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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Project "Shagon Wagon" The 73 Pinto Wagon!!

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smallfryefarm

congrats on the new pony. i like the name. I was watching stacey david on gearzs tv he is building a 32 roadster, i cant remeber the paint company but they made him a special color that any one can buy, they called it rat roaster green. its beautifull it looks like a candy paint but its base coat clear coat. would look sweet on the cruiser.
Smallfryefarms Horsepower Ranch

pintogirl

Quote from: phils toys on July 27, 2009, 11:12:26 AM
looks like a good project for you  try this link for the paint
http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/cgi-bin/search/search.pl
there is a 74 wagon in the local yard with that tan interior  no it does not have the delux  but if you  need some other  parts i can check on them  head liner has a hole   look like a mouse took a bite. front seats shot but back might be ok.
phil

Thanks for the link, I will go check it out!

As far as parts that I need. I need the back plastic panel that covers the back hatch hinges. I have one but it is broken on one corner so it hangs down a bit, and the PO painted it black. It is usable but I would like to replace it one day. I would love to have the back brown seats too. Only bad thing about needing these 2 items is the cost of shipping for such large parts, specially the seats! So for now we will have to skip them! I would have you take pics first before pulling anything though. I wouldn't want you to go through the trouble of pulling stuff, and it end up being the wrong color brown! LOL

What I really need but I doubt you can get them off with out breaking them, if they are even there, is the hinge piece that holds the pop out window in to the body! If you can get those, that would be great!!

The headliner would be great to have too, but they are a pain to pull without ripping them. That is why I figure I will make one!!

Oh, I may need the seat belts out of it. I need to check if I have a tan set, but if not I could use the the fronts for sure! I will have to also check the car and see if I would need the backs! I will let you know later if I need them! I am also not sure if a set for a 72 sedan will be the same as the wagon. I would think they would be? The covers are gone on my wagon so I don't know what they are supposed to look like. I figure if I have the set out of the sedan, I would just see if they will work!

I also can't spend a lot on it right now! Hubby would have a fit if I started pouring money into it, with out even having it running yet! LOL

Thanks!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

phils toys

looks like a good project for you  try this link for the paint
http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/cgi-bin/search/search.pl
there is a 74 wagon in the local yard with that tan interior  no it does not have the delux  but if you  need some other  parts i can check on them  head liner has a hole   look like a mouse took a bite. front seats shot but back might be ok.
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

blupinto

All I'd be paying for is shipping! I did some gardening work for her and she owes me a little money. Anyway it's rude to refuse gifts! lol.  :lol:
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on July 27, 2009, 01:07:31 AM
I know! (using guilt-inspiring tone of voice) lol. Now- did you read what I wrote? I'm DONATING IT!!! Consider it a wagon-warming gift! lol. Remember- I helped sdend JuJu so it's only right that I offer a gift to you and her. The ball's not that big- maybe the size of a raquet ball. I wasn't suggesting you put it on the mirror. I was thinking over the rear seat area or further back. Fuzzy dice would look kewl on the mirror! lol.  :hypno:

Hehe, yah I read what you said, but I know how your funds are right now! So I didn't want you to spend money you didn't have too!!  ;D

Hey, that is a good idea, I can hang it from one of the headliner bows!! I will sew in a holder for it when I get around to "attempting" a headliner!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

I know! (using guilt-inspiring tone of voice) lol. Now- did you read what I wrote? I'm DONATING IT!!! Consider it a wagon-warming gift! lol. Remember- I helped sdend JuJu so it's only right that I offer a gift to you and her. The ball's not that big- maybe the size of a raquet ball. I wasn't suggesting you put it on the mirror. I was thinking over the rear seat area or further back. Fuzzy dice would look kewl on the mirror! lol.  :hypno:
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on July 27, 2009, 12:48:07 AM
How about SHAGWAG or SHAG WAG? If you want it I'll donate the disco ball! My friend who has the shop near me (Vintage Sanctuary) sells them. She finds such cool stuff. When I go to my car show this coming Sunday I'll be sporting some of the things I bought from her. Kim you'd love her shop. It's crammed full of great stuff from the '40s and '50s through the 80s. Lots of '70s stuff. I hear you on the ipod thing. I miss music in my Pinto Girls! I just thought the 8-track would complement the look.  ;D

You are right, it would defenitly compliment the look, but I will need to find another 8 track, so for now, it will be the cassette! LOL

As far as the disco ball, yah if you can get one cheap enough, I will buy it from you!! I would most likely only put it in at a show or something though, may be to "eye catching" for cops! LOL You know, it is actually illegal to hang stuff from the mirrors! LOL Like who doesn't!! LOL

Your friends shop sound cool, would love to see it one day! Maybe the next time I am only 150 miles from SD, will have to come check it out! LOL Can't beleive I was that close to SD getting this Pinto! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

How about SHAGWAG or SHAG WAG? If you want it I'll donate the disco ball! My friend who has the shop near me (Vintage Sanctuary) sells them. She finds such cool stuff. When I go to my car show this coming Sunday I'll be sporting some of the things I bought from her. Kim you'd love her shop. It's crammed full of great stuff from the '40s and '50s through the 80s. Lots of '70s stuff. I hear you on the ipod thing. I miss music in my Pinto Girls! I just thought the 8-track would complement the look.  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on July 27, 2009, 12:24:14 AM
Oh Kimmy! I'm so happy for you! Think of this baby as a Shagadelic project! Tie dye headliner, two-tone green shag carpet, 8-track player, disco mirror ball hanging from the headliner, As for her green color, I think it's 4B- Bright Green Gold Metallic.

