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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Carolina Boy

Yep, going to restore with a few little hidden thangs known only to yall :devil:. The 76 has 14" Fairmont wheels. The rearend from the 76 (8"), is going to replace the 6 3/4. Also the little restrictive 1 1/2 exhaust will be increased to 2 1/2 w/o cat and headers added. At least it will sound good.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

discolives78

Are you restoring the 78? I like that year!

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

pintogirl

Very cool!!! Love that 2 tone color!!!  ;D Seriously though, it looks like a fun project!!! Congrats on getting it home!!!!

Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

One can never have too many Pintos!

Carolina Boy

My 1978 Pinto Hatchback is now in the yard! ;D Let the fun begin!!! :read: :lost: :lol:
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

Carolina Boy

Just posted in another forum.
The 76 will be used for parts. The interior will be used in my latest find, a 78 Hatch with 2.3/4 speed. After I take what I need from the 76, I will put any other parts left up for grabs. I will have a list in classified in a couple weeks. I will be cheap but honest :lol:
It is only fair to offer this to you after all the help and infomation yall have given me.

Carolina Boy :drunk:
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

Pintosopher

Carolina boy,
Sent you a Email reply to your address regarding your  PM questions.

" Keep wrenching"

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Carolina Boy

Will the windsheild from a 71 Pinto fit my 76?
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

78squirewagon

77-78's RULE!!! ;D  Sorry I had to throw that out there since I have one of each ;D  I cant wait to get the V-6 wagon on the road. If you like the headers on yours, let me know and I will look into putting them on the white wagon.


M
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

beegle55

Rough luck as turned itself around and now you have a solid 1976 to start with. Good looking car and a steal at $500... I have a soft spot for the '76 and '78 years. Better luck with this one...

    -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
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1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
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dga57

What a bummer!  All things considered, though, you really didn't do too badly.  You paid $350 for the '80 wagon and sold it for $500.  Don't know how much you spent on it fixing the "little problems" but you got one thrilling ride out of it (not many thing are more thrilling than riding on disintegrating tires)... even just to the gas station and back! 
Hope you have a lot better luck with your '76 Runabout!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Carolina Boy

Thanks for the congras and for all the help!!!!

Carolina Boy  8)
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

Pintosopher

Carolina Boy,
Sorry to hear about your misfortune, but look what "Karma" did for you in return! That v6 hatch is a is a peach, and you've got a head start on driveline strength.
The question about the steering rack is easily answered,No 71-72, No on 73's yes on 74-78 pinto racks. Apparently even the aftermarket Flaming River 2 Hole rack for mustang 2 will line up with 2 of the 3 crossmember holes. I hope you've got a stock crossmember, and stock spindles too.

Congrats on a great score..

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

Carolina Boy

Yes the car was a V6. Still thinking about a V8 but you never know when the government will raise the gas prices again. :mad:
Again I ask, will any Pinto or Mustangll rack work on the 76?
I have a line on a V6 (2.8) with 70,000 on it. Which four speed goes behind it? The auto shifter will not be used.

The dogs name is Stanley and he was my first rescue dog. I have another one now ,too, and his name is Jackson (Jack for short). After losing three other babies(Highway,Pokey, and Patches) to the tainted Chinese dog food, I dicided to give two rescue dogs new homes with me.

Should have the car home by next weekend and start diving in. More pictures will follow as I go along. :fastcar:

Carolina Boy
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

blupinto

I'm sorry to hear about the wagon, Carolina Boy, but I'm glad you bounced back! The '76 looks good. I hope it proves good too! BTW, who's the pooch next to you in your picture?
One can never have too many Pintos!

78squirewagon

I will take all of your broken engine parts unless you have thrown them out. I would like to get at least one more set of 2.3L pistons to make into stachions for my wagon.

NICE FIND ON THE OTHER PINTO!!!!  There are NO Pintos or bobcats to be found in WI. ;D ;D
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

dholvrsn

Dual exhaust? Was it a V6, or even a SBF swap, at one time?
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71HANTO



MAN...you Carolina Boys are wheeler dealers :hypno: Congrats!! I really like the rear spoiler on the back of this one. I planned on modifying the one I got from MAP351 to extend out past the trunk line just like yours. I look forward to seeing the progress :drunk:
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

pintogirl

Wow, that was quick!!!! LOL

She looks really nice!! Congrats!! Hopefully you can get her road worthy in no time!!

Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Carolina Boy

A couple more
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

Carolina Boy

Pictures from Carolina Boy
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

Carolina Boy

Yo pinto girl!!!!!!! and all you other guys.

I heard it calling and dang if I didn't hear it clear as a bell. Found another Pinto. This time it's a 1976 Hatchback that had a V6 auto. There is an 8" under it. The engine and trans are gone but the body is alright this time. All I need is a rack to make it a roller. Which racks fit on this car, (yes I know a 76 will fit)? Do they interchange? It wasn't power streering.

The 1980 was picked up this morning for a parts car. I sold every thing for $500, even after I told him what I found. I then went to look at the 1976 on Craigslist. Got this one for $200. It still has the dual exhaust. I checked this one out completely. I should  have better luck getting this one on the road! :fastcar:

Carolina Boy
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

pintogirl

Well that just sucks!!   :'( 

Well, keep an eye on CL. I have the CL reader and I can search all of USA with it. I don't though, I just search as far as I am willing to go!! I have found 3 of my 5 Pintos that way!!!!

