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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Things That Make You Go Hmmmm....

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blupinto

One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

Quote from: blupinto on April 16, 2010, 12:31:00 AM
TIM!!! That's NOT what she said! lol!

Dwayne, in that '71 book it does show two different dipstick illustrations. I'll take a picture of mine and post it... you run to your Mom's and see if they're not similar. Oh, and while you're there, take some pictures of your Pinto's interior and get her numbers from her door please! Not just VIN but the color, trim, etc. codes. Thank you!

I have the same book upstairs... just too damned lazy to walk upstairs and look at it!  The interior of my Pinto is filled with parts and, otherwise, is unworthy of being photographed at the moment.  I'll be glad to get the numbers off the door, though.  Mine is the base interior, which would be different from your upscale deluxe interior.

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

TIM!!! That's NOT what she said! lol!

Dwayne, in that '71 book it does show two different dipstick illustrations. I'll take a picture of mine and post it... you run to your Mom's and see if they're not similar. Oh, and while you're there, take some pictures of your Pinto's interior and get her numbers from her door please! Not just VIN but the color, trim, etc. codes. Thank you!
One can never have too many Pintos!

Bigtimmay

Rubys just telling you how she wants a new and improved engine under her hood  :P LOL
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

dga57

Quote from: blupinto on April 15, 2010, 11:55:33 PM
Well, I don't know... the dipstick looks very different from my other pintos' 'sticks. According to the Pinto DIY manusal (from the factory) the dipstick lettering is the same (safe and add instead of min-max).

I don't know either, Becky... but I thought it might be worth mentioning.
The length of the dipstick would be the issue.  My book is upstairs... does it show different ones for the 1600 and 2000 engines?

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

Well, I don't know... the dipstick looks very different from my other pintos' 'sticks. According to the Pinto DIY manusal (from the factory) the dipstick lettering is the same (safe and add instead of min-max).
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

Quote from: blupinto on April 15, 2010, 11:40:59 PM

UPDATE: I haven't seen a cloud behind Ruby for about a week. Another thing I noticed is yesterday the Engine light was on only at starting... it went right off like it should! YAY! The heater fan works again too! I'm thinking maybe Ruby sat for too long and things got stuck. I did tell you all that the pcv valve still rattled... now she has a new air filter as well as the crankcase breather element. She does rattle when she is turning over though... Hmmmm....

Well... at least it sounds like you're headed in the right direction!  Just a thought... are you sure Ruby has the correct dipstick?  The reason I ask is: back in 1978 or '79 I sold a brand new Mercury Zephyr wagon to a guy and in no time he was complaining about the oil consumption.  It was "using" about a quart a week and smoking in the process.  The service department worked on it several times and couldn't find anything wrong and even the factory service rep looked into it and didn't come up with anything.  Finally checked the dipstick and found it to be a different length from others with the same engine.  In essence, what was happening was that in order to bring it up to the full mark, it had about a quart too much oil.  As it burned off, it smoked.  Once it was down to the proper level the smoking stopped, but the dipstick showed that the oil level was low!  Came from the factory that way!  Would have never occurred to me if I hadn't been around when it happened!

Dwayne :smile:

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

Quote from: blupinto on March 29, 2010, 09:44:58 PM
I'm noticing that Ruby doesn't always smoke at acceleration... at least not too bad. Other times there's an oil cloud behind us.  :-\

Something else that makes me go hmmm... Every time I start Ruby- regardless whether her front end points up or down at an angle (as on a slanted driveway) - her ENGINE light comes on and stays on for about 5 minutes. I have checked her oil level (of course oil and filter was changed) and coolant. Could the culprit be the dirty air filter? Where can I find one for a 1600?


UPDATE: I haven't seen a cloud behind Ruby for about a week. Another thing I noticed is yesterday the Engine light was on only at starting... it went right off like it should! YAY! The heater fan works again too! I'm thinking maybe Ruby sat for too long and things got stuck. I did tell you all that the pcv valve still rattled... now she has a new air filter as well as the crankcase breather element. She does rattle when she is turning over though... Hmmmm....
One can never have too many Pintos!

Bigtimmay

http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=25&catid=7&loc=show
Thats the lucas heavy duty stablizer i always use it will make your a oil a little thicker and keep everything lubed better and softens the velve seals back up and makes them seal better.

Most parts stores keep it in stock read the instruction on it and put in how much it says per how many quarts of oil your car holds. Just call a few parts stores and ask if they have lucas heavy duty oil stabilizer in stock.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

dave1987

Yeah there's a few out there. For the drainage problem get an engine cleaner/deposit remover. I had to use that stuff in my 07 saturn when I got it back from my ex-fiance.

For the valve seals, use a stop smoke one.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

...enter Lucas Oil Additive...right?  :D
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

There are holes that run through the head and motor that serve as drains for the oil. So as the oil pump pushes oil up to the valve train area in the head (cam shaft, springs, rockers, lifters, etc...) it has to drain back into the oil pan to repeat the process.

Sometimes, especially in our old cars, these drains get sludge build up from all of the wear that happens in the engine. This sludge is hard to clean off via the natural process of oil drainage, and eventually the oil drains back into the pan slower and slower.

If this is the case, oil might be pooling under the valve cover so much to the point that the seals around your valve stems (shafts that lead into your combustion chamber, or cylinders) leak the oil into the engine, onto the pistons and cylinder walls. When a combustion cycle is processed, the fuel is ignited along with any other combustible substance in the cylinder (including oil) is ignited (burnt) and then released through the exhaust valves and out the tailpipe.

