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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Pinto Stampede

Started by Norman Bagi, December 02, 2009, 12:47:57 PM

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blupinto

Joe, you so ROCK!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I FINALLY watched the latest installment of Stampede footage... and was blown away! For starters, the music is excellent (nice interpretation of Kansas City! lol I also loved the music played between Fort Riley and Topeka.) Then the reliving that drive... oh yes... and when I needed a push back in Salina. LOL!!! Gawd! I wanna go on that trip again. I wish there was a replay button for experiences like these. Joe Escobar... you've given us the closest thing to it. Thank you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

Pangra74

Ok,

New link for all of the videos is www.joe-escobar.com/pinto-stampede/stampede.html

There is a single player on the page with thumbnails for each of the 3 videos.

All of my copies of the videos will live here until I create my new Pinto web page. Norm will have copies for pintostampede.com as well.

Joe
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

Pangra74

This will be the new link for the video. I'm moving my Pinto/car stuff to this channel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keU-tZfSqQU
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

Norman Bagi

Joe,

You are the man!!  I am watching it now and had to say thanks.  Great Job!!

Pangra74

I'm going to be moving my car stuff to a different Youtube Channel. The other link will work for awhile, but I need to keep my music channel as a music channel for clients to visit, not that they won't like the Pintos....
I'll post the new link later today

Joe
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

Pangra74

1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

Pangra74


Hey Everyone,

Next Stampede video is uploading right now 11:23 PST. Links to follow. I will post it on my music channel and livestream for now. I'm trying to get extended videos on my other youtube channel so I can post them all together. Should be about an hour or so.


Joe
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

Norman Bagi

Joe,

I sent that info to you last night along with some other drivers info for the next legs of the trip.  Keep em coming it is helping me log in who came as well.  There were allot of drop in and drop outs along the way.  Man that was a fun ride.

Pangra74

The next video is done but I need the names of two Pinto drivers at Kansas Speedway.

The guy driving the green 71 with the turbo 2.0 and the guy driving the gray 79 or 80 sedan near the front of the pack on the first laps. I'm trying to make sure everyone gets credit for being there.

E-mail me the names at joebone8@comcast.net Then I can finish the video from Salina KS to Columbia MO

Joe
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

dave1987

That would be great Norm! It could be featured in the PCCA store! I'm sure all of the charter members would like a copy, at least.


1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Norman Bagi

Quote from: dave1987 on July 23, 2011, 01:41:11 AM
Any news about getting a collection of all the photos taken on a CD?

Dave,

The photos are quite big.  So far I have eight standard DVD's (4 of the 8gig) of footage and I don't have allot of people's stuff who came. It is allot of info most people put the pictures on snapfish and other areas. Believe it or not, I have not had the time to look at the videos I took during the trip.  Maybe later I can put together a highlight DVD or something.

Pangra74

I know Norm and I have discussed sharing all of our files aot some point
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

dave1987

Any news about getting a collection of all the photos taken on a CD?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Norman Bagi


Pangra74

Not sure if the next one will be as funny, but I'll do my best to make it entertaining...There's lots of footage to condense.


Joe
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

pintoman1972

Joe,

Great job on the videos.  The Tower was a scream.  It will take me a month of Sundays to view all the videos but I will do it.

Again, thanks so much for taking us along on the Stampede.  What an adventure.

Dick

blupinto

Joe, that was EXCELLENT!!! I was laughing hard at the credits, the Pinto crossing the camera lens... the exerpts, THEN I heard Norm at The Wonder Tower!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh those were great memories! It was like I was there again.  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

Norman Bagi

Joe, wow, you realy captured the Wonder Tower.  I tried to explaint it to people.  i laughed almost as hard as when I was there. If ever in Genoa, you must go. And look for the PCCA and Stampede magnets we left.

pintogirl

Quote from: Cookieboystoys on June 14, 2011, 07:08:04 PM
ROFLMAO!!!! I love the beginning credits, fell out of my chair  :laugh:


I second that!! Too funny!!

Great videos too!! THanks for doing that! It was nice to ride along even though I had to stop and go to work at times!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Cookieboystoys

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Pangra74

1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

blupinto

Joe you show-off! LOL!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
One can never have too many Pintos!

phils toys

http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z206/Philstoys/stampeed/
my pic of the stampeed carlisle pic are a seperate folder
i did try to guess as to the lengith of pintos on the highway and guetemated it to be just over 1/2 mile of pintos and support  caravan.
i tried to get a few pics of everyonr in front of me  there are a few pics from the flight 93 memorial  as well.
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

Pangra74

Well, if I can recommend anything from this trip, the Petronix electronic ignition worked flawlessly. I ran a Powermaster, one wire, 150 amp alternator to make sure I had juice for the laptop, inverter and other electronics, and the T-5 swap is the way to go for high speed cruising. The Pinto actually handles very well, and is pretty stable at high speed. You can ask the guy in the AMG Mercedes that I chased down the western side of the Sierras!! He probably couldn't believe that he was seeing a Pinto in his rear view thru the curves!
1974 Orange Runabout
1974 soon to be Cruisin' Wagon

r4pinto

Quote from: phils toys on June 12, 2011, 07:57:01 PM
we made it home last night after a week of vacation  great meeting  everyone 
thank you john for watching the car for me  while on vacation.  i did not  see any hail damage but will look closer this week as i get ready for our local show.
between carlisle and vacation i have 0ver 500 pic to go through hopefully i will get through some tomarrow .
phil

Glad you had fun Phil, it was great to see you again! That Bobcat of yours is looking as good as ever.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

75bobcatv6

SRT you and me both. I cant ever seem to get time off to do anything..

Srt

I sure wish I could have been there. 
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

blupinto

GAWD! I love you guys!!!!!! Ruby and I are worn out but happy to be home. I miss the 'puter too because it was not always possible to post updates or visit with everyone online. Ruby idles roughly now but runs like a champ when she's in gear. We did a lot of steady driving in the heat, cold- even what I thought was a hurricane in Oklahoma- so she definitely gets the medal for courage, toughness, tenacity. I merely guided her. Thank you all for worrying, I'm sorry I caused any anxiety.  I will treasure these friendships we made for the rest of my life. :smile:
One can never have too many Pintos!

phils toys

we made it home last night after a week of vacation  great meeting  everyone 
thank you john for watching the car for me  while on vacation.  i did not  see any hail damage but will look closer this week as i get ready for our local show.
between carlisle and vacation i have 0ver 500 pic to go through hopefully i will get through some tomarrow .
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

STREETREBEL

You have cool little car there.
And I really enjoyed meeting you at the Kansas Speedway.
I hope we meet again soon.
Randy....