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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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pintogirl

Quote from: discolives78 on January 31, 2009, 03:37:04 PM
Hey Kim!

I'm getting ready to do my timing belt so I'll take plenty of pictures, I've done it before, It's not difficult, just time consuming. I'm pretty sure Pep Boys still carries the belt. Keep your chin up.

Chuck

That would be Becky!!! LOL I'm sure she doesn't mind the name mix up though because we are Pinto buds!!!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

discolives78

Hey Kim!

I'm getting ready to do my timing belt so I'll take plenty of pictures, I've done it before, It's not difficult, just time consuming. I'm pretty sure Pep Boys still carries the belt. Keep your chin up.

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

blupinto

Update:

    This morning my mechanic neighbor (a great guy, is Jerry!) took a look at the Bronze Metalist. He gauged the fuel pump pressure (average- 5 PSI) and was kind enough to do a compression check while he was at it. The readings averaged between 120 and 135. He looked at the spark plugs and judged them alright (no oil fouling, etc.) and checked the distributor and rotor. He does think the timing belt jumped or is otherwise off-kilter. He is also concerned about the knocking he hears in the engine. He says right now it's not driveable and the reason it's stalling on inclines is because the car doesn't have enough power to climb.  Now I'm looking at timing belt (probably be a good time to replace it), battery, spark plug wires to replace for now. The belt might be fine, but I do see tiny cracks on the edge of the belt. Waaaa! I'm grounded!!!
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

Dave my fuel pump is from a Yamaha seika. runs 5psi, and is set an an auxiliary switch. not hard to wire one in.

blupinto

 ;D Thank you Dave. I'm lucky to have a Pep Boys, Car Quest, Autozone, and Kragen (owned by the same folks that own Schucks). I'll shop around. But first I'll have my mechanic neighbor do that pressure test to see if that's the issue. 
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

Yeah. The only reason I haven't gone to another supplier is because my dad purchased a replacement pump for it back in 1987 from Schucks and got the lifetime warranty on it. I can still get my fuel pump replaced free of charge because of that, and I never had enough cash to pay for a different one.

And so I leave you with, beware of Schucks, Parts America or O-Reily's reman fuel pumps!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

 :-\ Er... I know how to install a solenoid on a highway landscape sprinkler, and I know to shut off the electricity in my house if I need to replace a lamp or ceiling fan, but I'm not that knowledgeable on car electronics. After reading that thread about the electric fuel pump and relays and Hobbs switches I think I'l gonna stick to the mechanical one. I want to keep my girl as close to stock as possible. Sorry about the duds you had to replace last year.
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

I really couldn't tell you. My gut is saying to go electric, as it is less likely to go out on you since just about every replacement mechanical pump available is re manufactured and I had four of them go out on me last year.

I have everything on my car to do an electric pump conversion, all I need to do is hook up the hoses. The only reason I have not done so, is I like the originality of the mechanical pump, and I have not yet found an adjustable fuel pressure regulator which will let me go down to 3.5 PSI, and still have a return valve on it.

Converting to electric does require some electrical knowledge, as you have to wire up a relay and the safety switch to operate when the car is running, and not when the ignition is off.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Thank you both for the info. In your opinion, which is better or more beneficial- mechanical or electric (when all safety issues are met)? Come on Tax Refund!  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

They SHOULD be able too. Mine did great when climbing over the blue mountains during my trip to Spokane a couple weeks ago!

It sounds like the fuel pump is going out, to me. I would recommend checking how much pressure you are getting from the pump using a gauge. Mine delivers a healthy 7-8 PSI.

If you convert to an electric pump, be sure to read through the safety thread here, and don't use a pump any higher than 4PSI. The mechanical pump delivers fuel in "spurts", an electric pump would give a constant stream of fuel.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Since I'm quite the novice about the fuel system I'll go along with that, but most Pintos can climb a hill without incident (running Pintos that is!) right? These aren't mountain-goat grade hills.
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

Possible for the Fuel pump but its Mechanical so i dont know. as for the float issue i believe that it would do it no matter what if the float was messed up. Alternative is to add a small 6-8psi external pump to help boost volume to the mechanical pump.

blupinto

Oh when will I learn...

          I got an itchin' to fool with the Baby again and got her running. She idled well for a few minutes so I was encouraged to take her for a spin around my neighborhood. So far so good... until I turn around to go home. My turning point was a couple streets below where I live. I'm noticing a pattern here. Going down on a decline the Baby's fine. On level ground she's fine. Going up on an incline she's not fine! >:(  Could this be a float issue or a fuel pump problem? I only bog down and stall on inclines we're ascending.


           On a happier note I did find another crimpy hose that connects the air filter to the blue cannister filter.
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

 >:(Did I mention I hate thieves? >:(

      I have yet another question: Does anyone have any advice for repairing interior stuff where the threads are simply brittle? I gently but firmly tried to pull the fabrics (the headliner and the top of the back seat) but they won't stretch and I'm afraid if I force the issue (pardon the pun) I will be very sorry. Apparently the pix I took are in a mystery file. I'll post them later. Thank you.
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Thank you. I know I am fortunate to live in such a moderate climate. You folks in the ice and snow zones should move out here!  ;)

      Good news: I found some goodies at the Oceanside and Santee swap meets that'll help me work on the Pinto I have and the Mustang II I'm hopefully getting. I found an extension piece and a working ratchet for spark plug removal and a Haines Mustang II repair book for a couple bucks. Now the bad news: At the Kobey's swap meet in San Diego I somehow lost my little purse that had all kinds of important stuff in it like my drivers license, a credit card, ATM card, cell phone, nail file, AAA card, etc. I hate thieves! I couldn't go to the junkyard today like I had planned. Cards are cancelled at least.
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Looks like she is really coming along. Really nice work.. I am jeaulous of you being able to work on your car at the moment. It's just too cold & & snowy for me to work on mine.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

LOL! Good one Kim!

