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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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blupinto

As  for the coolant, it's really thickish so it's sadly not just a couple drops in it.  :(
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Fred, it's really time for you to all move over here. SD County has the bestest Pintos... ;D

Bonsall or Fallbrook. Then I could come and a)  harass you and play with or steal-I mean look at your Pintos, and b)  help with your packing parts to ship. You live too far away!  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Thank you Joe. Your words give me a glimmer of hope.

          I try not to air my personal laundry here but today was a doozy! The stupid bank sent me the Making Home Affordable checklist (and papers needing signatures) just yesterday. When I was in similar trouble in '02 Countrywide reworked the loan and HUD paid what I was behind on, on the stipulation that it's paid a) when I sell the house; b) when I refinance;or c) whenever- I can send monthly payments. It's a lien or debt on the house. So why is BFofA  being @%$$^&  about it? They know I'm employed by the State of California, and the State of California has a number of employees (a vast majority!) that have had an almost 15% paycut (I don't mean to minimalize anyone else's pain. I know I'm still fortunate to an extent). I'm not a morning person, so this was a shock to the system!


          Ok ok enough bellyaching! Joe, blown head gasket or cracked head? or is it hard to determine? The car seemed to run pretty strong (for a '73 4-banger!). I saw no water in the oil (as checked by dipstick) but I realize that doesn't necessarily mean anything. I need some he-men! That rebuilt 2.0 is heavy! lol.
One can never have too many Pintos!

Fred Morgan

Becky I have 2 eng. hoist would gladly loan 1 but your there and I am here.  Fred   :)
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Pintosopher

Quote from: blupinto on January 16, 2010, 03:00:19 PM
I haven't posted on this thread for awhile, but it definitely falls in the category of project.

            I drained and removed the radiator this morning and noticed a couple things:  1) the coolant was brown with rust, and 2) every now and then a darkish "glob" would pop out of the petcock. The fluid also had an off smell, and while coolant doesn't have a very pleasant scent to humans this smelled, well, different. Then my socket wrench extension dropped (why not?) into the pan of drained coolant. After I rinsed the extension off I noticed it was oily and it left a residue  on the cloth I dried it on. By this time I have a dreadful hunch. Then I looked at the pan of fluid and it had a definite oily look to it. Well, that would explain my rapid oil loss. It might also explain why the radiator solder split. This has been one of the most rottenest days of my life. It wasn't enough that BFofA (take a wild guess what that stands for!) sent me a certified letter Notice Of Intent To Accelerate on my mortgage if I don't come up with a little over $4,500 by February 10.  This after I contacted them about my hardship a month ago and applied for the Making Home Affordable thing.  Naturally my settlement is nowhere NEAR to arriving, and by the time I do get it it might be too  late.


                 I'm sorry for adding the last bit about my troubles. I just got that stupid thing this morning- and I DID send them a mortgage payment at the beginning of this month.


                             Anyway... back to Meanie's trouble- I'm guessing blown head gasket or cracked head. The good news is I have another 2.0 that, according to BadWaterBob, is a recently-rebuilt one. The bad news is, I don't have a cherrypicker and callot afford to rent one. Due to my elbow injury I should have help to do a swap.  Pray for me.  :'(

Sorry to hear the News Becky,
  I had the same problem with my Original engine in My Pinto when it was a Stock motor. Two weeks later I found my Race engine in a street 73 sedan , the original  builder told me where to find it (Estate sale. long story) so I popped for the whole car at 450 bucks and got a Bluprinted race motor With Dual carbs and lots of spare goodies ! Karma has a way of righting itself , trust me , I have had too many examples of Divine Justice just leave me in awe.
The Banking thing is just static in the broadcast of Life. You'll be hearing your music , SIRIUS style soon!

Best wishes ,
Pintosopher ...  :angel:  always hoisting something :drunk:
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

blupinto

I haven't posted on this thread for awhile, but it definitely falls in the category of project.

