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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Project "Merc-Runa-faux"

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Pintopower

So, the 'Cat looks better...since the faded and cracked leftover wood is gone... still looks like s$&@ but whatcha gonna go? Step by step...


I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Pintopower

Well that is just great to hear! I wonder where some of these cars go!

I degreased and cleaned Bo today. The engine bay turned out rather nice. I pulled the condensor to get it checked/repaired/replaced and scrubbed behind all of that also. Then I taped the doors shut and drove him to my paint shop to get stripped and prepped for paint.

Nice and clean:





Next photos should be looking good!
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

phils toys

i picked it up on ebay about 5 yrs ago.  about 70 miles from me in ohio.
cookie boy sent me a pic of one on craigslist very similar a couple weeks ago.
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

Pintopower

phils toys,
You bought that Bobcat? I remember when that was for sale! RacerX and  I were in love with it!
I see the moldings now! Christine had those when I bought her in '96. They were just part of the body protection group when applied to the squire. You can see them here. They were factory and brown:

That was the day I bought that mess. God, ok that brings back bad memories. Lets look at this now:

Ah... Now I feel better. Any way, I do want to fly out to Carlisle but work has been bad (non-existant is more accurate) so I will be saving to drive the Pangra out there next year.

beegle55,
Not a problem!

blupinto,
I was talking about Phil coming out. I mean, how can we argue how adorable Fiat is. No question there! ;D
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

blupinto

Quote from: Pintopower on May 28, 2010, 01:00:52 AM
Becky,
Yes you are right, I didn't mean to destroy Bo's seff esteme bu when he is with his sisters and other brother, he just look pathetic.
Yes, there is a tiger on him in the first picture!
That is Fiat!

Lovepants72 bought and old Fiat dealer inventory a few years back and she came with it! She was found as a little kitten by the owners years ago and they fed her, fixed her and she stayed! She will NOT go in the house here. She hates it. She loved the barn with the cars so I need to double cover them! She prefers the Fiats over the Pintos, but hey, a warm hood is a warm hood. Pintony and her are very close.


Nice Phil, I saw that on Cookieboys site a while back. I still can't really see what you are talking about. I guess you better grab the fam and drive her out here so I can take a closer look! What you think about that Becky?

Beegle, anything to inspire! Glad I could help. Those wheels on Phils car came powder coated from Ford i think. Either way, that's that way to go. I had a set done recently.
Here is my CW with them on:


What do I think about what... that gorgeous tiger draped on your Fiat or Phil coming out to sunny California with the family? lol.  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

dholvrsn

Like the tabby and the Googie architecture!  :afro:
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beegle55

I'll have to check in on getting them powder coated, I think it looks really good and would be a good road to go down for restoration of the wheels instead of investing in a better set. Thanks for the info!

     -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

phils toys

2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

phils toys

lets try these pic  bark brown molding on brown is hard to see
http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z206/Philstoys/bobcat/?action=view&current=car12.jpg
this is better
http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z206/Philstoys/bobcat/?action=view&current=pas.jpg
here is a better shot of the wheel  it is a factory option  from what i can tell it started  in 78 on pintos and mustangs.  thank you for the complement   they do have some chips
if i had the time and money  i would love to grab the family and show you in person  a couple years a go pintony offered me a  nos set of the moldings  maybe he still has them
is he going to carlisle this year? if so i will see him there.  maybne you can catch a plane and come with him and see it in  person
now back to the progress  keep it up. phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

Pintopower

Becky,
Yes you are right, I didn't mean to destroy Bo's seff esteme but when he is with his sisters and other brother, he just looks pathetic.
Yes, there is a tiger on him in the first picture!
That is Fiat!

Lovepants72 and I bought an old Fiat dealer inventory a few years back and she came with it! She was found as a little kitten by the owners years ago and they fed her, fixed her and she stayed! She will NOT go in the house here. She hates it. She loves the barn with the cars so I need to double cover them! She prefers the Fiats over the Pintos, but hey, a warm hood is a warm hood. Pintony and her are very close.


Nice Phil, I saw that on Cookieboys site a while back. I still can't really see what you are talking about. I guess you better grab the fam and drive her out here so I can take a closer look! What you think about that Becky?

Beegle, anything to inspire! Glad I could help. Those wheels on Phils car came powder coated from Ford i think. Either way, that's that way to go. I had a set done recently.
Here is my CW with them on:
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

beegle55

And not to go astray from the original point of this posting...but I noticed Phils Toys that your Bobcat has white slotted mags. I have a set of factory mags that aren't in stellar condition and I don't know how to restore them, but painting never crossed my mind until I saw your mags. Were they painted or powder coated or what from the factory? My white '76 would look good with white mags with the black paint stripe and red centers... just thinking. Sorry!

      -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

beegle55

Great progress already! I'm getting some ideas and will use this as inspiration for beginning my resto on the '76 V6. Keep up the good work and good luck!

    -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

phils toys

2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

blupinto

BTW Alberto... in that first picture is that a tiger on your Bobcat!?  :lol:
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Alberto, whenever I look at your Bobcat Boy I don't want to vomit... he's so rare I could look at him for days...

I so want us to finagle a way to save the '76 Pinto Runabout Squire  in Dave 1987's neck of the woods! I would if I could! Damn money tree! It's still dormant... :-\
One can never have too many Pintos!

