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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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TIGGER

Looks like a pretty decent car.  Please post some pics of the interior when you get a chance.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

pintogirl

Ok, I got her!!!! Well, kind of! LOL  We went and picked her up and it was pouring down rain. I took the below photos and then ran back into the tow truck, to let hubby finish hooking her up!! LOL Hubby is supposed to be calling me to let me know if she had a/c or not! So far I havn't heard from him, but hopefully I'll know by tonight. I'll try to get interior shots another day. For now here is the outside!!






She looks to be in good body condition, only thing I can see is a dent in the rear quater panel, which we will not save anyway, and a dent on the top of the passenger fender. So we will most likely take that fender off too, since it probably could be fixed, if not just popped out!

Not sure when we will start parting her out yet. Weather will play a big part in that!! LOL

Oh, so far the only thing I plan on keeping is the gas cap and the horn button!!  ;D

Kim
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

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75bobcatv6

Quote from: pintogirl on February 12, 2009, 09:02:53 PM
Awesome!!! You have your GrandParents car??? That is so cool!!! I would love to find my Mom and Dads Pinto!! My Dad teases me that the way I am finding Pintos I just may find it!! LOL

Try taking a macro picture of the picture!! Sometimes they don't come out to bad!!!!

Kim

Kim,
  I have my fathers Bobcat =) Sold it too me 3 years ago now.

dave1987

Awesome! Be sure to take pictures! :D

I wish I would have taken lots of pictures of the cars I parted out for my own car, but i didn't think of it until recently.

At least then those cars wouldn't be forgotten, and they would have some sort of "memorial" to be remembered by. Look at me, talking about Pintos like they are people. I've gone way over the top haven't I? lol



Actually my grandparents bought the car for my mom as a graduation present in 1978, when she graduated from Boise State University that summer. The car remained in her MAIDEN name until last July, where she signed it over to me as a gift, and I am the the second owner of the car. Still, being the second owner of the car, it is still in the biological family that it started in. That is the number one reason why I will never, ever, sell my Pinto. I know almost every major event that has happened to the car, documentation to about 90% of all the work done to it, and I even have dozens of little stories about the car that would otherwise never have been passed on.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

Ok, Hubby made a deal with the business, the car is basically ours. We do have to part it out because it is clearing on a junk slip! We are going to go get it on his lunch hour on Monday!!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: dave1987 on February 12, 2009, 07:46:34 PM
I had no clue what-so-ever what my Pinto was until my mom gave me some original pictures of the car that her mom took when they picked it up at the dealership back in 78. It isn't that noticeable at first, but to the trained eye, there is a PONY decal on the fender just below the body line. I will have those pictures scanned and posted in my project log eventually, the scanner is just a pain to use.

Awesome!!! You have your GrandParents car??? That is so cool!!! I would love to find my Mom and Dads Pinto!! My Dad teases me that the way I am finding Pintos I just may find it!! LOL

Try taking a macro picture of the picture!! Sometimes they don't come out to bad!!!!

Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dave1987

I had no clue what-so-ever what my Pinto was until my mom gave me some original pictures of the car that her mom took when they picked it up at the dealership back in 78. It isn't that noticeable at first, but to the trained eye, there is a PONY decal on the fender just below the body line. I will have those pictures scanned and posted in my project log eventually, the scanner is just a pain to use.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

Usually Ford put a decal on the fender of 'special' models like the Pony, MPG, ESS, and others, but not always. A wagon with windows and no wood is just a wagon, but you could get Pony and MPG wagons too. If it had wood, it's a Squire. If it had portholes, it was a Cruising Wagon. There were panel van versions of the wagon without portholes and no back seats. I know it was available in 78, I've seen one, but the 74 on e-bay is currently unconfirmed as factory original. A panel van shouldn't have a back seat. The ESS was a 79 special model, like a hatchback version of the cruising wagon, but not quite a rallye. The Rallye package changed a bit over the years. The Pony replaced the MPG sometime around 1977 as the "no frills" entry level econo-car, and had different interior fabric options and not many options were available at this level. The MPG was, as you could have guessed, directed at fuel mileage, it offered a different gear ratio and weight savings throughout the car. There was a special "Stallion" model in 1976, two tone black and silver, pimped out. And there was a "Sprint" version in 1972, white with blue hoodstripes and rocker panels and fancy red/white/blue interior. Ways I've researched different models:

Shop e-bay for literature and store inventory
Read Peterson's Complete book of Pinto (1975)
Search www.flickr.com and other internet photo sites like photobucket and jalopnik and wikpedia, etc. for "ford pinto"
Collect sales brochures and toys
Search www.youtube.com for "ford pinto"


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

pintogirl

Quote from: dave1987 on February 12, 2009, 06:56:29 PM
Chuck, I think that's why I have enjoyed watching your car evolve so much, because our cars are so much alike.

Mine was a PONY model, plastic rain gutter trim was the only "speciality" exterior trim on the car aside from front and rear molding and had an AM radio in it (still have the radio in storage). I have since replaced it with the metal rain gutter trim. Like you, I have added the chrome turn signal handle, chrome handle ash tray, cigar lighter, lockable glove box knob (also need to take to lock smith, but will be $35 to do), A/C vents, sport mirrors, a ralley steering wheel, center console, and modified Mustang II/Pinto shifter.

Our cars are becoming quite similar, Chuck! :D



Back on topic....

If you get this car, would you possibly be able to see if the rubber plugs around the ignition control module are still there? I'm still looking for one specific one, between the box and the firewall.

Ok, what is this "Pony" and all? How do you find out what your car was and what are all the names???

Back on topic, LOL Yes, I'll check that!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dave1987

Chuck, I think that's why I have enjoyed watching your car evolve so much, because our cars are so much alike.

Mine was a PONY model, plastic rain gutter trim was the only "speciality" exterior trim on the car aside from front and rear molding and had an AM radio in it (still have the radio in storage). I have since replaced it with the metal rain gutter trim. Like you, I have added the chrome turn signal handle, chrome handle ash tray, cigar lighter, lockable glove box knob (also need to take to lock smith, but will be $35 to do), A/C vents, sport mirrors, a ralley steering wheel, center console, and modified Mustang II/Pinto shifter.

Our cars are becoming quite similar, Chuck! :D



Back on topic....

If you get this car, would you possibly be able to see if the rubber plugs around the ignition control module are still there? I'm still looking for one specific one, between the box and the firewall.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

I've been adding bits of luxury to my Pinto since I got it. I have a Fairmont glove box light, a glove box lock (need to take to locksmith to match my trunk key) cigar lighter, ashtray with chrome knob, turn signal lever with chrome knob, I have the factory sport remote mirrors from an 80 wagon (they need to be painted and the right glass needs replaced) but that's not what's on the car, deluxe bumper group (rub strips and guards) and "wood" shift knob and e-brake knob, colored dome light bezel, a/c style vents, pinstripes (blue),and day/night mirror. I've also toyed with the idea of adding stuff from other ford/gm cars like under dash lights (for the floor) and under hood/trunk lights. My car was a base model, one step up from the Pony, it was a radio delete, no a/c, no power options car. It came with chrome (plastic) raingutter trim and lower window trim, a cubby where the radio goes, vinyl interior with black belts, dome light, and e-brake boot. It had no other trim or adornments, just a "Plain Jane" Pinto.


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

lol! That's what I've pretty much got when I'm not sitting in the driver's seat. ;)

I would really love to have under the hood and trunk lighting, but I have yet to run across a Pinto with any of these features aside from the passenger side door switch.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

Quote from: dave1987 on February 12, 2009, 05:53:52 PM
I have been wanting this convenience lighting group as well. Lighting for the ash tray and glove box, I think it might have a map light too.

OHhh, ok! I get it now! Thanks. Couldn't tell you guy's if it had it or not! Boy, can't wait till Monday!! LOL I'm so wanting to know if it has these things!! If it doesn't I will sell you my version of convenience lighting!!!! It's called a flashlight!!!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dave1987

I have been wanting this convenience lighting group as well. Lighting for the ash tray and glove box, I think it might have a map light too.

EDIT: Going through my brochure...

intermittent wipers
cigar lighter
visor vanity mirror
day/night rearview mirror
combination dome/map reading lamp
lights in the lockable glove box, ash tray, under the hood, in the trunk or cargo area
courtesy light switch on passenger door (on liftgate of runabout)
"headlights on" warning buzzer
pivoting quarter windows with bright frames

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

I forgot to ask you Chuck, what is the "convenience lighting group?
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: dave1987 on February 12, 2009, 05:42:29 PM
If you get it and decide to part it out, and it has healthy tail light lenses, I got dibs on 'em! ;)

Big black box on the passender side fender? I believe what you are talking about would be the air duct. It supplies the fresh air intake for the carb, as it has a duct from the air cleaner cover which connects to the "box" on the fender.

Ok, you get the tail lights if they are still good. I didn't get a good look at them (do you see a pattern here? LOL) as they had the car backed into a  chain link fence. Hopefully "they" didn't break them because of it!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dave1987

If you get it and decide to part it out, and it has healthy tail light lenses, I got dibs on 'em! ;)

Big black box on the passender side fender? I believe what you are talking about would be the air duct. It supplies the fresh air intake for the carb, as it has a duct from the air cleaner cover which connects to the "box" on the fender.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

Quote from: discolives78 on February 12, 2009, 05:10:04 PM
77? alright. I used to have a red 75 sedan with a black interior, factory ac, 4 speed. does it have the deluxe interior or convenience lighting group? I'm looking for a lit ashtray and the dual vents for the center of the dash above the radio that a/c cars had. And I'm still looking for the vinyl top trim. Dave1987 is looking for a left taillight lens. Hope you get it!

Chuck

I believe it is a non deluxe. It has the round horn button, but it has a chrome fancy thing in it instead of a horse! I can't really say for sure if it has A/C. I think it did, but I didn't look at the dash that close. For some reason I am thinking that the controls for the heater almost looked the same as mine but in plastic. The engine is what I thought had the A/C unit in it, but then again, it could have been smog pump or power steering pump that I saw. I did notice that there was a big black box like thing on the passenger fender. Don't know what that was, but was thinking maybe it had something to do with a/c?? To be honest, when I was looking at the motor, I looked to see if it was a 2.3 then I looked to see what blupinto was in for when doing a timing belt replacement!!!! LOL  I noticed it had no room and alot more pumps and such on it! LOL Also I don't think it had a vinyl top!

I hope I get it too.
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

discolives78

77? alright. I used to have a red 75 sedan with a black interior, factory ac, 4 speed. does it have the deluxe interior or convenience lighting group? I'm looking for a lit ashtray and the dual vents for the center of the dash above the radio that a/c cars had. And I'm still looking for the vinyl top trim. Dave1987 is looking for a left taillight lens. Hope you get it!

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

pintogirl

Ok, I may be getting a 77 Red Sedan. Has black interior. The seats are vinyl and also tore up, I think the padding is good on them though. As far as body wise, I only noticed a dented pass. fender. I can't really say to much more for the fact that we kinda just gave it a glance. Hubby is going to call the owner of the business we found it at, and talk to him about getting it. We won't be able to actually get it till after Monday the 16th though.

Depending on how hubby does it, this will most likely be a parting out car! We plan on seeing if the 2.3 motor and tranny are any good and if so I plan on putting them in one of my other Pintos!! I really like the automatics!!!  ;D Other then that, we will be parting the rest.

I figured I would let you all know, even though we don't have it yet, so we can start seeing what everyone wants off of it!!  ;D

I will take pics of it once we can go pick it up!!

Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA