky

well except for placing in the radio, the interior is as done as she is going to be. Now it is all body and motor work to do. We don't want to place in the new carpets till the body is painted, this way the carpets will stay fresh with no dust on them. The door skins can't be finished till the doors are painted, the seats of course can' return till the carpets are done... and the list continues.... LOL all waits now for the body. So untill we can get going on the rest (motor and body) things will be slower.  here are a couple of pics that show up to date.  the wiring is completed, and all the rest has been cleaned up.

I have a good weeks worth of work to do to the motor before assembly, porting and polishing, gasket matching, deburring, prepping the block and heads.  then it will be onto the fun stuff.  :)

waiting for the carpets.....

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/interiorready4carpets.jpg

dash

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/dashwaitingforradio.jpg

78_starsky

Not knowing any better for this is the first time I have had the oportunity to install a steering column, after trying to get this to work first time around by installing it backwards.  Today she went together proper.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/steeringcolumn.jpg

78_starsky

I just love it when you can pull up to a car and the bass is so loud next to you that you want to walk over to them ans let them know that the car they are driving will be worth 100 bucks in a year because all that bass loosens bolts over time and they are now worthless.....



here is the latest updates.  back seat out, cleaned, painted. (still have to attatch the new red carpet over this.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/backseat.jpg

I have been keeping busy with that time consuming stuff of wires, and all those little things that you can't really get pictures of.... Angie has been making the car look new again while I have been busy with small things....

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/looksnew.jpg

Before we left tonight we decided it was time to place on the name tag.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/ru_ready_4_r_n_r/wildmountainhoney.jpg

peleus21

I used to do stereo competition as well, crank up the tunes. fortunately i was smart enough to pack ear plugs to show off my car as it hit 146 with just one sub. i do plan on making my cruzin wagon pound for the odd competition in between the car shows. placing a larger inline fuse is definitely a wise decision stereo installation says it must be less then 12 inches from the battery so it will fully protect the wiring. just my few cents

p.s.  i have no ringing.  i do cherish my hearing too and am a big fan of all music but beleive it should be heard like the artist meant it to sound like.

popbumper

Boy, I hate to be the party pooper/old man, but when these people hit 50, they may be hearing something they don't want to - forever. It's nothing that can be treated, it's a permanent neurological condition. Believe you me, you don't want it. Every time I see one of these (people) drive by booming, I usually say "enjoy it while you have it".

Your attitude is golden, if you see it as a gift NOW, you can save it for later. Having had been a musician all my life, it stopped me dead in my tracks - and I SORELY miss it. I was warned in my youth and ignored it. January 28th 2007 was the start of it, and it's never stopped. You tend to remember the dates of unpleasant things.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dave1987

I've heard about people getting the ringing in their ears from loud music in their youthful days. I've been a bit scared of that, the gift of hearing is a great one! I turn it up loud on occasion, but that's rare. Friends see my system and call it a waste because I don't "boom" (as they call it) the stereo while driving.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

popbumper

Enjoying this thread and you guys talking about audio. I am an old-school audio fan, in fact my fanaticism back in the day now contributes daily to the continuous 24 hour a day ringing in my left ear. Ah, youth......

At any rate, I used to have a company car (Dodge minivan of all things) back in the 80's. Since I was on the road alot I built myself a custom oak veneered/carpeted box with three 10" Pyle woofers (two ported, one sealed), and a hinged door that held two Rockford Punch 45's and an OEQ-1 equalizer. The front speakers were a mix of RF tweeters and a midrange I don't recall, and I had a Sony removeable head cassette unit.

The system kicked nicely, the sound was absolutely clean. Never entered any competitions but really had fun with it. Of course, doing my wagon now I envision bringing this equipment back into use (still have it), though the cassette would be replaced with a CD player, and the speakers would be changed. Don't know if the ears can handle it though.... :nocool:.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Srt

no fancy sound systems for me at this stage of life but Jazz & Classical sure do make for some good listening after (and during)a 'rough' day at work!
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!