Pintopower

Well restoring all my other cars made it impossible to look at the Bobcat and not vomit. Therefore, I just dug in one day...
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

dave1987

Wow, nice job on the paint! I love watching projects like this take shape, makes me want to park the 78 and strip it down to nothing! lol
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Pintopower

I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

phils toys

i just noticed a differance  on the side of our cars   my wagon has a dark brown molding all the way on the side of the car about half way up. yours does not.
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

Pintopower

Well, another day and another mess that I sorted. I sanded, prepped and painted all the remaining interior metal on the Kitty. All done in SEM Light Buckskin and SEM primer with Bulldog adhesion promoter. It all came out amazing.

Before:



After:


Then I sorted the truck load of bright trim and chrome that a Bobcat has. Here is about 3% of it:


From there I moved on to what I know I didn't want to do, the floor boards.
Nice carpet:

Nice rust:

After I wire brushed it opened op a few dozen holes. Some one grab the welder! PINTONY!

The drivers side was infinitely better. 

The reason for this was that the rear passenger window was missing when I bought the car. I was told that about 20 years ago it was broken; and left that way. Nice.

Note to self, install matching back window that is in my collection of parts.


Then I moved onto the all glass conversion.
I got the parts from member on here. The install was pretty straight forward after I figured out what I was missing. I saw that there was a metal welded to the body that I never noticed. I just made one and I will weld it up tomorrow...where the hell is Pintony, he was just here... Hmm...
Here is the parts car with the metal part I made:

Mine is just a strip of steel that I need to tack weld on.



Next I need to drop off the chrome and aluminum, and then the Kitty is out for Paint and extensive body work.
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Pintopower

Phil, I also like the Dash area. It was easy for me to make it match since I resprayed the whole dash.

The pinto lights are temporary, I just want the kitties lights safe.

As for the vinyl, 3M makes 7 or 8 different styles. I will be going with the darkest, it look closest to the stock Merc style.
Alberto
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

phils toys

i like the tan on tan spedo cluster  i had though of doing that with mine insted of the  blue and black  i even painted one but the blue was not the right shade.  i see you put pinto lights on the back   hope fully it is just tempoary  what have you figured out about the  wood vynal ?
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

Pintopower

Well, I realized I never took pictures of the repainted and restored dash so here they are.



I stripped the car yesterday. I didn't know I could make it look worse. Guess I outdid myself. I will have him at the body shop in a couple days.






Here is my favorite:


All i can say is that in about a month, this thing will be beautiful. Until then, well, don't look directly at it.
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Pintopower

WOW cool! A little traction lock rear end! Nice! Mine has a tag on the back that when decoded says 3.18:1 TL, traction lock. Good ol'kitties!
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

phils toys

no just a 4 banger  i took it to a local shop  and had thenm service it a couple years ago  when they checked the rearend fluid it looked like "watery oil" so i ask them about it and he said it was a "posy" additive in it  he could tell by smell. then showed me by spinning the wheels.  but it is only a 6.75 rear end.
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

Pintopower

Interesting...Is yours a V6?
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

phils toys

the 3:18 traction lock must be a common thing for a bobcat as mine is the same.
phil
by the way great progress so far
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

Pintopower

I am a stickler for fluid flushes. When you own 12 running cars, they NEED to be kept that way. My secret: Get ALL fluids flushed every two years and sacrificial anodes in the cooling systems. Ok, manual transmissions and rear ends aren't really that important but everything else is.

So, the Bobcat went off to get his fluids flushed. When I replaced the brakes I flushed those myself so much like ALL of my cars, the fluid is clear as water (I like to point that out to people, I am kind of an butt).

The cooling system, on the other hand was a nice dark brown. The power steering looked like oil and the trans looked like maple syrup.

They needed to power flush the coolant three times to get it clean. I installed a new thermostat and stainless bolts. The car didn't seem to have a thermostat... for some reason... :-\

The trans got a full flush and filter change. It's a C4 too. I was glad to see that.

The jerky and chattery power steering is now smooth as silk. Nothing quite like brand new hydraulic fluid.

The 8" (with traction lock, how did that happen?) got a new front seal and a gear oil change.

I then reattached the brand new (and pretested, what you think new means it works?) heater core.

The car got a new 7  lbs Rad Cap sacrificial anode radiator cap (just like the rest of the herd). I run 7 pounders with over flow tanks. No reason to over stress the cooling system and so long as your car stays under 220 you will be fine. If not, then you have another problem.

http://www.stang-aholics.com/ShowItem/105598%20%22Rad%20cap%22%20w/sacrificial%20anode.aspx

I went to pick it up with RacerX and it turned out he had never driven a V6 before. And, now, here is the funny thing. I own two other V6 Pintos and I must say, this Bobcat is really fast! Romp on it and it will spin the tires. I don't know what it's deal is. It's a 3:18 car too. Who knows. Maybe its all those years of no maintenance and Pennzoil.

Here was the only shot I was able to get whilst RacerX blasted away from my sisters Nissan 720. 



Next is the glass-back conversion and then prep for the paint shop this week!

What have we learned? Flush your fluids often! Brakes and coolant are crucial! A clean and non corrosive coolant system will save you thousands in time and money! A clean and water free brake system is safe and saves money!
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

blupinto

Phil, you dirty ol' man! :lol: :lol: :lol:
One can never have too many Pintos!

phils toys

my parts  bobcat is a 76 hatch  blue 
my wagon is a male after all it is a woody
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede