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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Project "Shagon Wagon" The 73 Pinto Wagon!!

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dga57

Sounds like a step in the right direction, Kim!  I can't wait to see how it turns out either!!!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

pintogirl

Not much of an update, but I wanted to share anyway!!

So, me and hubby were sitting out in the garage talking about the Pinto hauler and what the next steps to getting it ready to get painted, and he mentioned how he was going to talk to the paint guy about a guy he knew that did body work. He said he was going to ask the body work guy if he would be interested in coming over and doing the body work on the Shagon Wagon!!!!  ;D ;D ;D  So now I"m kinda excited that the Shagon Wagon will possibly be done right and done nicely!!! I sure hope the guy will do it!!!! I have all these pics. in my mind on how it will look when it is done!! Can't wait to see if it will be what I pictured!!

I will soon be updating with pics!! I hope!!  ;D
Kim
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pintogirl

It's done!!!!  ;D

My camera was acting up but here a a couple of pics!!





Ok, I was just messin' with you all!! Tried to play with one of the toy cruisen wagons I got!! LOL ;D

Kim
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pintogirl

Quote from: blink77 on August 13, 2009, 04:46:53 PM
Kim
I got the wagon in the shop last night. I'll be
pulling the trim off this weekend. When I get it
wrapped I'll get you shipping cost. I'll send you
pictures of my progress.
Bill

Cool, Thanks!!! I will be looking forward to the pics, and the trim! LOL!!!
Kim
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blink77

Kim
I got the wagon in the shop last night. I'll be
pulling the trim off this weekend. When I get it
wrapped I'll get you shipping cost. I'll send you
pictures of my progress.
Bill

75bobcatv6

the rubber is still good but depends on the cost for both parts lol. let me know prices

pintogirl

Quote from: 75bobcatv6 on August 09, 2009, 07:35:33 PM
get me some too kim. I need them!

Ok, I will try to remember to ask him tomorrow. If he can get the rubber, do you need it too?
Kim
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pintogirl

Quote from: larjohnson on August 10, 2009, 03:02:56 PM
Kim:  Your wagon is coming along nicely......It really will be a great car once you're finished with it.  I too had a 1975 Ford Pinto Wagon when my wife and I were first married.  It was the same shade of green as yours.  Currently I have the following items, I will give to you for shipping, if you need any of them:
#1Luggage Rack for a Ford Pinto Sedan/Runabout model, includes the slats...in pretty good shape...although I think you have those already.
#2Two decent front seats out of a 1978???? Ford Pinto....the insets are cloth, and should be replaced with vinyl, but the vinyl parts of the seats are in good shape, except a small tear in the driver's (normal wear from rubbing when getting in and out)
#3The green (same color as yours) dashboard, out of a I don't know what year or model of Pinto.  Decent shape, but missing all the attached items, would be the dash only.
I have a few other items, just let me know what you need, if I have them, they are yours for the shipping only.  I'm not going to need these things, and they're just being wasted sitting in my garage, when someone can get some use out of them.  I live in Muncie, Indiana, so shipping to California could be a little steep.  Anyway, just let me know.  Good luck on the wagon, aren't Pintos just great??????  Larry :police:

Larry,  I will PM you!!! Thanks!

Kim
Kim
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larjohnson

Kim:  Your wagon is coming along nicely......It really will be a great car once you're finished with it.  I too had a 1975 Ford Pinto Wagon when my wife and I were first married.  It was the same shade of green as yours.  Currently I have the following items, I will give to you for shipping, if you need any of them:
#1Luggage Rack for a Ford Pinto Sedan/Runabout model, includes the slats...in pretty good shape...although I think you have those already.
#2Two decent front seats out of a 1978???? Ford Pinto....the insets are cloth, and should be replaced with vinyl, but the vinyl parts of the seats are in good shape, except a small tear in the driver's (normal wear from rubbing when getting in and out)
#3The green (same color as yours) dashboard, out of a I don't know what year or model of Pinto.  Decent shape, but missing all the attached items, would be the dash only.
I have a few other items, just let me know what you need, if I have them, they are yours for the shipping only.  I'm not going to need these things, and they're just being wasted sitting in my garage, when someone can get some use out of them.  I live in Muncie, Indiana, so shipping to California could be a little steep.  Anyway, just let me know.  Good luck on the wagon, aren't Pintos just great??????  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

75bobcatv6


pintogirl

I just found out that my hubby's kid can get the chrome stuff that go around the port holes!!! I'm debating now if I want to try to pull the port holes out to paint. Only thing I worried about on doing that would be messing up the rubber! I still need to ask the kid if he can get the rubber or not! I am thinking that the chrome stuff is probably just universal!
Kim
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Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: blink77 on August 09, 2009, 01:49:20 PM
Kim
I can't believe I didnt send you both inner trim
panels. I thought about it, but I even had to unwrap
the packsge, as I had forgotten to put the roof slats
in. I've got 3 more sets of panels with interior panels
left. I can take a picture of the brackets on the car,
and send you a template so you could make them and be able
to attach them (the inner panels) the way they were attached
originaly. I could just send the clps and brackets, but the
other parts will require a package  big enough to accomodate
the panel at very little if any addition cost to ship.
Bill


Bill, If I would have known you had the other interior panel, I would have had you send it too!! LOL  Add it to the molding package when you get that ready!!!