Therefore, the smoke you see come out the exhaust pipe is the end result of the pooled oil under the valve cover draining into the combustion chamber, being burnt and discoloring the exhaust and into the air.


One way you might be able to PARTIALLY eliminate this possibility is by running an engine cleaner with your oil to clear out the oil drainage holes.

Once you are sure your drainage passages are clear, and if you still have smoking problems, try adding an oil treatment /additive that will help aid in leaky valve seals and temporarily "fix" the problem.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Ahhh...ok someone PLEASE decipher that last post! I am SOOO dumb! lol.  :-\
One can never have too many Pintos!

emptynestersx2

Ive seen oil returns get alittle pluged and that lets to much oil sit on top of the head.If the seals leak at all then she'll smoke on you. Just one idea!

blupinto

I'll try Car Quest on Monday. I just want to be able to have supplies for a later date. Napa will have the filter next Friday, but Ruby's filter now is terrible! :P
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on April 03, 2010, 09:22:37 PM
Yah Kimmy, I ordered my filter through them... but I have another week to wait tikl they can get it and then I can get it. I don't know why it takes them 2 weeks to get something like that. If I wanted it overnighted the filter would've cost me $15+.  :P

LOL, because it is probably coming from the main wharehouse here in Sac! LOL
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Yah Kimmy, I ordered my filter through them... but I have another week to wait tikl they can get it and then I can get it. I don't know why it takes them 2 weeks to get something like that. If I wanted it overnighted the filter would've cost me $15+.  :P
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

First of all, here is a link to your air filter!!  http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Detail.aspx?A=FIL2072_0195105822&An=599001+101971+50026+2026028

Second, I went out and looked at my car and took some pics!! I have no extra tube in my filter either!

Here it is with everything together.



One with lid off! It is actually off the carb a tad in the pic!



Now, back to the link above, do you have a Napa close to you? I don't know what shipping is but you could probably buy it online. If not and you can't find one before Knots, let me know and I will go to my Napa and get one for you!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

OK here's an observation (not to change the subject) that I made today (aren't new discoveries on old cars great?)...

I have noticed the windows on Ruby are kind of dark... well today, with some investigative need-to-know curiosity I found that Ruby, while not having factory a/c, does indeed have Sun-X glass. How rare is that on a '71 sedan?
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Just say it Dwayne... NEENER NEENER NEEEE-NER! lol!
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

Becky (and Jimmy),

I suppose it's a moot point since you removed the hose, but I looked at mine today and there is nothing like that in there!  I WAS pleased, however to find a brand new air filter... presumably installed just before I drove it home from Maryland.  Just thought I'd let you know!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

Thank goodness it's so simple! lol.

OK today I pulled off the air ciuu for your imput.leaner top and pulled that tubing thing off. It appears there's a rubber hose glued into where the PCV should've gone, and the PCV is at the end of that hose. For the record it does rattle. lol. Also, you can see how filthy the air cleaner filter and the breather element (?) filter are! Why can't I find the $#%^&* filter!?! lol. I'll consult my DIY manual on carb adjustment. Thank you for your imput guys! ;D

I'll be using this thread for other Things That Make Me Go Hmmm.... at least until Ruby gets her own Your Projects thread! lol.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: pintoguy76 on April 03, 2010, 02:51:26 AM
My guess would be that it is dumping raw fuel down the intake and washing the oil off the cylinder walls and then burning it. The oil (blueish grey colored smoke) is lightening the black smoke (fuel) up into a brown color. The reason it started when you changed the oil and fuel filter is because the fuel filter was restricting the fuel flow.

Thats my guess :)


That is what my hubby thinks is wrong with Bella (my Squire)! I just didn't know how to say it like you did! LOL I sure hope that is the case for Bella and Ruby, like Becky said, we can fix that! Well we can fix something more major too, but not as easy!! :D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

71pintoracer

 yea, if it was restricted enough it would have been starving for fuel, you may just need to adjust the carb. The reason it diesels is because it is idleing to fast. Get out the screwdriver Becky!!  :) :fastcar:
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

dave1987

If it is what pintoguy76 is saying , you will need new rings. Might as well bore the motor out while you are in there and put bigger pistons in to. Would be a great time to restore that 1.6 to new!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Ok... how can I fix that? Or does it mean engine overhaul time? It's also wortyh mentioning  that the car diesels when I shut her off sometimes... diesels for a while too! lol. :-\
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintoguy76

My guess would be that it is dumping raw fuel down the intake and washing the oil off the cylinder walls and then burning it. The oil (blueish grey colored smoke) is lightening the black smoke (fuel) up into a brown color. The reason it started when you changed the oil and fuel filter is because the fuel filter was restricting the fuel flow.

Thats my guess :)
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blupinto

Cool! Thank you Kyle! I'll try that... but what's up with that piece of hose, I wonder...?
One can never have too many Pintos!

wingman72

When you find the PCV valve pull it out and shake it, it should rattle. If it doesn't that's probably the culprit.  If it is clogged up and not letting the crankcase pressure vent out it will find other paths of least resistance, ie-worn rings, valve guides- causing the smoking.  Sometimes you can spray carb cleaner or brake clean into the valve, let soak and with fingers covering both holes shake it up until you hear it start to free up.  Hope this helps.

Kyle
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dga57

Quote from: 71pintoracer on April 01, 2010, 10:04:27 PM
Ha! That's what I said! What th' heck is that?? ??? Hey Dwayne, can you take a peek at your 1600 and see if it has that tube? :lost:

I may be Saturday before I'm anywhere near the car, but I had already decided to do just that!  My gut instinct is that there's nothing like that in mine!  Will let you know!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.