            I drained and removed the radiator this morning and noticed a couple things:  1) the coolant was brown with rust, and 2) every now and then a darkish "glob" would pop out of the petcock. The fluid also had an off smell, and while coolant doesn't have a very pleasant scent to humans this smelled, well, different. Then my socket wrench extension dropped (why not?) into the pan of drained coolant. After I rinsed the extension off I noticed it was oily and it left a residue  on the cloth I dried it on. By this time I have a dreadful hunch. Then I looked at the pan of fluid and it had a definite oily look to it. Well, that would explain my rapid oil loss. It might also explain why the radiator solder split. This has been one of the most rottenest days of my life. It wasn't enough that BFofA (take a wild guess what that stands for!) sent me a certified letter Notice Of Intent To Accelerate on my mortgage if I don't come up with a little over $4,500 by February 10.  This after I contacted them about my hardship a month ago and applied for the Making Home Affordable thing.  Naturally my settlement is nowhere NEAR to arriving, and by the time I do get it it might be too  late.


                 I'm sorry for adding the last bit about my troubles. I just got that stupid thing this morning- and I DID send them a mortgage payment at the beginning of this month.


                             Anyway... back to Meanie's trouble- I'm guessing blown head gasket or cracked head. The good news is I have another 2.0 that, according to BadWaterBob, is a recently-rebuilt one. The bad news is, I don't have a cherrypicker and callot afford to rent one. Due to my elbow injury I should have help to do a swap.  Pray for me.  :'(
One can never have too many Pintos!

dholvrsn

Makes me think of assembling and trouble shooting computers at a place that was called Compaq when I started working there and was called HP when they closed the plant.

Since then I bought a Dual G5 and an iBook. My Mom got an iMac for Christmas and my nieces got a Mac Mini for another Christmas.
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blupinto

I, ah, er... pulled the plug that screws into the back of the 'puter. Lotsa little wires and such came out with it...  ::) I was a bad girl. No. I was a MAD girl!  >:( >:( >:( Good Riddance!  I miss hanging out with y'all though. That is my only regret!
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

Quote from: blupinto on November 19, 2009, 03:49:54 PM
Oh, 75Bob, that dumb 'puter needs more than refurbishing- it need resurrecting. I lost my temper on it because it gave me hours of virtual head banging on the wall for naught. Oh well, time for a more efficiend model and NO PHONE MODEM!!! Never again!  >:( I will transfer the data on the hard drive to a disc to put on the new 'puter whenever I'll get one. Wish I were a computer geek. The 'puter might not be dead now...
What did you do to it becky?

71pintoracer

Grinding and popping out of gear is not normal. :P I have several transmissions, come on over and get one. :)
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

blupinto

In other news... I drove Meanie around again and noticed something a little disconcerting. She popped out of reverse twice and the third time I kept my hand on the shifter. Is this normal? My backing-up history in this car is minimal so for all I know this is normal. There's also a tad of grinding.  :-\
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Oh, 75Bob, that dumb 'puter needs more than refurbishing- it need resurrecting. I lost my temper on it because it gave me hours of virtual head banging on the wall for naught. Oh well, time for a more efficiend model and NO PHONE MODEM!!! Never again!  >:( I will transfer the data on the hard drive to a disc to put on the new 'puter whenever I'll get one. Wish I were a computer geek. The 'puter might not be dead now...
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

Becky i just finished refurbishing a laptop what ails your computer? anything i can do to help? hope all goes well with the car though. I dont know what to tell you about the clutch. or the trans problem you have. Im a computer geek first. car nut second lol. I code and rebuild computers.

blupinto

Yesterday I adjusted the locknuts and adjusting nut on the clutch cable. The Chilton's book said to leave a space of 1/4 inch between the adjusting nut and the clutch housing. The adjusting nut was flush against the housing til I adjusted it. Then for laughs I thought I'd check the transmission fluid level- and it was practically empty! After replacing the gear oil I drove her today and the clutch pedal feels different, and I've accidentally put her in the wrong gear twice.but had one time the difficulty in getting her into 1st.