Thanks,
Kim
Kim
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blink77

Kim
I can't believe I didnt send you both inner trim
panels. I thought about it, but I even had to unwrap
the packsge, as I had forgotten to put the roof slats
in. I've got 3 more sets of panels with interior panels
left. I can take a picture of the brackets on the car,
and send you a template so you could make them and be able
to attach them (the inner panels) the way they were attached
originaly. I could just send the clps and brackets, but the
other parts will require a package  big enough to accomodate
the panel at very little if any addition cost to ship.
Bill

75bobcatv6


pintogirl

Quote from: dholvrsn on August 07, 2009, 07:30:40 PM
Do you have the clips that hold the interior panels on? I'd like to get the dimensions for those.

Yes, Blink77 left those on the interior panel. Here are some pics of them. Did you need to know how far the are apart from each other or how big the clip is?





Those clips go along the sides and top, then this plastic thing is at the bottem in to spots!



I will probably be attatching my interior panesls via a different way. Not sure how yet, but my car never had the panels so it doesn't have the holes for the clips. Maybe I can do a "studded" look and just screw them to the inside?? Not sure until we get into that part of it. Either that, or I may have to find another interior panel for the rest of the clips for the other side, then just drill the holse in the car?
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

75bobcatv6


dholvrsn

Do you have the clips that hold the interior panels on? I'd like to get the dimensions for those.
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pintogirl

Look what showed up today!!!!!  



I am now one step closer to having a cruisen wagon!!!!  ;D ;D

It was a good day to day. My panels arrived and my new windshield rubber came on the same truck!!  :tgif: ;D


A special thanks to Blink77 for the cruiser panels and roof slats!!! He has been and still is ( I'm getting more stuff from him!!) a pleasure to do business with!!!!



Kim
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pintogirl

Quote from: discolives78 on July 31, 2009, 04:32:11 PM
Hey Kim!

Glad to see you got her home! That is a cool shade of green! Are you going back to Squire wood trim on the outside, or are you gonna have to fill all those holes? Use some heavy steel wool with that Ajax and Elbow Grease, and that primer will be gone in no time. If it started coming off that easy they probably didn't prep it well to start. Plus the spray primer has a tendancy to dry on the way to the car on hot days, and dry paint don't stick. Better to start on a fresh surface! As for that door jamb issue, well just slather some fiberglass filler over it and pretend you didn't see it :lost:    ;D...and by all means, don't pick at it! :evil: who knows what you'll uncover!

I think earthquake has a set of cruzer panels. I was going to get them but they're up for grabs if you want them, since you have a wagon and I don't. ;)

Send him a PM and tell him 'Disco sent you! :afro:


Chuck :afro:

Thanks for the steel wool info, I will try that when I get a chance!! Also the fiberglass idea for the jamb is good too. I think my hubby will probably use a bondo type fibrerglass stuff called MarGlass. Not sure on the spelling of that!! LOL

As far as the cruzer panels, Earthquake just pm'd me today and said they are already pending sale. That and Blink77 has made me an offer I can't refuse on a set!!!  ;D So I should be good for the cruiser panels now!! Just waiting for him to get time to ship! Which I will wait patiently because of the deal that he offered!!  ;D ;D ;D

I'm still kinda of debating on the wood trim. Hubby and I have discussed it when we first got the car and are pretty sure we will just swap the front fenders for non squire ones, and fill the holes in the rest of the car. BUT, I'm not sure if that is what I really want to do. I have thought about trying to find the trim pieces that go around the wood, then just painting where the wood would go, a different color then the main car color. Maybe try to match what ever color interior I choose. Then I would paint the trim peices an even lighter colro to make sure it brings out the whole picture!!  ;D So that will have to thought about a bit more before I do all the body work. Another deciding factor would be finding the trip peices! LOL If I can't find them, I will fill in the holes!  ;D

Hubby wants to get a motor in it and have it running before we start doing other major stuff to it! Which is fine with me, because I will drive it the way it looks now, holes and all!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

discolives78

Hey Kim!

Glad to see you got her home! That is a cool shade of green! Are you going back to Squire wood trim on the outside, or are you gonna have to fill all those holes? Use some heavy steel wool with that Ajax and Elbow Grease, and that primer will be gone in no time. If it started coming off that easy they probably didn't prep it well to start. Plus the spray primer has a tendancy to dry on the way to the car on hot days, and dry paint don't stick. Better to start on a fresh surface! As for that door jamb issue, well just slather some fiberglass filler over it and pretend you didn't see it :lost:    ;D...and by all means, don't pick at it! :evil: who knows what you'll uncover!

I think earthquake has a set of cruzer panels. I was going to get them but they're up for grabs if you want them, since you have a wagon and I don't. ;)

Send him a PM and tell him 'Disco sent you! :afro:


Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

pintogirl

Today I started to get the wagon ready for the news shot on Sunday! I put the front seats back in and fixed the back seats metal panel. The PO had the hinge piece removed so I re-attached. Since I didn't have any clean carpet for the back I did the next best thing!! Used a blanket!! LOL  ;D To make the seats look better, I got the good old seat covers!!





It's amazing what a little cover up will do to the appearance!!!  ;D
Kim
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pintogirl

Just testing to see if this pic comes out bigger on the forum. Didn't shrink it as much on photobucket so I wanted to see if the forum shinks them automatically!



Yep, forum shrinks them to a smaller size! This above pic looks better bigger! LOL ;D
Kim
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pintogirl

Yah, it is a pretty green!! I really like it!!

Hubby and I were talking and he wants to paint the whole inside that green too. Even the dash. He doesn't like the cream brown, and I don't like the black! So it looks like it will be the same on the inside as the outside! LOL Then we can decide what color we want the dash pad and all the inside panels. Those things will set off the green. I think it will look ok the same on both sides!

All this is going to have to wait till we find the cruzin panels first. Then I can strip the windows out and not have to worry about putting them back in! It will also give me time to get a new rubber and windshield for the front!

We will go ahead and put a motor in it and it will be drivable till then, but it will just have seats and some floor mats for now. He doesn't want me to put the carpet in until we paint it. He thinks that once I put it in, I won't want to take it back out! :look: Believe me,  I will want to take it back out and put new carpet in once we paint it! LOL But to keep him happy, I will probably leave it out! He's just no fun! LOL ;D
Kim
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blupinto

WOW! What a pretty green! Even with primer marring her, SW has pretty green paint. I'm definitely seeing bright green gold metallic. At least she's disinfected! lol.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Ok, the car got a Comet bath today! Here are some shots that show the differences! LOL







If I had a buffing wheel handy, I probably could have gotten more of the primer off!! LOL Alot came off though!!
Kim
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pintogirl

I will end up having to either pop rivot or screw the slats down. All the studs on the top have been removed. I need the slats first though! LOL  Yah, I knew that would have to go on before the headliner. I will also be using some silicone when installing the slats, so I want to get to both top and bottom!!

Now someone send me some slats!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

75bobcatv6

mine were not bolted Just had some pop style clips on them. the rack was Screwed into place.

Pinturbo75

the slats for the luggage rack just bolt to he roof. they have clips that have studs attached and go through the roof. you need to install that before the headliner....
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

75bobcatv6

Quote from: pintogirl on July 27, 2009, 01:38:43 PM
Thanks for the link, I will go check it out!

As far as parts that I need. I need the back plastic panel that covers the back hatch hinges. I have one but it is broken on one corner so it hangs down a bit, and the PO painted it black. It is usable but I would like to replace it one day. I would love to have the back brown seats too. Only bad thing about needing these 2 items is the cost of shipping for such large parts, specially the seats! So for now we will have to skip them! I would have you take pics first before pulling anything though. I wouldn't want you to go through the trouble of pulling stuff, and it end up being the wrong color brown! LOL

What I really need but I doubt you can get them off with out breaking them, if they are even there, is the hinge piece that holds the pop out window in to the body! If you can get those, that would be great!!

The headliner would be great to have too, but they are a pain to pull without ripping them. That is why I figure I will make one!!

Oh, I may need the seat belts out of it. I need to check if I have a tan set, but if not I could use the the fronts for sure! I will have to also check the car and see if I would need the backs! I will let you know later if I need them! I am also not sure if a set for a 72 sedan will be the same as the wagon. I would think they would be? The covers are gone on my wagon so I don't know what they are supposed to look like. I figure if I have the set out of the sedan, I would just see if they will work!

I also can't spend a lot on it right now! Hubby would have a fit if I started pouring money into it, with out even having it running yet! LOL

Thanks!!!


kim talk to fred hes got brown 74 seats.