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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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r4pinto

You could always do what I am gonna do with my 77... I installed an am/fm 8 track & have two adapters for it... an 8 track to cassette adapter, and the cassette adapter for the ipod. Talk aout your time travels... from the 8 track era to the digital age lol.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

Thanks so much! I believe I have some ELO on the ipod. Strange Magic coming out of the speakers... Well, spring isn't that far away... pencil me in!
One can never have too many Pintos!

78squirewagon

Quote from: blupinto on December 02, 2008, 09:59:50 PM
Thank you Dave, I'm good.

            I've only had one 8-track in my life, Gordon Lightfoot's Summertime Dream. It's long gone, who knows where... 78squire may want it, though.  I would at least like to have a tape deck so I can plug the ipod in.

There's nothing like driving around on a summer day listening to ELO on the 8-track  ;D   Or having a dad show his children what was "top of the line" was back in the day.
If my Bobcat wasnt totally wrapped up for the winter, I would pull the cassette deck and send it to you. discolives has one headed his way but I am not sure if it works.
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

blupinto

...but first I gotta replace some shocks...
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Thank you Dave, I'm good.

            I've only had one 8-track in my life, Gordon Lightfoot's Summertime Dream. It's long gone, who knows where... 78squire may want it, though.  I would at least like to have a tape deck so I can plug the ipod in.
One can never have too many Pintos!

78squirewagon

Quote from: dave1987 on December 01, 2008, 11:43:03 PM
I could always grab the AM/FM/8-track that is sitting in the Bobcat I'm parting out if you like. ;)

Not to hijack the thread but I will take it if you are interested in selling.

I am gald I am "normal" when it comes to hearing the music in my head when I am driving sometimes LOL!!!!

Keep up the good work
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

dave1987

I could always grab the AM/FM/8-track that is sitting in the Bobcat I'm parting out if you like. ;)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Mine is a previous-owner-radio delete! lol. I'll have to hook up the ol' AM to listen to those happenin' tunes.....not.  Seriously, I'll be getting an AM-FM cassette (at least) so I can pop in the ipod and play period tunes. Great for a cruise night or old car show and I'll be dressed in '74 duds (and hopefully be heaps slimmer!) .
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

Hey - I'm glad to learn I'm not the only one who "plays music in my head".  It sure makes living with the radio delete package in my Pinto a lot more bearable! :lol:
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

It would help if I had a radio! lol. I just play music in my head (maybe I'm not supposed to admit that... ) She does have a hard time starting every time but she's a trooper. Sadly I didn't get to play with her afterwards. The garage (or my crap storage building) made its siren call to me- then proceeded to dominate my day! Love those lattes! I had to actually stop and make myself go to the store as planned earlier. I have optimism for tomorrow.
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Quote from: blupinto on November 30, 2008, 11:14:05 AM
I took the baby to the local beanery this morning (okay, Starbucks!) and she wasn't as cantankerous as last spin. I did give her a lengthy warm-up session.  This is good. However, I hear rattling on the right rear that I don't think is the floppy window. Hmmm....

You can always do what I do... turn up the radio lmao.. Glad she ran better today. It almost sounds like an issue with the choke if it ran better after a lengthy warming up.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on November 30, 2008, 11:14:05 AM
I took the baby to the local beanery this morning (okay, Starbucks!) and she wasn't as cantankerous as last spin. I did give her a lengthy warm-up session.  This is good. However, I hear rattling on the right rear that I don't think is the floppy window. Hmmm....

LOL "Beanery"  That is just to funny!!!! My hubby is looking at me strange because I just busted up lauging!!! LOL

I'm glad your trip was a better one then the last! I have to say, I am not adventurous as you, LOL! I am going to change my fuel filter before my next great adventure out, and at that, I will stay in the neighbor hood till I know she will get up to speed in a timely manner!!! LOL

I am really enjoying reading you trials and tripualatoins (ok I made that word up LOL), because I feel like I have someone to relate too with my own!!! It's neat to have another woman doing the Pinto thing!!!  It's kinda like girl gossip, "so, what happened with your baby today?" , but the baby is a Pinto!!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

I took the baby to the local beanery this morning (okay, Starbucks!) and she wasn't as cantankerous as last spin. I did give her a lengthy warm-up session.  This is good. However, I hear rattling on the right rear that I don't think is the floppy window. Hmmm....
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

I guess I don't know how to use the fonts. Sorry if it looked like I was "yelling" or being sarcastic. I'll just stick to this font from now on...
Anyway, the seatbelt buzzer had been good until this last drive, and the baby just really didn't feel like going out that day. I swear I feel unharnessed power in her, but something's not quite right... then when the buzzer came on for no reason and I got that smell, I thought she wasn't going to make it down the street. She did, but it was a struggle. I wouldn't be surprised if her timing was a tad off. Where's that mechanic...
One can never have too many Pintos!

beegle55

The Fasten Seatbelt light is something dear to my heart lol. Everytime your car shuts off and needs restarted or you turn the key on the buzzer and fasten seatbelt light will come on. My '78 drag car still illuminates the fasten seatbelt light each time its started which makes me laugh because the Pinto sure loves the 500 HP under the hood and wants me to be safe =P Good luck with your Pinto.

    -beegle55
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Fred Morgan

blupinto thanks for info..  Fred   :)
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blupinto

It's ok Kim threadjack away!

           I guess great cars think alike! LOL Mine, too, is in no hurry to get going. On one hand I feel bad for the folks behind me (Hello! you just pulled up behind a little old car. Get a clue!!  She won't burn rubber on her best days so get in the left-hand lane and stop sniveling!) Oh, did I just say that!? Well, maybe I don't feel toobad for the folks too in a hurry to see a classic in action!   

I did read your threads and have to conclude that my earlier comment on great cars thinking alike sticks. I have windshield weatherstripping/ rubber issues too. The BF of the great lady who sold me this car put- no, SLATHERED- silicone all over the outside of the windshield. The chromey trim around it is covered in the stuff. Heres the kicker- IT STILL LEAKS!!! Aaaaaaahhhhh! (sploosh- the sound of my head exploding). The inside rubber has wide expanses where it cracked in places. I don't look forward to taking the windshield out, though. And I would kinda hate to remove that rubber anyway- it's part of the old Pinto's charm.

Note to Fred: There's a '72 droolingly beautiful powder-blue automatic listed on ebay with $800 starting bid- and it's in Diego.  This car was on craigslist and the owner was asking first $3,000, then relisted for $2,000 obo. I contacted them before I found the copper queen and got no reply. I didn't have nearly $2,000 but thought I'd give it a try. Also, on craigslist in Mira Loma there's a silver-and-maroon '80 Pinto going for $1500. I don't know if it runs but the tires aren't flat.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

I am sorry your journey to Wally World didn't go to well. It looks like we are in the same boat though. I guess you can say us girls stick together!! LOL  I too took my Pinto out for the first time (on to main streets) to go to the gas station. It started out ok, but about the time I got to the main street and had to step on it to get out in traffic, the car decided it didn't want to go very fast!! I will tell my story in my project thread, so read about it there!! Don't want to threadjack yours to much!! LOL  I will say, I too made it there and back, so she didn't leave me stranded, just took her time coming and going!!! LOL

Hope you find those little kinks causing your problems!!! Keep us informed on what may have caused your problems!!!!

Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

I'll keep you in mind, Fred! Enjoy Sandy Eggo! It's America's Finest City (and my birthplace!) LOL .

Pintogirl, you are so on my wavelength! I've already bragged to my co-workers that there will be a beautiful vintage sub-compact invading the parking lot soon. I' too, can't wait!!!


One of the great joys of old car ownership for us who are relatively new to old car ownership is discovering things you might not know existed. Today I discovered that the backseat area interior pseudo-wood side paneling has an ashtray on the right side, but not on the left.

Now for the not-so-good news: I took my copper queen a mile to WallyWorld to get some essentials and the baby kept stalling at stops and her Fasten Seat Belts light (?!) buzzed in spite of my seat belt AND the passenger side belt being fastened. Also there was a smell (reminiscent of, well, like butter pecan or something like that) but the odor wasn't constant. Also I heard sone clicking noise right near the firewall. She made it to the store and back, but now I'm a little worried.