I am sure glad I read this though!! I was going to PnP today, have the tools packed and in the car!!! I'll go unpack the tools!!!


Keep looking there is one out there with your name on it!!!  ;D  Heck, I'm always on the computer, give me the city you live in and I'll help you look!!!!  ;D ;D

Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Carolina Boy

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
This is my update on the new pinto I bought.
I got it home and fixed the little problems. It seemed to run pretty good. I drove it down to the local gas station to fill her up. On the way she started to shake a little, out of round tires? Nope, tires where coming apart. On the way home, she wouldn't go into fourth, started knocking. Just got her in the driveway when the radiator blew, steam thick as fog in California.
Back her in to her space and BOOM, CLANK, stopped running. I got out and opened the hood, oil everywhere!! I seen a puddle and looked underneath to find a piece of a rod sticking thru the side of the block. Oh well, I was going to rebuild the engine anyways. Just a small set back?

My buddy and I started pulling the engine, the motor mounts where so rusted they weren't even attached, rusted thru. When we set the engine down on the floor, we found the bellhousing cracked in half and two ears broken on the transmission itself. We stopped and had a few beers and cussed alittle. As we got back to work, the day just went from bad to worse.

Scott called a buddy of his and he came and picked up the car and took it to his shop that has a lift. The underside was patch work hell. Patches were everywhere! The rear end was welded on, YES, welded and very poorly I must add. We stripped the interior and found more patches and dead rats under the seats and rear panels. We checked for bondo and most of the car was covered with it. We pulled the front fenders and found they had more bondo and fiberglass than original metal!

I packed away about $350 of useable parts from the engine, glass and seats, complete dash. Needless to say I have been took and but good. Oh well, I will try agian and find another Pinto. There is one out there with my name on it, I hear it calling!!!!!!


Carolina Boy with his head down. :( :accident:
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

larjohnson

Carolina Boy:

Another great Pinto find.  If only that girl knew what she had and just thrown away :embarassed:.  The only problem I see is, if I bought a car for my daughter, and she said she wouldn't drive it, then I guess she'd walk :lol:.  In this case, you got a great buy, and a dandy car.  Someday I want to complete my collection with a wagon, but I'd like to buy a Cruising Wagon, or convert a regular one to a Cruising Wagon.  I'm sure you'll have a great time with it, and glad you found one.  Good Luck... Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

71HANTO

SRT: "did you christen the boat after you drained the bottle? ;D"

I decided not to try to break the bottle against the fiberglass boat (boat was cheap and thin and would have sunk ::)). Instead I needed a couple of bottles when I got back from the shakedown run of the Pinto towing a boat for the first time and first time for the boat in the water after I bought it used. I did not know what I was buying ??? and I ended up with a real SLEEPER (even fooled me when I bought it :hypno: ) This boat with the 19 pitch prop had a top end that was limited only  by my FEAR :surprised: It was a 65HP MERC (the high RPM 4 cylinder-low torque early version) on a 12FT Boston Whaler copy with a front deck added to hold the cheap junk togather. It would skip on the water like a skipping stone thrown in a pond. It spent as much or more time above the water than on the water. :hypno: :hypno: :hypno: I sold it after a couple of years when we were expecting Fastbak390. ;D
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

Srt

Quote from: 71HANTO on January 30, 2009, 08:29:36 AM
I LOVE  barn find stories...even short ones!!! A bargin at 4 times the price :drunk: AND the scarce SILVER color on top of it all ;D The 80 wagon is a great choice for a V8 swap if your smog laws allow it (not California). The stock 2.3 is a relatively HEAVY 4. First (if I could dream), I would try to find ANYTHING aluminum V8 that would fit. Now back to reality...a 302 with a 347 or 331 stroker kit, aluminum heads, aluminum intake, and the battery moved to the rear of the car. IF you are going to tub it or not (all stealth would be gone if you do), with a V8 I'd put about 100LBS of lead hidden inside the back aluminum bumper. Shocks and springs will need to be upgraded. My wife had flashbacks when she saw the front of your car up on the computer screen.  :hypno: We bought an 80 NEW. ;D


did you christen the boat after you drained the bottle? ;D
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

discolives78

Excellent find, definitely a steal! I liked the late wagons so much that I put an 80 front end on my (now gone) 78 wagon. you have to modify the headlight support slightly (with a large hammer) but other than that everything bolts up, including the bumper brackets and bumpers.


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

popbumper

Nice find and a good deal!! I had a '79 wagon years back, loved it to death, put all kinds of custom touches on it, then converted it to a cruising wagon.

Have a '76 wagon now, which I have more than 10x your money in, and it's not even driving (road legal) yet. Pitiful, but I won't let go of it. I am too driven to throw the money away and see no result from it.

Have fun!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

71pintoracer

I have heard of handling problems with a V8 Pinto sedan, would a wgon have the same problems?? ???
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The wagons are less nose heavy than the sedans, I moved as much weight as possible to the rear and changed the front springs. The car drives and handles very well, but it is definately no corner carver! As far as squirrly, lets just say that when I step on it in second gear the rear end tends to step out a bit!  :lol: But hey, talk about fun!!  :fastcar:  And a sleeper Pinto wagon? It can't get any better!  ;D
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?