Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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r4pinto

Carolina Boy, I sent ya and email.

Thanks  ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Carolina Boy

Hey r4pinto, I got a complete assmbly. Make an offer. sharpe53@hotmail.com
I'm offering because pintogirl hasn't got one and I want to help.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on March 29, 2009, 09:38:31 PM
Kim, got a question about a couple parts... First, is the license place light there? If so what is the condition of it & the bracket that mounts it to the underside of the bumper? Mine on my 77 are long since missing. Oh, and what kind of condition is the battery tray in? Just a thought on it lol

I was just re reading this thread to see who all wanted what, and I could have swore I answered you questions, but I don't see my reply! Or maybe I PM'd you! LOL So here is the answer, forgive me if I already answered! LOL

The battery tray is history, and I sold the bumper, so I believe the light is gone with it!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Kim, got a question about a couple parts... First, is the license place light there? If so what is the condition of it & the bracket that mounts it to the underside of the bumper? Mine on my 77 are long since missing. Oh, and what kind of condition is the battery tray in? Just a thought on it lol
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

78squirewagon

I dont care if they are dinged up and rusty. It's for my 150.oo coupe and the drivers rear is missing. The other ones are hanging on LOL!! Anything will be better than nothing   ;D
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

pintogirl

Quote from: 78squirewagon on March 28, 2009, 06:51:55 AM
Any parts left that I might be able to use on my 78 coupe? I am mainly looking for the drives side rear wheel well molding. I could also use the passenger side window crank handle, a rear floor mat and a set of ralley trim rings and center caps  ;D

It has it's wheel well molding still, but I think it has dings in it!! I don't remember if it has its cranks, I will try to check tomorrow!! I don't beleive it has stock floor mats, I will have to check on that too. I know for sure it has stock rims with the the full style hub caps.

I will try to take some pics of the wheel well molding to see if it is what you want tomorrow!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

78squirewagon

Any parts left that I might be able to use on my 78 coupe? I am mainly looking for the drives side rear wheel well molding. I could also use the passenger side window crank handle, a rear floor mat and a set of ralley trim rings and center caps  ;D
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

discolives78

Likewise...saving nickels and dimes... :)

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

It's all good, I'm not in any hurry! :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

Just want to let you guy's know that I havn't forgot about you!!  Trying to get the Ghost ready for Knotts has kinda slowed me down on pulling parts!!

I only need to pull the fender and quarter panel trim peices for you Chuck.

Dave, I only need to pull the bezels and lenses away from the complete unit! LOL Kinda funny, I have the complete units in a box, just need to  pull them back out to do the disection!! LOL

I will get to it soon. I"m hoping to have the Ghost ready by next week!!! THen I can focus on the part pulling again!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

LOL, You guy's are too funny!!!  ;D

I am the one with the Green Machine!! Hey, at least you remembered it's name!! LOL I also have the ghost!!!

Anywaysssss, lol, I will be PM'ing you guy's some pics of what you asked for.

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Pintosopher

Carolina Boy,
Not to worry, It's just an affliction that comes with life experience.. It can be called  many things, I just call it "Wizenhiemers". If you drink enough, it evolves into other things ??? Just remember , everything in Moderation!

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

dave1987

I wouldn't blame it on old age quite yet Carolina Boy! I'm sure you've got a lot of years still in you! :D

I even get the two confused, and still don't know which one really has the Green Machine. lol
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Carolina Boy

This has been my day for senior moments, Blupinto :angel:, Pintogirl :angel:, I'm old, :drunk: coming down with that ailment where you can't remember, don't remember the name. :lol:
I will try again, Pintogirl, yes the first picture shows what I need. The rubber cover around the headlight and turn signals. It attaches to the fender. So it is a bezel? I would like them if they are available.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

dave1987

Those lenses look better than my driver's side one. Mine has a crack in it and a 1" piece missing along the bottom of the brake light!

The frames look better than mine too, I don't spot any damage from here, at least nothing a little polishing couldn't get out.

I wouldn't worry about the seals for them, I made new seals for mine with some insulating foam my dad had lying around. I just need the lenses and bezels/frames/trim/whatever you want to call them. lol
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

Actually, I was talking about the window frame next to and above the windows. My car doesn't have trim there, it's painted white. I already have the lower window trim (I had to get one for the passenger side with the indent for the sport mirrors). I'm in no big hurry right now, so just let me know. Thanks for thinking about me, though! :D

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

blupinto

CarolinaBoy, I think you mixed us up! lol. I never had a '77 or '78. If Mom let me get that beautiful blue '77 in '89...

    Anyway, when you say "door", do you mean the "frame" around the headlight? On the early girls, the "frame" or bezel was 6-sided, 77-78 were roundish-squarish, and '79-80 were square lights and bezels. Or have I confused everyone? lol. 
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: discolives78 on February 17, 2009, 08:58:59 PM
That one's kinda cool! I would be interested in the chrome/red trim if the chrome isn't cracked too bad or peeling (I'm pretty sure they're just held on with adhesive) and I would also like the chrome trim from the door and quarter window frames if you can get them off (I should talk to Fred Morgan for advice first).