LOL Thanks Becky!!! I thought about a disco ball too! Too funny!!!! I have to say though, the 8 track is going to be out with this car! I am going to use one of my already cut bezels and install my purple cassette deck into this one!! I will try to take a pic of the deck tomorrow! LOL It is pretty cool. Hubby bought it for me a long time ago and it has only been used a short time in my old bug. When I sold the bug, I kept the stereo. I figure I could still play my ipod with a cassette adaptor, but have the luxury of FM radio! LOL

Thanks for the color type. I think you are right! It is defenitly metalic green!

I wanted to get personalized plates that said SHGN WGN, but they are already taken. When I mentioned getting personalized plates to hubby, he about had a fit! He said that he didn't want me to get another set because of how expensive it is to register a car normally, let alone to do it with a personalized plate!   He is right, but I figure, what is one more! LOL BUT to keep the piece and make it to where he is willing to go 1000 miles to get Pintos, I will stick with the plates DMV sends me! LOL I will just get a license plate frame for NOW!! LOL Maybe someday down the road, the economy will come back and they will lower the fees! Ok, I can dream can't I? LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Oh Kimmy! I'm so happy for you! Think of this baby as a Shagadelic project! Tie dye headliner, two-tone green shag carpet, 8-track player, disco mirror ball hanging from the headliner, As for her green color, I think it's 4B- Bright Green Gold Metallic.
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

your welcome. I am really glad i was able to help you out Kim.

dga57

Looks pretty good to me!  Have fun working on her!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

pintogirl

Here we go again! LOL Another Pinto project!!  ;D Haven't even finished any of the others, and I bought one more!!  ;D

Thanks to 75bobcatv6 I got me a wagon finally!! Bob (hubby) and I drove 850 miles round trip to pick it up!!

She needs some work but it will be fun doing the work on her!! She was originally a metallic light green with a cream brown inside. The PO primered her grey and started painting the inside black. Her seats are ripped, but nothing a Wally World seat cover can't fix for now! LOL The back seat appears to be out of a different wagon, it's black! I will probably keep the inside black for now, but when I find the cruzin panels for the car, I may go back to the cream brown! The PO never got to the dash, so it is brown and kinda looks odd with all the black around it. I won't paint it black because I'm not one for switching colors from the original. I just think it looks tacky when the paint starts to wear and you can see the original color under the "new" color!

This was a squire at one time, but somebody has removed all the panels and trim. The sad thing is, they clipped off all the studs that used to hold trim on. Even removed what ever held the "slats" of the roof rack on. So I will have to most likely pop rivot the slats on (once I find some! LOL) I do have the outer rails for the rack though so I will be cleaning it up and putting it back on eventually!! I need something to tie my surf board too! LOL Cowabunga dude!!!  :coolrasta: ;D

Here are a few pic that I took of her today and some from yesterday when we were loading her on the trailer!!

First off, I love this sticker!! Really fits the car right now!! LOL Bad thing is, when I washed the window with cleaner, the ink started coming off the sticker, so I don't think it will make it to the final stage! LOL


Let the loading begin!!!



Shew, all loaded!


Here are some of her bad points!


This one is actually worse in person. But not so bad that it can't be fixed!!!


This one has me puzzled, it doesn't seem like it is bondoed but it appears to be. The thing is, the door shuts solid and doesn't move, so I can't figure out how this is broke?? I will have to get into that later!


Good thing I am going to make this a "cruzin wagon", the pop out window on the driver side is missing its hinge thingy's!


Here are some pics of the inside! The headliner and carpet are all gone!! You know what that means?? Shag time!!! :afro: ;D LOL
I am thinking of trying to make my own headliner too!! I pieced together the Ghost's headliner, so I think it would be fun to try to make a whole headliner out of maybe a tie dyed sheet or something!!! LOL ( I tie dye stuff, so it would be fun!)




The PO started to put this steering wheel and column in the car. It had a chunk out of the wheel, but I found that on the floor, so I "mighty mended" it back on and I will just put a steering wheel cover over it! LOL Low buck here!!  :look:




The passenger side had the door panel on, but I haven't looked at it close yet to see if it had been painted black or if it is black. The only other panel I have like it, is a cream colored one, which was probably what the pass. side was?


I think these seats were out of a later model year, maybe a 74 or 5. I have the doors, back door, back inside panels and hood to this car too. They were in the parts that I got with the car!




That's all the pics I have taken so far! I am going to give the car an ajax and scouring pad bath tomorrow, to hopefully knock some of the rust off for now! I will eventually sand and primer it, but for now I am doing a quicky wash. I have to wash all my Pintos in the next week and get them ready for the news on Sunday! LOL That is another thread though! Anyway, I will take some more outside pics after the bath!

So far my plans are to put a 2.0 in her. I figure it is the easiest thing to do to get her going, since that's what she was originally. I also plan on repainting her to her original green paint. I just need to find the paint code for her! She isn't really a lime, but isn't a dark green either.

More updates as she comes along!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA