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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Fred Morgan

Dwayne last I herd she was stuck in Trinidad CO 180 miles south of Denver. Fuel leak then starter would not work. She called Auto club and Norm. I am thinking if she took care of fuel leak then push start the car. But I think Norm will take it from here.  Fred   :)
Fred Morgan- Missing from us...
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Post your well wishes,
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dga57

Quote from: Fred Morgan on May 28, 2011, 12:21:40 PM
At 10:00 am CA time Becky is on Eye-25 heading North to Denver 80 miles South from Colorado border, still in New Mexico. Car is running better on 91 octane.  Fred   :)

Thanks for keeping us posted, Fred.  I'm planning to try calling her tonight and touch base.  Can't help but worry about her until she meets up with the Stampede!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Fred Morgan

At 10:00 am CA time Becky is on Eye-25 heading North to Denver 80 miles South from Colorado border, still in New Mexico. Car is running better on 91 octane.  Fred   :)
Fred Morgan- Missing from us...
January 20th 1951-January 6th 2014

Beloved PCCA Parts Supplier and Friend to many.
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http://www.fordpinto.com/in-memory-of-our-fallen-pinto-heros/fred-morgan-23434/

Pangra74

The shake comes in at around 65-70, then sort of blends in, so if the stampeders are going to be cruising 55-60 should be no issue. Hey I also got 29mpg with the 5 speed through the mountains and cruising at 75 thru Nevada
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dave1987

I hope Becky is alright and everything gets fixed up and she gets back on the road pronto!

Pangra74, hope your Pony gets to Carlisle okay and the vibration doesn't become fierce! I'm keeping tabs on you all! :)


1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Pangra74

Well, I made it to Wendover Nevada so far. Next stop is Denver..BOOOORING drive this is. I did it several times when I used to play music in Nevada. Car is running well, but have some sort of driveline vibration. Had the tires balanced on a Roadforce machine in Winnemucca, NV and they checked out fine. Those guys did it for free. Les Schwab Tires of Winnemucca. Might be a trans mount issue.
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1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

pintogirl

Thanks for the updates Fred. What was wrong with Ruby? Hope it was something minor that wont re occur!


I didn't think of it till just now but, I should have sent her my "Spot". It would have tracked every where she travels. Would also send for help if she couldn't get a signal with a cel phone. I take it with me when I ride  my m/c on long trips. Basically got it when I got the KLR. Figured it would come in handy if I wrecked or had a flat up in the mountain roads. Anyway, it would have been neat to track her!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Fred Morgan

At 6:40 pm CA time Becky was 40 miles west of New Mexico border that means total mile to Alb. NM she has 200 miles left to go so looks like 11:00 pm arrive. There she needs to change freeway to head north to Denver and go to 91 octane for grade climb.  Fred   :)
Fred Morgan- Missing from us...
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http://www.fordpinto.com/in-memory-of-our-fallen-pinto-heros/fred-morgan-23434/

Fred Morgan

I already had to go do a repair on Becky's car Hywy 95 AZ side going north she will get to I-40 in about 20 minutes. The people out of Malibu CA need to hook up with her, she is too far away for me. I told her she needs to go 580 miles to Alb. New Mexico and try to get a hold of Chuck for place to do overnighter. There she needs to change freeway and head north to Denver. I don't know what's really going on with this run but if some 1 could help I will say thank you.   Fred 
Fred Morgan- Missing from us...
January 20th 1951-January 6th 2014

Beloved PCCA Parts Supplier and Friend to many.
Post your well wishes,
http://www.fordpinto.com/in-memory-of-our-fallen-pinto-heros/fred-morgan-23434/

Norman Bagi

I made it to Denver yesterday, had only two hours sleep during the trip.  Sorry if I wasn't available before, I had to prep the cars for photos and get some rest. Check up on all updates through the facebook page. It is just easier to update through my phone. And to all stampede members, please call me. You have my cell phone and i cannot type emails while driving. I will get back to you. We are about to go on an adventure of a lifetime, safe travels to all and here is the facebook link.
http://www.facebook.com/PintoStampede

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: dave1987 on May 26, 2011, 11:11:14 PM
I love the song you used with the video as well. I remember it from the Farbrausch demo program/video number 25.

Holy Cookie! Batman... can't believe anybody would have know where that tune was from, wow.

Quote from: dave1987 on May 26, 2011, 11:11:14 PM
Brian, the the wife and I both love your Apache. We want to get one of our own some time when we have space to store one! I showed her pictures of it on FaceBook and she wants to go camping now! :D Now the question is, where can I get one?

Craigslist... look under the RV section and do searches for "Apache" I have the Raven (seen in the video) and the slightly bigger Eagle. There is also an Apache forums and facebook page for info, parts and such. I don't see them very often, last 3 years I have seen 3 of them, bought 2. the 2 I have were useable, tents ok (not perfect but useable) and were in the $600-700 price range. The small campers like this sell fairly fast (around here anyhow) so you have to have cash in hand and ready to get when you do see them. I just missed out on an early 80's motorcycle trailer I really wanted, I was the second caller. Apache's are fairly expensive to restore so try to find one in useable condition. The new tent for mine was $760 shipped. Recently I saw one in a back yard not to far from home. I stopped and asked about it only to find out the beds and tent were long gone and they use it as a trailer only. I'm tring to find the one made in the late 70's/early 80's ??? that the hard top was removable and can be used as a small boat!
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Fred Morgan

Same here guys! Wait til you see what Fred will put on facebook tomorrow... hopefully he'll share them on here too in The Ladies Of PintoLand thread. lol but don't worry I don't plan on going bust! Be safe all. I am so eager to finally meet you! :D
Fred Morgan- Missing from us...
January 20th 1951-January 6th 2014

Beloved PCCA Parts Supplier and Friend to many.
Post your well wishes,
http://www.fordpinto.com/in-memory-of-our-fallen-pinto-heros/fred-morgan-23434/

dga57

Quote from: Fred Morgan on May 26, 2011, 06:35:08 PM
Hey fellow Stampeders!  Becky here...

I am leaving Fred's PintoLand early tomorrow morning. If you buy small or flat parts from Fred I can bring 'em along in Ruby. I can bring some glass (windshields and Runabout windows are too big. Door glass is risky but if anyone's interested I'll try).  Free shipping!!! These parts here need good homes, so please get ahold of Fred and I'll do the rest! Well, me and Ruby...

Fred is good people and thanks (HUGE!!!) to him this Stampede will be possible for me after all! This is my way of showing my appreciation and helping him out. Sorry for the add-sy way about it. Ok so  get some parts! ;D See you all soon!  :D

Drive safely, Becky!  See you next Thursday!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dave1987

Brian, the the wife and I both love your Apache. We want to get one of our own some time when we have space to store one! I showed her pictures of it on FaceBook and she wants to go camping now! :D Now the question is, where can I get one?

I love the song you used with the video as well. I remember it from the Farbrausch demo program/video number 25. I used to use their stuff to benchmark my computer systems after overclocking. http://www.theproduct.de/ has a great video of an animated disco character walking and dancing to the song! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Pangra74

Well,


I'll be headin' out of Oakland tomorrow morning at 6am and Hope to get past Salt Lake by tomorrow night. Tune in and make sure I haven't conked out! www.livestream.com/pintostampedelive


Joe
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

Cookieboystoys

see ya on the Stampede Becky, Happy and safe travels to you.
I'll be leaving tomorrow for the Minneapolis area to spend some time with prostang92 and dmsteen. Then off to flash041's to meet up with the Wisconsin Stampeders. Since I am planning on camping at Carlise and little needed to be done to the car to get ready.... I spent some time restoring one of my other toys.

how  8) is this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx27xu1nV4Q
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Fred Morgan

Hey fellow Stampeders!  Becky here...

I am leaving Fred's PintoLand early tomorrow morning. If you buy small or flat parts from Fred I can bring 'em along in Ruby. I can bring some glass (windshields and Runabout windows are too big. Door glass is risky but if anyone's interested I'll try).  Free shipping!!! These parts here need good homes, so please get ahold of Fred and I'll do the rest! Well, me and Ruby...

Fred is good people and thanks (HUGE!!!) to him this Stampede will be possible for me after all! This is my way of showing my appreciation and helping him out. Sorry for the add-sy way about it. Ok so  get some parts! ;D See you all soon!  :D
Fred Morgan- Missing from us...
January 20th 1951-January 6th 2014

Beloved PCCA Parts Supplier and Friend to many.
Post your well wishes,
http://www.fordpinto.com/in-memory-of-our-fallen-pinto-heros/fred-morgan-23434/

Pangra74

Looks like good weather for me from Oakland to Denver, May 27-29th. Yay no leaks to worry about!
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

dga57

Quote from: Rear Ended on May 21, 2011, 06:32:55 PM
I am stuffing goodie bags for the Stampeders.  :lol:
We are about to break out, finishing touches being applied, I leave for Denver on Tuesday.

See you on the road or at carlisle!  :happy_bday:

Safe traveling, Norm!  I'll catch up with you at the Flight 93 Memorial!  Looking forward to it!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Norman Bagi

I am stuffing goodie bags for the Stampeders.  :lol:
We are about to break out, finishing touches being applied, I leave for Denver on Tuesday.

See you on the road or at carlisle!  :happy_bday:

Pangra74

Actually it wasn't nasty. I just told him to check his facts and gave him our links.

Joe
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

Norman Bagi

Ooo, Try not to mess with the media. It is hard to beat them, no one has done it yet. We get more bees with honey.  Nasty letters will get us nasty press.  Tooo much of that in the past. I appreciate the passion though, keep on it, just keep your feelings in check.

:happy_bday:

Pangra74

Just saw a Popular Mechanics digital issue
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/news/pictures/10-cars-that-deserved-to-fail?src=nl&mag=pop&list=nl_pnl_aut_non_051911_cars-deserved-to-fail&kw=ist#fbIndex4
They list the Pinto as one of the ten cars that deserved to fail. I wrote the Editor a nasty letter and gave him links to our site and the stampede......
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

dave1987

I wish I had vacation time and funds just to make it to DENVER to see you all!  :'( :'( :'(
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

What is that... Ohioese for "stuff"? lol  :lol:

One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Quote from: blupinto on May 16, 2011, 09:01:58 PM
Norm, Ruby's even readier as of today- she got her oil changed and her zerks greased. ;D

Dont forget the zorks & whatzamajigs. You won't get too far without those lol
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
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Pangra74

We Are Commercial free as of now!! I will be doing some road tests this week, maybe with multiple cameras....

www.livestream.com/pintostampedelive  and check out my music channels
www.youtube.com/joeescobarjazz  and www.livestream.com/joeescobarlive

Now the weather just has to hold out for us....

1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

Pangra74

I should hit Denver by saturday afternoon I hope! I've probably dumped another $1000 into this car for the trip. It better make it. If it doesn't, everyone will know cause I'll be streaming my drive from Oakland, CA as of may 27th. Pray for good weather! The Livestream site will go commercial free as of Friday or Saturday so you all can check in on mine and ultimately the Stampede's progress in real time.......gonna see how good Verizon is for sure!

The Livestream site may not work with mobile phones so I will embed the player on my music site and it may be viewable via mobile phone there. Working on that right now.

www.livestream.com/pintostampedelive 

Joe
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

dave1957

ten days for me..  When is everyone planning to be in Denver? Last one there buys the Beer.......Lol
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blupinto

Norm, Ruby's even readier as of today- she got her oil changed and her zerks greased. ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!