I'm with Dave, I like the 'dished' gauge pod on the base cluster. I've seen runabouts with the tach too, one orange v-6 76 many years ago (might've been a bobcat, can't remember). My 78 brochure shows a green runabout deluxe interior with rallye wheel, tach, and plaid seats (the wide low-back ones).

When it rains, it pours! When it stops raining, it's time to put out more buckets!

Chuck

Chuck, I only got one shot of the the red trim. It was getting dark by the time hubby got the car home. I couldn't really tell you how it all looks yet. I will check it out more tomorrow!!


On the chrome trim from the door, are you talking about the lower chrome on the door. Basically the peice that your arm would rest on if the window was down? If so, I may hold on to those for now, because my 72 has the same trim and I may need it if I mess mine up taking it off to paint the car!!! I will let you know for sure if I will be holding on to it, pending on how easy or hard it is to take it off!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Dave, here is a closer pic of the taillight lenses, still on the car. They don't look bad, but I want to see if they are stained from holding water!



Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: Carolina Boy on March 09, 2009, 08:35:52 AM
Blupinto,
You still got that 77, right? I have come in to a problem on my 78. I believe they're called headlight doors,(rubber covers around headlights ???), mine are torn and coming apart. Could you hold on to the ones on your 77, till I get some more money up, if you'll sale them, that is. :angel:

Ok, I hate to say it, but I don't know what you are talking about!! LOL I did take a pic of the front headlight area. Do you see what you are looking for, or is it behind the bezel???

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Carolina Boy

Blupinto,
You still got that 77, right? I have come in to a problem on my 78. I believe they're called headlight doors,(rubber covers around headlights ???), mine are torn and coming apart. Could you hold on to the ones on your 77, till I get some more money up, if you'll sale them, that is. :angel:
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

blupinto

LOL! How did I miss this thread!?!
You're gonna have to name your property Kim And Hubby's House Of Pintos, or Kim And Hubby's Pinto Heaven, or Kim And Hubby's Pinto Paradise (we cater to trunk models! lol!) or Kim And Hubby's Pinto Corral, or ....lol.

How do those armrests look? lol.

P.S. Your red armrests proudly rode with me on Baby's Official Maiden Voyage.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: dave1987 on March 08, 2009, 10:10:21 PM
Judging by the pictures, they appear to be pretty straight. Mine have some crinkle damage and deep scratches from when my brother had the car in autobody class.

I'm still very interested, and would be thrilled to get a decent set of lenses and housings!

Ok, let me see if I can get hubby to either bring the car home tomorrow or atleast take the lenses off. That way I can take better pics of them for you!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dave1987

Judging by the pictures, they appear to be pretty straight. Mine have some crinkle damage and deep scratches from when my brother had the car in autobody class.

I'm still very interested, and would be thrilled to get a decent set of lenses and housings!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

Quote from: dave1987 on February 12, 2009, 05:42:29 PM
If you get it and decide to part it out, and it has healthy tail light lenses, I got dibs on 'em! ;)

Big black box on the passender side fender? I believe what you are talking about would be the air duct. It supplies the fresh air intake for the carb, as it has a duct from the air cleaner cover which connects to the "box" on the fender.


Are you still interested in the lenses? If so, all you want is the lense itself, or do you want the whole housing? (Not sure how they came off the car yet, havn't looked at it.)

Hubby is talking about brining it home soon so we can start parting it out!!

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

TIGGER

I believe the tach was an option for the later years.  My 79 Bobcat hatchback came with the ralley gauges, and sport steering wheel.  It too was a deluxe interior car with the low buckets but I do not think that was part of the tach package. 
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

discolives78

That one's kinda cool! I would be interested in the chrome/red trim if the chrome isn't cracked too bad or peeling (I'm pretty sure they're just held on with adhesive) and I would also like the chrome trim from the door and quarter window frames if you can get them off (I should talk to Fred Morgan for advice first).

I'm with Dave, I like the 'dished' gauge pod on the base cluster. I've seen runabouts with the tach too, one orange v-6 76 many years ago (might've been a bobcat, can't remember). My 78 brochure shows a green runabout deluxe interior with rallye wheel, tach, and plaid seats (the wide low-back ones).

When it rains, it pours! When it stops raining, it's time to put out more buckets!

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

As a sedan, it probably doesn't have a tachometer in it. I believe the only Pintos with that type cluster were the Cruising Wagons, I may be wrong though.

I was thinking of putting one in my car, but I decided I didn't like the flat appearance of the gauge cluster on it.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

Quote from: dave1987 on February 17, 2009, 08:21:27 PM
It looks to be in great straight shape! If it has a good instrument cluster, there are a few wanted ads in the classifieds that people are looking for one.

I think it is in decent shape, but don't remember if it has a tach or not. I noticed some people want a tach!! I will check the wanted section once I know what I have!!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dave1987

It looks to be in great straight shape! If it has a good instrument cluster, there are a few wanted ads in the classifieds that people are looking for one.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!