I'm without a computer for now so I'll try to drop in anytime I can. I already miss you guys and I thank you for your help. :)
One can never have too many Pintos!

Srt

"...I looked in all my Pinto repair books (Chilton's, Haynes, Clymer) and I found no torque specifications . I have a feeling I'm doing something wrong but I don't know what..."

Becky take a trip to the local library and see if they have any "MOTOR MANUAL" books.  These are a line of manuals that are not availale to the general public but are a true god-send to the professional mechanic. 

If you have a County Public Library near you it might be a good thing to check out. 

Also.  On tightening those bolts.  If you do not have a torque wrench then use a 'box' wrench and put as much into it as you can.
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Pintosopher

Quote from: pintogirl on November 16, 2009, 02:12:20 PM

Ok, but what about the 74 2.0 clutch cable?
Kim ,
See New thread, Old Topic ,New solution a clutching problem

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Pintosopher

Quote from: pintogirl on November 16, 2009, 02:12:20 PM

Ok, but what about the 74 2.0 clutch cable?
Well, since 74 was a Crossover  year for engines (2.0 &2.3L) it would depend on which bell housing,cable with throwout arm was used. I have a 75 style bell housing with the slot in my spares but it's not been checked for a 2.0L fitment
It's about as confusing as 74 motor mounts for the two engines ???

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

pintogirl

Quote from: pintosopher on November 16, 2009, 02:01:12 PM
Kim,
  The cable for the 76 2.3l will be sized for the different Bell Housing and possibly different throwout arm used on the 2.3l. The Sheath and cable length ratios could be different, along with the Adjustment nut that only fits the 75 & later Bell Housing cable loop.
My best guess is that we'll need to have cables custom made for the 71-73 cars, or  :hypno: switch to hydraulic throwout bearings and/or Master/Slave cylinders (Tooo Costly!)

This is , of course , assuming someone hasn't modified a 75 or later cable to work with the early 2.0l setup.

Any takers?

Pintosopher


Ok, but what about the 74 2.0 clutch cable?
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Pintosopher

Quote from: pintogirl on November 16, 2009, 01:40:12 PM
Dumb Question,  Will a 1976 2.3 Squire Wagon Clutch Cable work???

http://www2.partstrain.com/store/details/Ford/Pinto/Beck_Arnley/Clutch_Cable/1976/Squire/4_Cyl_2-dot-3L/093-6010.html

Or I found a 1974 2.0 Pinto Clutch Cable  http://www2.partstrain.com/store/?Ntt=clutch+cable&x=31&y=18&N=0


Kim,
  The cable for the 76 2.3l will be sized for the different Bell Housing and possibly different throwout arm used on the 2.3l. The Sheath and cable length ratios could be different, along with the Adjustment nut that only fits the 75 & later Bell Housing cable loop.
My best guess is that we'll need to have cables custom made for the 71-73 cars, or  :hypno: switch to hydraulic throwout bearings and/or Master/Slave cylinders (Tooo Costly!)

This is , of course , assuming someone hasn't modified a 75 or later cable to work with the early 2.0l setup.

Any takers?

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

pintogirl

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

71pintoracer

Good luck trying to find a cable, new or used!
Becky, here are some things to try, lets diagnose first.
With the car at idle, trans in neutral, let the clutch out, push it to the floor and count to three. Now try to shift into reverse, it should go in with no grinding.
If it does, adjustment is OK, could be a syncronizer problem in the trans.
Also, with the car in first and holding the brake, ease the clutch up until you feel it just start to engage. The pedal should be just about halfway up. If it is close to the floor or way up you need to adjust it.
Lastly is the "free play". When you first step on the pedal, there should be about 1/2" of free movement before you feel resistance on the pedal.
The reason it's harder to get into first gear is because of the lower ratio. My Dad taught me to shift into third, then go to first, and shift into second before going into reverse.
Hope this helps, gotta run, I'm at work sneaking some "Pinto Time in on my laptop!! :lol: :lol:
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

Pintosopher

Quote from: blupinto on November 16, 2009, 01:29:23 AM
I have located her cable, and where the adjustment nuts are. I'll be kind of busy tomorrow but I'll look to see if there's a clip. If it's maxed out (the spring near the adjusting nuts are looks like it's mooshed together) where can I locate another cable on the, er, cheap? (hopefully this won't result in a barrage of abuse!) lol.  ;D You might've cured my Green Meanie, Matty. Once again my hero.  :)
Becky ,
The Chiltons manual I have for 71-72 cars only says the cables with clips were for cars made before October 1970. 71-74 cars had the double nut arrangment.The 1975-76 cars had a Nylon nut and a Different Bell housing cable holder with a Slot cut through to the Hole for the cable.

Good luck finding this cable, It's not available through a few sources I've checked.

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

blupinto

I have located her cable, and where the adjustment nuts are. I'll be kind of busy tomorrow but I'll look to see if there's a clip. If it's maxed out (the spring near the adjusting nuts are looks like it's mooshed together) where can I locate another cable on the, er, cheap? (hopefully this won't result in a barrage of abuse!) lol.  ;D You might've cured my Green Meanie, Matty. Once again my hero.  :)
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Yup, exact same thing. I thought I needed a clutch or worse, a new tranny but it was just the cable. The cable is mounted externally. There should be a lever on the outside that the cable hooks on to. I don't know where that would be since my Harold II is an automatic, but if you follow the cable going from the clutch pedal you should be able to easily find it...

BTW, you can try to adjust it but more than likely if the cable is original there is a good chance it's stretched to the max.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

But why only when I put it into 1st from a stop? According to Chilton's the cable can be adjusted but there's a locknut and another nut on the cable, and what if the cable IS stretched to its limit? Is this something to where I have to remove the clutch to replace the cable?


          Matty, thank you for the imput. Hopefully this will be something I can do myself. Any imput or advice is welcome.  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Your situation sounds EXACTLY like a problem I had on my 1985 Omni GLH Turbo. While I know it is front wheel drive and a Dodge instead of a Ford I am sure the same basics would apply.

When my pedal when clear to the floor turns out the cable was stretched too much. Put a new cable on her & she shifted perfect once again.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

Can anybody shed light on this? I have noticed lately that when I drive Meanie now and then the gearshift won't go in the #1 slot when I'm starting from a standstill. The gearshift goes into the #2, #3 and #4 positions fine but sometimes #1 is like trying to walk through a wall. Eventually, usually with force, I'm able to get the shifter in #1 but I'm afraid I might be harming the transmission. Sometimes there's gear grinding- not much, thank goodness, but dreadful all the same. Could my clutch be failing, or is it a clutch cable adjustment that needs doing, or can it be something else? My Chilton's book says only so much...It would be great to have a mechanically-inclined person familiar with Pintos guide me through fixing this problem. The last thing I need is to be stranded because the clutch failed. On a related note the '73 Owner's Manual tells me to put the clutch pedal all the way down to the floor, and that's what I've been doing. Thank you for any help you can give me.If it's a simple case of adjusting the cable I might need step-by-step instructions til I know what I'm doing.  ???
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Yes, I am... Like mother, like son lol... She taught me the art of peep microwaving lol
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

Matty, you're one sick lil' dude.  :D
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Quote from: blupinto on August 28, 2009, 11:58:11 PM
Now THAT's what I call a Gov't Mule! lol. A hybrid if there ever was one!

Peep...  a sugar-coated delight that'll probably be the death of me if the gummi bears don't get me first! lol.


I enjoy the marshmellow peeps as well. Stick them in the microwave and watch them puff up & catch fire!
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress