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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dave1987

The only way I have been able to identify stock Pinto gas caps is to put it on the car. If it doesn't go on straight after turning it all the way, then it isn't Pinto! :P

I have done this with Mustang and Ranchero gas caps at the JY to check them before I purchase and neither fit the Pinto correctly.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Oops! Forgot to get pic of new item... it's a gas cap, but I'm not sure it's a Pinto gas cap (sure looks like one!) It's even the same color as the car. Are there any identifying stamps or marks on the original Pinto gas caps? (FoMoCo, Ford in oval...?)


           Meanwhile I'll manually close the butterfly (after the car's warmed up, as at this point the butterfly is wide open) but as soon as I depress the accelerator the BF opens wide again and the car won't start. When she cools off she's ok as long as I didn't kill the battery attempting to start her.
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

the Butterfly at the top of the carb should close almost all the way, until the car starts to warm up then progressively open to allow more air.

blupinto

The poor Baby.
I've been trying to drive her around here to a) keep her battery charged and b) keep her juices flowing toi keep the seals from cracking and/or leaking. She runs ok once she's warmed up. It's later that she bogs down and stalls. I'm now convinced it's the carb or the linkage from the throttle. In warming up the engine responds with a mere tap on the accelerator pedal (in idle). The butterfly isn't closing but I don't know enough about carbs to know if that's good or not.  :read: :'(


       I got a little something for her at the swap meet Saturday. I will send pic tomorrow.
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Hey Dave!
         The plastic in the armrests actually broke. The sheetmetal is fine. Right now The Baby is sporting a powder blue one on her passenger side til I get a pair of bronze ones.
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Quote from: blupinto on December 08, 2008, 09:58:56 PM
I can look for a battery tray... The ones I've seen have been nests of dirt and pine needles.

Thanks. Whenever you get a chance, but I'm in no hurry. It doesn't even have a tranny in her at the moment.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

blupinto, what is wrong with your armrests? Is the top part not staying screwed into the door? Or is the bracket that the bolt goes into missing from the door?

On my car, the brackets tore away from the door and ripped so much sheet metal around the holes (that the brackets clip into), that I can't use brackets anymore unless they are welded into place. For the time being (until I get new doors), I am using a 1" thick piece of wood screwed to the inside of the door, and the armrest bolts screw into that. It works quite well, at least as a temporary solution.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

75bobcatv6

I have a battery tray froma 75, Not sure if its complete tho. I will get a pic and post it in another thread later on tmr.

blupinto

I can look for a battery tray... The ones I've seen have been nests of dirt and pine needles.
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

That's fine & dandy if the only thing in the tank will be rust, but unfortunately there is more than likely some regular dirt in there as well. Unfortunately the best way to clean the tank & the only way to prevent the issue is to drop the tank & clean it out. I say unfortunately, not because it's difficult to get to, but because you have a full tank.

Off topic, do you know if there were any good battery trays on the Pintos in the junkyards? Tryin to track me down a decent used one & there are no yards out here that have Pintos. Stupid rust belt lol
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on December 08, 2008, 09:14:40 PM
Don't worry about labor. It gives me an excuse to go to the wrecking yard! ::)  I forgot how fun it is to hunt for parts. The stuff you find in the process... I think I'll be going next weekend and I'll grab 'em.

         Someone at work suggested I put a speaker magnet or two on my gas tank and the metal bits in the tank will adhere to it from the inside.  Thoughts?

Cool, no hurry though. We'll pm when the time comes!!! :D


As far as the magnet, it sounds like a good idea to me, but I am no expert on gas tanks!!! LOL ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Don't worry about labor. It gives me an excuse to go to the wrecking yard! ::)  I forgot how fun it is to hunt for parts. The stuff you find in the process... I think I'll be going next weekend and I'll grab 'em.

         Someone at work suggested I put a speaker magnet or two on my gas tank and the metal bits in the tank will adhere to it from the inside.  Thoughts?
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on December 07, 2008, 08:51:01 PM
No problem...

     Sport mirrors... well why didn't you say so!?
I found a few Pintos and others with their sport mirrors intact. None were green, so if that's not an issue, then I'll be happy to grab you a pair. Will you be needing the toggle switch (remote like I have)? I can't promise I'll find that, but I know I'll find mirrors.

