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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

73 Wagon Project - Brownie

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dave1987

Thanks everyone for your help with the timing!

Got the new timing belt in today, put everything back into the engine compartment, added a bit of gas to the carb and tried to get her started.

She sputtered and stuttered, tried and tried and tried. Almost turned over completely but couldn't quite get there. Shot a lot of soot out of the tailpipe (from the damaged muffler), but never started.

Before leaving I looked around the engine compartment and there was gas on the fender. The fuel line from the pump to the carb had burst. That would explain a lot!

Tomorrow I am going to replace that line and try her again. Keeps your fingers crossed, we're almost there! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

And just for record's sake, here is the manufacture date on the condenser!

January 1st 1973
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

And here are some shots of the radiator and condenser. They are actually in great shape for being 36 years old! Even still have the stickers on the fan guard! A/C sticker is in pristine shape!

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

In a separate thread I started about timing a 2.0, one said that the timing marks are on the main seal assembly. I won't know until I go to put the new belt on the motor, but things are so dirty I couldn't see anything. I'll let y'all know though!

Got more work done on the car today. Had to get a three jaw gear puller from Autozone's tool rental to pull the crank pulley. After about 45 minutes of wrestling with the flimsy thing to get it to actually PULL the pulley off (it was on there pretty good!!), I was able to remove the old belt.

Unfortunately this involved pulling the condenser from the A/C system. At least it was empty so I didn't have to deal with any R-12 leakage! The GOOD side is, that I was able to blow out the fins of both the radiator and the condenser with the blower attachment for the air compressor! Nice and clean now! :D

After getting the pulley off and blowing out the radiator and condenser, I cleaned up some of the prettier parts of the motor, as well as cleaned up the pulley's a bit, getting them ready for new belts.

Here's what the timing belt looks like right now, as well as the front belt cover and the air cleaner cover. I was surprised how nice they were in for being CAKED in DIRT! Especially with the stickers still on them! You can also see the damage to the belt cover from the bolts not being tightened completely.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

oldkayaker

I should have read this post before giving a verbose answer to your other post.  So you do have a 2.0.  Although not precise, you could line up where the fixed pointer broke off to the timing marks on the pulley (assumes there is something left of your front cover).  Although a cast piece, that fixed pointer is a stout piece with reinforcement ribs (must have taken some significant pounding). 

Great progress on a nice project, have fun. 
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

dave1987

Little bit of a problem.....It looks like the cover didn't get bolted down entirely at some time in it's past, and well.........

The crank pulley seems to have cut through half of the belt cover and ripped the timing pointer off.  :reek:
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

TIGGER

Dave, I believe the 2.0 L has the timing marks on the balancer.  The pointer is on the cover.
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dave1987

Well I got the ignition swapped out! :D

Brownie now has a new starter solenoid, ignition coil, points, condenser, plugs, wires, cap and battery!!

Now the bad news....

I had my dad crank the car while I observed the distributor rotor turn, except.......the rotor didn't turn!  :'(

Well, after removing the accessory belts, belt cover, fan AND RADIATOR, I was finally able to remove tension from the timing belt to pull it away from the crank sprocket to see what was going on. Sure enough! The teeth around the crank sprocket, on the timing belt, and torn off, leaving nothing but a smooth belt on the toothy side of the belt! :'(

I tried to remove the belt, without cutting it, but the pulley was in the way and I couldn't get it out. I couldn't get the pulley to come off, even after removing the bolt, because it's so stuck on the crank shaft end! :(

Tomorrow I will be getting a pulley puller from the parts store (rental of coarse), and a new timing belt.

Once the belt is on, timing set, and plugs gaped and installed, it should be ready for it's first start!!!! :D


Now lies the question, how do I set the timing on this thing? No marks on the belt cover like my 2.3 has..... :\
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Pintosopher

Dave,
Are you sure the the Resistor wire is not in the harness? I know that My '73 harness that I put in my '72 still has it's R wire. (I was making my race car Street legal again) I have a Mallory Unilite pointless Dist and Coil, I just attached the Wire to the usual wiring diagram  connections and it worked fine.
My Original '72 harness was gutted for racing and had a heavy gauge wire with EXTERNAL stand alone Ceramic resistor on the coil circuit.
I also ran my car without a Vacuum advance for awhile on the standard Dist without a Problem. The issue is important only for Smog Check and Improved economy.