        Dave, I am still on the lookout for door panels and other goodies folks here are looking for. I recommend these deluxe door panels for everyone! There's a similar door panel that doesn't reach back so far. I only have the decorative piece (I got this in the early '90s too).
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on January 16, 2009, 07:43:00 PM
Well, it's time for an update:

     I tried to pull a spark plug wire off a spark plug (yes I gripped close to the plug, as opposed to pulling on the upper part of the attachment or the wire itself and the metal contact stuck on the spark plug anyway!  >:( So it looks like I'll need new wires. I couldn't get the plug off because I need the right spinner. sigh.


         The armrest is inoperable. The only chance it'll have to live is Loctite super glue. Because I don't want to rebrake it I am saving it for showtime and in the meanwhile Baby's sportin' these red-hot mamas (see pix)
It's good to have friends in high places (how do they look Pintogirl? lol.) 

       

Wow, those arm rest look awesome!! You sure are lucky to have an awesome friend like that!!! LOL  They actually don't look all that bad!!

Love the leapord print seat covers!!!!  ;D

Yep, sounds like a run to the parts store is in order. Maybe once you get new plugs and wires, your baby will run better??? Let's hope so!!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dave1987

The more I look at your door panels, the more I want a set of them in black. :(

Borg Warner Select Series of spark plug wires have treated me well. And with a 5 year warranty, the deal is even better. I got my set for $35 at Schucks (Parts America).

SEM makes a vinyl paint, which I have been using to change the color of my new center console from bright RED to BLACK. It has worked very well, surprisingly.

I have used SEM paints before on my current console to change from gray to black, but that was on plastic. The new console is solid vinyl, and I was worried about the durability of the paint. Using SEM's Vinyl Prep spray (which is like a cleaner. spray on and wipe off), it seems to be holding up VERY nicely, and I highly recommend SEM interior paints to anyone. My local auto paint supply store will color match any color you have and mix it for spray can use too. Check around with your local auto paint supply stores and see what they can do for you if you want to continue using those armrests.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Well, it's time for an update:

     I tried to pull a spark plug wire off a spark plug (yes I gripped close to the plug, as opposed to pulling on the upper part of the attachment or the wire itself and the metal contact stuck on the spark plug anyway!  >:( So it looks like I'll need new wires. I couldn't get the plug off because I need the right spinner. sigh.


         The armrest is inoperable. The only chance it'll have to live is Loctite super glue. Because I don't want to rebrake it I am saving it for showtime and in the meanwhile Baby's sportin' these red-hot mamas (see pix)
It's good to have friends in high places (how do they look Pintogirl? lol.) 

       
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

After 60 days gas goes bad. mines been in there about 7 months.... i drive on a regular basis a 1997 Dodge caravan. Until i am done with the bobcat. and this Feb the van goes to its Home, and i get a 2001 Sable for a DD. So i would recommend that you use Stabil now before you have to drain the tank. its only 4-6$ for a thing of it. Best insurance you can get for your car. too bad i learned about it 3 months after i filled the car up. =/

blupinto

 :hypno:She has a full tank of relatively fresh gas (1 month ago it was filled) and she'll be sitting for only that couple months. If it's still a good idea to get Sta-Bil I will. Thanks.
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

If you plan to leave her sit, without runnign her I would get a thing of Sta-Bil from autozone or another parts store to keep the gas good so you dont have to do what I have to do. and drain the tank out and clean it.

blupinto

 ;DI came home from work today and found a '74 Pinto pamphlet waiting for me in the mailbox. Now I know a few things about my Baby: She is in what's called the Luxury Decor Group. She is Saddle Bronze Metallic (5T) with saddle interior (BZ) and optional flipper rear quarter windows. THis is information that's been driving me crazy not having.

        While I was sitting in the Baby watching a glorious sunset tonight I made a mental list of things I can do that don't require too much brain power! :lol: I'm going to see if :

surgery can be performed onm the armrests (skeletal transplants); ???

pull all the spark plugs and check them (shoulda done that already I know); :rolleye:

check distributor (ditto on the shoulda done); :rolleye: :rolleye:

study study study the carburetor and see if I adjusted the wrong screw (probably did). :read:


Question: It'll be sitting in the driveway for a couple months without running. Is this OK? A neighbor who seems to know cars suggested I not run her til the mechanic has looked at the engine ( there's a tapping noise). I'm all for not making any problems worse.
One can never have too many Pintos!

phils toys

If you like it  keep it no one else will know..
The woodgrain one on my bobcat does not always  line up  so i have to take it off rotate it and put it on again. phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

blupinto

Oh well...  :cheesy_p: Thank you guys...
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

Dwayne got it! Sorry. :(

Merry Christmas!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

The handle part of the gas cap should be horizontal.  The cap in your photo is not correct.  Sorry.  Merry Christmas!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Well, the color is a tad off... the cap goes on and I'm able to tighten it, but what do you mean if it won't go on straight?
One can never have too many Pintos!