           

I guess I should go with the non remote style. But then again, maybe I should get a set of both styles!!! LOL  Let me know what they are going for at your wrecking yard!! I'm going to guess around 10 -15 bucks to ship. Oh, and most importantly, how much for you to do all the work!!!!! :D

Thanks!!!
Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Looks like I'll be shoppin' for more tools. Thanks for the tips. Provided it doesn't rain in the near future I'll pull the stuff off (plugs, distributor, ignition box).  I believe the wires are brand new. The distributor cap looks new too. Still, I'll investigate. Sure wish my garage was cleaned out...
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

the Fuel filters will only take care of some of the "gunk" and you will be replacing filters quite often, best bet is to get the tank down and out make sure there isn't any gas in it, and look inside and see what Rust/other stuff is loose in the tank, you can use" if there isn't a Plastic liner in the tank" B-12 Chemtool to clean it out a little, to rinse out that loose mess so its not being picked up by the pick-up tube.

As to the hesitation/misfire that could be timing but can also be lack of fuel delivery, (you stated you had to feather the pedal). If i can help i will anyway i can, as to sport mirrors I have one set and they are on the car. "if" I find the Pinto guy out here (hes got like 20 in his back yard) I will let you know if i can snag a pair from one of his parts cars.

r4pinto

Not sure what the part is but the socket you need is a 5/8" spark plug socket. The spark plug socket is a deepwell socket with a robber insert. That insert keeps the spark plug from hitting the inside of the socket, thus preventing damage to the plug. You'll want to check the gap when you pull the olugs. Look at the center electrode & firing tip. If there is any sign of wear a.k.a. rounding or errosion then you will want to replace them.

Also check your plug wires for any burn marks from arcing. Replace any that have any signs of arcing from spark flashover.

Lastly pull off the distributor cap & take a look at the inside terminals, as well as the rotor button. If there is any sign of wear or pitting on the terminals then you will want to replace them as well.

Almost forgot.. You might want to remove the ignition box from the car & have it tested. Auto Zone & Advance Auto should be able to check it & it's free.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

Sounds like a vacuum leak somewhere.

My 2.3l 78 Sedan had a similar issue, but it is a 4spd stick shift.

In my case, it would run fine when cold for about the first five minutes. Once it started to warm up though, it would idle rough and miss. In my case, it turned out to be a cracked EGR valve. I'm guessing the vibrations from the engine would rumble it loose after running for a few minutes, then the crack would widen. When I removed my EGR valve, it fell apart into two halves and the vacuum leak became very obvious. :P I have since removed the EGR valve and have a replacement one with the EGR tube set away for when emission testing time comes along. I don't have it on the car as it makes acceleration sluggish and I get better fuel economy without it! Occasionally I will put a sealed oil cap on the valve cover, instead of the vented one, to enjoy a bit more low end power (which is nice when it snows and ices over, for cookies!). ;D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

I really should be more patient. I hadn't finished...
I goofed around in the engine compartment and decided to see how she runs. I turned the key... and she started right up!!! Not only that but she didn't shake nearly as much and stayed running without me feathering the pedal. I put her in drive and she rolled on her own in idle! I couldn't believe it! I drove her in the neighborhood to test her further and soon she started hesitating again and missing. When I backed back into the driveway and put her in park her idle sounded no different than when she was in drive. Hmmmm.........


One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

No problem...

     Sport mirrors... well why didn't you say so!?
I found a few Pintos and others with their sport mirrors intact. None were green, so if that's not an issue, then I'll be happy to grab you a pair. Will you be needing the toggle switch (remote like I have)? I can't promise I'll find that, but I know I'll find mirrors.

             Now for the tank o' gas: I'm sure there's gunk in it but the choke is stuck open instead of freely opening/closing.

         I reconnected those mystery hoses (see mystery #1) and adjusted the doohickey to the right of the carb (help! My Chilton's in the garage and I don't remember what that component is called!) There's a hose attached to it that contains coolant. I wanted to pull the plugs to get a look at them but my standard plug socket is way too big. My other sockets aren't deep enough.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on December 07, 2008, 05:17:19 PM
No Kim, I am sad to say it won't. In 2006 I drove to Carlisle for the 2nd Ford Pinto meet but was towed home. The carb I rebuilt a week prior to Carlisle was filled with rust & junk. There are just too many fine particles in the tank that will get caught in the carb because they get past the filter.

Ok, well then if my new carb doesn't help, I will think about pulling the tank and having it cleaned. Good thing I know a radiator guy!!! ;D Sad thing is, I just filled her up, and without being able to really drive her, I will have to drain the tank!!!! Yuck!!

Oops, sorry blupinto, a little thread jack there!!! LOL   :D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

No Kim, I am sad to say it won't. In 2006 I drove to Carlisle for the 2nd Ford Pinto meet but was towed home. The carb I rebuilt a week prior to Carlisle was filled with rust & junk. There are just too many fine particles in the tank that will get caught in the carb because they get past the filter.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Sorry to hear about your bad fortune heading to the "beanery" (love that word)!!! I too am kinda in the same boat, as you know. I just bought a new carb from ebay and am going to wait to get it before I do another venture out in the green machine!!!

Now I have to say, you are so lucky to find Pintos at wrecking yards!! I can't find anything up here in Northern CA. My hubby has people looking all the time now, and nothing! Well we did have a false lead that one time! I'm looking for sport mirrors if you ever find any!!! :D

Now about the tank, wouldn't a good fuel filter take care of the crap in the tank??? To some point that is??  I put a new, clear, filter on mine and my gas is looking pretty clean! Wouldn't it show gunk in the filter if there was gunk in the tank? If so, you may want to put a clear filter on to see if there is gunk in the tank!!

Good luck with her, keep us posted!!!
Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

75bobcatv6


r4pinto

Awesome tip there. Why clean out the carb if the junk in the tank will just get back in there.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

75bobcatv6

another tip would be to make sure there is no gunk in your tank, if its in the lines it can make it seem like the carb has trouble. (learned this with my old dodge ramcharger.

r4pinto

Wow!

Sounds like you had a great day at the junkyard. Nice finds. Sorry to hear of your problems with your car, but atleast she is easy to work on. Who knows it might actually need a new timing belt on her. Good thing it's easy to replace.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

Well, she did it... she crapped out on me.

I noticed she was a little "off" when she was about to go into 2nd gear. Acceleration in 1st was the same, but in 2nd she lost power like she wasn't getting gas and would stall on the roll. She couldn't make the mile to the beanery. AAA to the rescue! The driver was knowledgeable about Pintos (he had a '76- his favorite car) and currently has a '73 he just acquired) and told me it's the carburetor and its components, plus timing. He gave me pointers on how to do some minor adjustments, but it needs more than that. WE did go to get gas, but she only accepted 2 gallons, so I don't think it's an empty-tank issue.

          While waiting for help to arrive a kind older Hispanic gentleman told me of his three Pintos and how good they were.


         On a better note, I did go junkyard shopping and found a "woodgrain" shift bezel, a steering wheel horn piece just like mine (except it's missing the "woodgrain" trim sticker), the piece that connects the crimpy hose from the air cleaner to the air filter, another rearview mirror with less blemished glass, and a couple pop-out window gromets (?) from a '73 station wagon (a beauty! If money was no object...) So while the Baby doesn't run right, at least she has some "new" stuff!
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

As a matter of fact I do have a Maverick emblem or two.  I might even be able to wrestle up an interior steerhead door emblem too if you wanted one. Back in the early '90s  when our beloved cars were plentiful in the wrecking yards I was grabbing emblems left and right.

          Thank you for the pre-heater duct info as well as the info on the plug and steering wheel. I guess I'll connect the two things and we'll see what happens (hides her eyes). :lost:
One can never have too many Pintos!

phils toys

The orange hose can be  picked up at most parts stores  I believe it is called a pre heater  duct   replacements are silver and  cost about $5  maybe less  it was 3 yrs ago i bought mine.  The plug is a mystery as mine has the same thing and  i have not figured it out yet. The  2 pieces  if i see them correctly (the hoses)  yes they do connect it is part of the heating  cooling   they  go from the heater core to the manifold to help warm up the  carb a car with   factory ac  has a "H" pipe there.
The steering wheel  according to my  parts book  is a very common one used on many  fords,mercurys  in the 70's  the difference is the horn pad  and yes it  very well could be leather on your wheel  that was a factory  option  in a few years.
Maverick parts  i would like   emblem( for a cork board in my garage i have a pinto, bobcat , mustang, ford and mercury emblems on it now) and an original gas cap  with a maverick  symbol or script. mine was changed to a mustang cap. i will need more  but start small  if by chance you find a tan interior   i need alot more.
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

blupinto

Thank you Dave. I'm not sure that's the original carburetor or not, and so far I don't see anyplace where that plug should go. I haven't had an old (20+ year old) car in 15-16 years. Wait I did have the Maverick. I don't really count that because I wasn't able to get her registered (she's gotta run to be smogged, right!?) and thus she wasn't enjoyed to her full potential. In fact I resented her long after I sold her to someone who thought they could get her running. Even they threw in the towel. I had a miserable low-paying job so I couldn't afford a proper mechanic to look at her. She was nice otherwise...

       Wait.....Did i hijack my own thread!?!


   It would be nice if that intake piece was intact, but I'm glad that's not the reason it runs so roughly.  As long as it won't be detrimental to the ol' engine. Thank you for easing my mind. That (that hose) will be on the Santa list too. 
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