I'll be talking to my mechanic soon.

One can never have too many Pintos!

Fred Morgan

Blupinto sure, I will be in Sandy Eggo area 2PM on 12-12-08. Thanks Fred   :)
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pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on November 26, 2008, 07:56:07 PM
I drove the baby about nine miles today. She did me so proud! She has a full tank of gas and a bottle of lead additive. She still runs rough but she kept up with traffic on the 76 "expressway".  She stalled only right after I pulled in to the parking space at my friend's vintage clothing shop. It's raining off and on here in Oceanside but the car's lights and wipers all work. This is her longest trip with me at the helm.

That is so cool!!  Sounds like you had a good time with you baby!!! I can't wait to do my first 9 or more!! LOL I have only driven around the neighbor hood! I am looking forward to the day I can drive mine to work!!! It will be the oldest car in the lot!!! LOL

Congrats on a successful journey!!! :)
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

I drove the baby about nine miles today. She did me so proud! She has a full tank of gas and a bottle of lead additive. She still runs rough but she kept up with traffic on the 76 "expressway".  She stalled only right after I pulled in to the parking space at my friend's vintage clothing shop. It's raining off and on here in Oceanside but the car's lights and wipers all work. This is her longest trip with me at the helm.
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Hi Fred,

               Are you referring to the one at the junkyard, I'm afraid it's already gone as of last week. Sorry. I don't know if they were going to sell the whole car- it was at Ecology Auto Wrecking.

             Now...if I should come across a Pinto in my travels, would you like a heads-up?


         
One can never have too many Pintos!

Fred Morgan

Blupinto did you happen to get a price on the powder blue car in Oceanside.  Fred   :)
Fred Morgan- Missing from us...
January 20th 1951-January 6th 2014

Beloved PCCA Parts Supplier and Friend to many.
Post your well wishes,
http://www.fordpinto.com/in-memory-of-our-fallen-pinto-heros/fred-morgan-23434/

blupinto

YIKES!!! Eight hours per rim!?!

           That's ok.  The baby's well worth it. She'll look so good in them... I think the pitting is minimal, which is good... I'm in the process of tearing my garage (and, coming soon...attic!) apart looking for the pinto center caps I know I have. I have a set of four red ones with the frolicking filly and I have a set with our filly with a black backing (these centers are smaller than the rebacked ones) . Now if I can locate the friggin' things... Well, at least the garage is cleaner... :cheesy_n:
One can never have too many Pintos!

phils toys

Nice find on the parts
Yes the  rims can be polished  as long as there is no pitting  but it is a lot of work   I saw a set that  Had been  cleaned to a mirror finish and the person  told me It was about  8 hrs  per rim to get them that  nice. I  did not ask  what  they used to  clean them  with unfortunately.
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blupinto

Today was baby's day.

          One great way to know yopur car's paint job intimately is to rub Turtle Wax on her. There's real horses that don't get so thorough a rubdown! LOL.  What I discovered were places where the paint is flaking off to bare sheet metal (groan) and little rust bubbles under the paint in a key locale or two. The good news is, she's waxed to the max. The bad news is, she'll need a paint job in the not-too-distant future. I did change out the shifter bezel to a '72 metal one (old one is a badly-cracked woodgrain one in plastic) and switched out the original '74 window cranks with  '72 s (which, to me, look better than the '74 cranks). I'll play more tomorrow...
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Thank you Dave. I'm gonna try that out as soon as I have a few minutes to play with her. Sunday, probably.
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

It is a really tight fit, but you have to pivot the glass to one side with your hand while sticking a narrow (but not to small of a head) Philips screwdriver behind the glass. Once done, the glass should pull away from the housing with the cables still attached to the back of it. Once there, you can do the lubricating. Getting it back together is the reverse procedure, but also a bit more tedious while trying to keep the mirror centered (the cables pull it out of position while tightening the screws).

If the toggle moves really freely without any affect to the mirror, you might have a broken cable. There are three in all which lead from the toggle to the glass.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

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Thank you for the pointer Dave.

               The toggle itself moves freely but the mirror doesn't. What's the best method of getting to those pivoting parts?
One can never have too many Pintos!