Hope you find this helpful, Great progress on your car!

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

dave1987

Sounds good. I will try to pull a resistor wire from another car at the junk yard, at least, so I can get it moving under its own power.

Now, how about that demolished vacuum advance valve?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

71pintoracer

That would be the easiest thing to do just to get it running and moveable. If the resistor wire is missing you can run the points system on 12V, it's just harder on the points.
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

dave1987

What about converting it back to points temporarily? Can I just remove the Crane system and put points and a condenser back in?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

skunky56

Dave, the pointless system IS the best way to go with your stock dist. Dump the crane system the problem is the optical trigger instead of the magnetic , install the pertronix with their 40k volt coil and if your feeling sassy an MSD 6AL box. I have that system in my 72 2.0 it works wonderfully ,the 2.0 loves hot spark the hotter the better.You will have to run a straight 12v from your switch to trigger the PES, also the Crane system needs the same 12v trigger not the stepped down 9v the points require. Hope this helps.


Paul
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78 Wagon V6 C3

larjohnson

WOW!!!! just checked your thread for the first time in days...the car is coming along nicely... Keep up the good work....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dave1987

So, after hours of research, I have found out some info on the distributor.

It is most likely the original distributor.

It has a Crane Cams Fireball XR700 ignition system installed, meaning the distributor has been "gutted" for it. I cannot find any info about the broken disc that I have, aside that it is called the "Optic Trigger", and it is only available with the purchase of the optic trigger installation kit. The kit includes the optic sensor, installation hardware, and 5 or 6 different trigger discs for use with different motors.

Does anyone know of ANYWHERE that I might be able to find just the discs, or just the disc I need for the Ford 2.0 distributor? I would really like to use this breaker-less ignition system if I can get it working.


If I can't get this ignition system to work, how hard would it be to convert the distributor back to points? Just purchase a set of points and a condenser and call it good?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

71pintoracer

Great progress Dave! To answer some of your questions, the bracket hanging from the trans is a vibration damper. I have probably thrown away a bunch of them! Not sure if any of my old trannies still have them or not, if so I will send you one. Only problem is they are buried under two feet of snow! And the way the weather forcast is sounding, it's not going anywhere soon.
As far as the dist, seems to me that was on some of the '73's instead of points. Kind of an early attempt of the duraspark. Finding one of those distributors could be a challenge. Maybe take the guts out of the VW dist and swap it into yours? Or you could get rid of that set-up and put in a points dist. That would be the easiest, drop it in, one wire to the coil and you're running.  :)
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

dave1987

Well she wasn't really running, I just turned the lights on to show that it all works now. :)

Getting it started is going to be a bit of an adventure. Need to find a replacement distributor, or the parts to fix the one I've got. Then it's a matter of helicoil-ing the bolts holes on the head to get the alternator bracket back on.

Got the replacement starter solenoid exchanged at Autozone today, and picked up a new coil for it with the $20 in rewards points that I had on my Autozone card.

Making progress! Rather quickly too! :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Oh, Dave, it's so good to see her ALIVE! Congratulations on getting her fired up and her lights lighting. I'm hoping your sheared bolt issue and broken bracker thing won't be too hard to fix. She really is a beauty! Merry Christmas.  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

Found some info on the distributor. By googling "pertronix module", I came up with a photo of a VW Bosch Distributor. From the picture, it looks identical to what's in the wagon. From what I can tell, it uses an optical sensor instead of a magnetic pickup or points.

http://cranecams.com/images/downloadable/FireBall_Ignition/Distributor%20VW%20Bosch%20w%20XR700%20XR3000%20(All%20PNs).jpg

Also, from what I have gathered, I believe that module on the fender is an ignition amplifier.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Here are some pictures of what the lil pony looked like after I finished up with her today! :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Now the issue with the alternator bracket....Argg! so frustrating!!!!

It appears that someone over tightened the bolts and sheered them off on the head of the motor.  :'( :'( This would explain the crazy setup that was present, to add tension to the alternator belt!

What do I need to do to fix this? Is there any way of saving it without removing the head of the motor and sending it to a shop, or do I need a new head for it all together???

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

First off, the distributor....

I think someone changed something on the ignition system, or it's a pertronix unit. I can't seem to find any points in it anywhere!

There is however a four tabbed "spinner", with what appears to be an optical sensor or magnet like my 78's duraspark has. Not to sure....

Anyhow, one of the tabs are broken on the "spinner" so I'm thinking I'm going to need to replace the whole unit. :(

Also, there is this weird looking module that is mounted to the firewall. The distributor wires and one wire from the battery side of the coil go into this module. The only thing I can't think it might be is a pertronix ignition module, if the ignition system was upgraded.

Does anyone know what type of distributor this is or where I can get a replacement unit from (or other cars that would have it)???

Also notice the destroyed vacuum advance from the ghetto alternator mounting.

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

I got a lot of work done on the wagon today!

1) Replaced turn signal cam, and lever (with the proper full chrome lever)
2) Changed out the headlights
3) Removed remnants of the front grill
4) Replaced bulbs on right side marker lights (now working!)
5) Replaced backup lamp bulbs (left side was missing)
6) Replaced door lock....plastic...chrome things
7) Tested alternator at Schucks (found out it's dead)
8 ) Removed the ghetto trampoline spring alternator tensioning....thing
9) Replaced all the bulbs in the instrument cluster
10) Found out the shifter light is burnt out
11) Got the e-brake to work! Tightened up the bolt at the handle to add tension to the cable. It must be stretched like crazy!
12) Jacked up the car and looked around a bit, found a broken mount for the transmission.

13) Got the car to crank properly!


You were right David, it was the solenoid! I guess Autozone sold me a dud, now they are questioning against replacing it since they don't replace electrical parts. I don't want a refund, just a working switch!!!  :mad: :mad: I put the one that came with the car back on and connected it properly. It cranks just fine now!

After removing the ghetto alternator mounting and found out some terrible facts about the distributor.

When going to put everything back together again, I found out an even worse fact about the alternator bracket!!!  :'( :'(

There is this bracket thing that hangs off the bottom of the transmission's tail shaft. It is bolted to the transmission with two bolts, then angles downward and hands almost right above the exhaust pipe. It's about 18 inches long (if I were to guess), and the lowest section of it is about 1.25 inches thick (also a guess). It is broken in about the middle of the lower thick section. What is this the purpose of this bracket/mount?????
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

That's what I was thinking David, but I just replaced it. The old one didn't work, which is why it wouldn't crank in the first place. Maybe I got a dud?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

mikeystoy

the reverse light switch is incorporated in the neutral safety switch on autos.

smallfryefarm

im going to give my guess, solenoid
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dave1987

Not sure. Need to play around with starter solenoid a little as well.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

75bobcatv6

Could the bar that initiates the Starter motor be sticking ?

dave1987

Dropped the steering column today to check the switch. Even took the switch apart and cleaned the contacts. Nothing, still cranks in the "Run" position. I'm thinking something is wrong with the wiring.... Any ideas?? The coil is reading 4 volts while cranking in the run position, forgot to check the crank position. But 4 is really low, so I'm going to replace the coil and the switch with this paycheck.

Removed the instrument cluster..........The back white plastic........Is in PERFECT shape! :D It's still shiney and very solid! I'm thrilled that I can keep the original one in there!

I moved the shifter through all of the positions and no backup lights. Didn't have time to check the bulbs, but that's my next step. Getting her to fire is my main priority right now.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

larjohnson

Can't wait to see some new pix of this wonderful piece of Ford history....have fun...Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!